Posted on 01/05/2015 6:34:13 PM PST by marktwain
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A common claim of disarmists on the Internet is that guns in society increase violence and death. Sometimes the disarmists go to the trouble of citing a "study" that claims that where there are more guns, there are more deaths with guns. That is false logic. The same claim can be made for hospitals. No one wants people to die in hospitals. We can eliminate all hospital deaths by banning hospitals. Of course, the overall number of preventable deaths will then increase. The same logic applies to automobiles.
In societies with small numbers of automobiles, the number of deaths associated with automobiles is smaller than in the United. States. For example, the number of deaths associated with automobiles in the Palestine territories is about one fourth of that in the United States, per 100,000 population. Disarmists ignore positive uses of guns.
Nearly everyone who considers it understands that the death of a person who is attempting rape and murder is preferable to the death of their victims. Justified homicides are by definition preferable to unjustifiable homicides. Rapes, murders and robberies prevented are preferable to rapes, murders, and robberies committed.
It is not the number of deaths by a particular instrument that is important, but the overall unjustified homicide rate. A higher rate of legal gun ownership might mean a higher or a lower rate of unjustified homicide. Guns can prevent crime as well as facilitate it.
Here are citations of studies showing that the number of guns in a society does not correlate to higher crime or suicide rates, or has a positive effect.
Kates and Mauser: Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy 2007
John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (interview) Book, Third edition, 2010.
Other refereed empirical academic studies besides the original paper with David Mustard that have supported Lott's conclusions include the following.
Health advocates see no problem reconciling such an openly political agenda with the demands of scholarship. After all, guns are hateful things for which no decent purpose is imaginable, certainly not self-defense.[12] Society's need to radically reduce gun availability is an inarguable truth to which there can be no legitimate opposition. Arrayed against the beneficent alliance of health advocates and anti-gun political advocates are only sinister "powerful lobbies that impede constructive exploration of the full range of social options"[13] by nefarious (p.518)machinations, including racist propaganda cunningly designed to exploit white Americans' irrational fears of crime.[14]
In comparison, here is the description of the result of criminological studies into gun control:The outward forms of scholarship must be observed, but the academic ideal of scholarly detachment is inapplicable. This is a struggle between modern enlightenment and, at best, morally obtuse and intellectually benighted atavism. There is no time for arid, academic discussion; the need for gun control is too urgent to require--or allow--equivocation, doubt, debate, or dissent.[15]The continued advocacy of long-overdue gun control is a constructive long-term approach to [reducing violence]. We reason that the time has come for government and citizens to begin a reasoned dialogue on the "why not" of gun ownership. If the conduct of youth [sic] and the need for harmony of humans with Nature is valuable to health and civilization, the world's most powerful country may not find justification for an armed citizenry.[16]Moreover, there is no point to discussion, detached reflection, or dissent in a struggle between the forces of light and darkness. Evidence or perspectives that (p.519)might induce skepticism or produce delay are per se invalid inventions of the Neanderthal racist gun lovers.[17]
Scholars engaged in serious criminological research into "gun control" have found themselves forced, often very reluctantly,[42] into four largely negative propositions. First, there is no persuasive evidence that gun ownership causes ordinary, responsible, law abiding adults to murder or engage in any other criminal behavior--though guns can facilitate crime by those who were independently inclined toward it. Second, the value of firearms in defending victims has been greatly underestimated. Third, gun controls are innately very difficult to enforce.[43](p.527)It is a long article, well footnoted, and it clearly shows how politicized and emotional the "health literature" studies have been. If you are only going to read one article, and dig into it, I suggest the "Guns and Public Health" article quoted above.
Dang! I have guns because I thought they would do harm! Now I need to find another way to hurt bad guys.
Only thing I can think of at this hour would be a crossbow. Pick a slightly inelastic material to increase terminal velocity at the projectile.
Damn, my Glock just moved a bit, I’m going to disassemble it...just...in...case...
Silly headline. Of course guns do some harm. Some people accidently shoot themselves or others. Some people commit murder with guns.
I understand that’s not what the article is about, but it’s still a silly headline.
More young and unemployed black males + more guns = more deaths
The gun didn’t cause the harm. The person that pulled the trigger caused the harm.
More people die at the same time and at the same place in jetliners than in school massacres.
We can eliminate all jetliner deaths by banning jetliners.
The headline could have been improved by the addition of the word ‘net’: ‘Guns do no net harm or have some benefit’. I think that was what was intended. That allows accidents and crimes, but offsets them with crimes prevented or criminals detained or killed.
Bookmarked. BTT
Checked several of mine and found rounds hiding in all the chambers...
We could eliminate most school shootings by eliminating government schools.
The mass government schools that we have today are a fairly recent phenomena, only about in the last hundred years have they become the norm.
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