Yes, birthers, Ted Cruz IS a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

Lone Star Conservative ^ | Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 10:30 AM | Josh Painter

[Marcella]

There is a question whether Obama gave up his American citizenship as he enrolled in a US college as a foreign student.

You are exactly right it matters not about him. Perhaps in future years we will find out who he really is.

[DiogenesLamp]

Obama’s mother’s age at his birth is only relevant IF he was born outside of the United States. There is no age requirement to establish Citizenship at Birth for the mother of a person born in the United States.

But it is relevant because we haven't been presented with any actual proof that he was really born INSIDE the United States. As You will no deliberately fail to tell anyone, Hawaii gives birth certificates to the children of Hawaiian citizens regardless of where they are born.

It is an unusual law, and nobody expects such a thing when discussing birth certificates. Liberals have managed to keep the public from knowing about this, and have fooled most people into thinking that a birth certificate from Hawaii = birth in the country. No, it doesn't.

And of course you come along and do everything you can to promote confusion, and to further this false affirmation of citizenship for Obama.

[DiogenesLamp]

The German newspaper “Die Zeit” is highlighting the mysterious early years of Vladimir Putin, thanks to a Chechen man who resurfaced in Western Europe after years of hiding. According to testimonies the man recorded from Vera Putina, the woman who claims to be the president’s biological mother, Putin was born out of wedlock and sent to live with distant relatives he would eventually claim as his real parents as a child. The Chechen, “Rustam Daudov,” says Putin didn’t know Russian, so his new birth certificate made him two years younger so he could repeat a grade. Federal agents allegedly removed all traces of him from his real home village in Georgia, but one photo allegedly remains of young Putin, though there’s no proof that it’s him.Rumors about his true origins have plagued Putin for years. Notably, journalists have failed to find anyone who knew Putin as a young boy in St. Petersburg; most accounts of his childhood start after the age of 8. Officially released photos that imply the child in them is Putin are often uncaptioned; one showing a young child on his mother’s lap may in fact show Putin’s older brother.

OMG! It's a WORLD WIDE CONSPIRACY! Must be the Rothschilds behind it or something. :)

[Nero Germanicus]

A reason that I see to keep talking about it is to prepare for the inevitable lawsuits that are to come. More than 200 lawsuits were filed challenging Obama’s eligibility. Preparations are already underway among the hardest of the hard core “birthers” to challenge Senator Cruz and Senator Rubio (and others like Rick Santorum’s Italian immigrant father and Rick’s dual Italian-U.S.citizenship at birth).
One of the early Obama eligibility challengers was Commander Charles Kirchner [USN Ret.]. Kirchner v Obama went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. Kirchner is going after all candidates not born in the US to two born in the USA parents.
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/100-proof-rick-santorum-not-a-natural-born-citizen-father-naturalized-3-yrs-after-rick-was-born-foia-response-re-aldo-santorum/

[Nero Germanicus]

However Kapi’olani Hospital is a place to be born that is within the state of Hawaii.
Anyone challenging Barack Obama’s birth there is going to have to prove a birth somewhere else. Over the last seven years, no one has been able to do that.
And as state officials have said, Hawaii will issue a birth certificate saying that a person was born in Kenya or Indonesia, it will not issue a birth certificate showing that a person born in Kenya or Indonesia was born in Hawaii.

[DiogenesLamp]

What the Act actually said was that if your father had never been RESIDENT in the U.S., a child born beyond the sea could not be considered as a natural born citizen.

And what sort of Person would have "never been RESIDENT"? A Foreigner, That's who.

The act was meant to interdict the Children of Citizens who had American citizenship but never lived in the country from passing on citizenship. As a matter of fact, I believe that is exactly what it says in the congressional record regarding that act.

If someone possessing American Citizenship, but who had never been RESIDENT could not pass on citizenship, by what argument could you claim that a foreign man could do so?

Bear in mind, that by English Common law, (your favorite legal authority when discussing this issue) *ONLY* the Fathers could pass on Citizenship if the child was born in a Foreign land.

[DiogenesLamp]

A reason that I see to keep talking about it is to prepare for the inevitable lawsuits that are to come. More than 200 lawsuits were filed challenging Obama’s eligibility. Preparations are already underway among the hardest of the hard core “birthers” to challenge Senator Cruz and Senator Rubio (and others like Rick Santorum’s Italian immigrant father and Rick’s dual Italian-U.S.citizenship at birth). One of the early Obama eligibility challengers was Commander Charles Kirchner [USN Ret.]. Kirchner v Obama went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. Kirchner is going after all candidates not born in the US to two born in the USA parents.

Something tells me they will have more luck in the courts attacking Cruz than they did attacking Obama.

[sten]

problem is... the left understands TCruz isn’t eligible and they’re hoping he gets the nomination. they will then contest his NBC status, pointing to not being born on the soil (thereby not addressing the 2 parent question... leaving 0bama untouched).

which will result in the right scrambling for a candidate going into the election. whoever is chosen, he won’t have the momentum and the base will be disillusioned. this will allow the dem candidate (which i believe will be EWarren) to win without much opposition.

if TCruz wants to run, he needs to address the issue early and get the SCOTUS to rule on the question before it’s too late

[Political Junkie Too]

Kirchner is going after all candidates not born in the US to two born in the USA parents.

I read your link and am offering you the opportunity to amend your statement.

I see where he is questioning the timing of foreign-born parents acquiring their citizenship prior to birthing a presidential candidate, but I do not see where it is his mission that only USA-Born citizens can birth presidential candidates.

Can you point me to the source of your above claim, or be more precise in your claim?

-PJ

[DiogenesLamp]

However Kapi’olani Hospital is a place to be born that is within the state of Hawaii. Anyone challenging Barack Obama’s birth there is going to have to prove a birth somewhere else. Over the last seven years, no one has been able to do that.

Well see here, this is where all the "brilliant legal minds" have it backwards. Constitutional law is supreme, and article II puts conditions on the Presidency, that if not met preclude someone from holding the office, and therefore ought to preclude them for entering the contest for it. These conditions trump state law.

The Constitution lays the groundwork such that the appellant need prove his legitimacy, not the other way around. But since our legal system and State governments are full of ignorant cowards, nobody would act upon the obvious requirements of the Constitution.

In fact, some state election officials tried and succeeded in arguing (I told you the courts are full of stupid people) that they cannot be compelled to enforce the law, but they also successfully asserted that they can enforce the law when they want to. (Roger Caballero.)

And as state officials have said, Hawaii will issue a birth certificate saying that a person was born in Kenya or Indonesia, it will not issue a birth certificate showing that a person born in Kenya or Indonesia was born in Hawaii. They can assert this claim, but we do not know if it is true. This doesn't even address the issue of what they put on the document when the Mother (or Grandmother) tells them something for which they have no actual proof.

Suppose someone is born in Canada, but the Mother (or Grandmother) tells Hawaiian officials that they were born "at home, in Hawaii".

What do Hawaiian officials put on the document? They will put down that the child was born in "Hawaii." Do not doubt it.

We have no proof that Hawaiian officials (or indeed the officials from any state) will tell the truth about a birth certificate, especially as regards an adopted child. As a matter of fact, we know they will absolutely not tell us the truth regarding an Adopted child.

[Nero Germanicus]

Perhaps. Born in Canada is definitely different from born in Hawaii. Time will tell.

[DiogenesLamp]

which will result in the right scrambling for a candidate going into the election. whoever is chosen, he won’t have the momentum and the base will be disillusioned. this will allow the dem candidate (which i believe will be EWarren) to win without much opposition.

This is what I worry about too. It would be very bad for us if we nominate him, and they immediately start filing lawsuits.

Not only will this introduce doubt into the public mind, there is a possibility that he will in fact lose such cases. The Case of Rogers v Bellei argues the possibility of a serious threat.

Not everyone has such a warped understanding of cause and effect as does Nero Germanicus, and I wouldn't count his odds as good if he encounters any rational members of the Judiciary. Fortunately for him, there aren't that many, so maybe he has a chance.

[DiogenesLamp]

Perhaps. Born in Canada is definitely different from born in Hawaii. Time will tell.

I do not reject the possibility that he was actually born in Hawaii, I just reject the assertion that it has been proven to the necessary degree which should be required.

One does not play hanky panky games with something as mundane as a birth certificate unless someone has something to hide.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Unfortunately, we will never really say goodbye to birthers. They will not be satisfied by any argument however logical. In fact, they will twist any evidence you present to be proof that they are correct.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Naturalized citizens are eligible to be President of the United States.

Um, no.

[Crusher138]

As it has been explained to me by a conservative history professor, while the initial intent may have been different, subsequent court decisions have defined “natural born citizen” as to mean an American citizen at the time of birth. In other words, not naturalized later.

[Nero Germanicus]

How do you propose that it be proved to a greater degree?

Consider the possibility that “playing hanky-panky” was a political strategy designed to galvinize support from the liberal base and to demonize one’s opposition as racist without ever needing to use the term. Who are the other constituency groups that have their citizenship status questioned? Its Latinos and Asians. Obama got 73% of the Asian American vote and 71% of the Latino vote. Together that was 15% of the electorate and coupled with the black vote, 28% of the electorate.

“Take what your opposition considers to be your weakness and make it your strength.” — Saul Alinsky, Rules For Radicals

[Nero Germanicus]

What part of KAPI’OLANI HOSPITAL with attending physician David A Sinclair signing for the hospital don’t you understand?

[Nero Germanicus]

Yeah, I totally understand where you are coming from. Commander Kirchner says “two citizen parents” in all his writings yet he is challenging candidates whose parents are naturalized citizens, such as Ted Cruz’s father and Governors Jindal of Louisiana and Haley of South Carolina.

[Nero Germanicus]

Barack Obama’s father was a resident on a student visa but still a foreigner.