3 Things You Need to Know About Killing

SHTF School ^ | 6/30/15 | Selco

[Marcella]

“Imho, no one can know how they will respond until it actually happens.”

No. A person who has not experienced the bad guy(s) coming after him/her, must consider such and understand completely that it is life or death. LIFE OR DEATH. If someone breaks into your house, that person will kill you and you have to kill first, don't hesitate. Say that over and over until you know for damn sure, you have to kill that person(s). You don't want to have that conversation with yourself with the bad guy(s) already there.

Have several ways to kill. That means have a loaded weapon easy to get to. Consider where a person is likely to get in, and be ready to get to that place with a loaded weapon already with you. Forget having a gun locked in a gun cabinet and the cartridges up in the attic. You have no weapon if you do that except for using your gun as a club - in other words, you are dead.

Place heavy duty mace guns where you can reach them and one place is close to the front door. The mace guns I have shoot a far distance and have a red laser to direct the spray. The spray in these guns stick wherever they hit. These guns are not your first line of defense, a regular loaded gun is, but have them for backup.

Get self defense bats and put one near each outside door. These bats are sold on Amazon, mine are called Brooklyn Smasher. They are made by Cold Steel. They are long and heavily weighted. If you hit a head with this bat, the skull will be crushed for sure. These are not for playing ball and keep them away from children - do not let them play with these defense bats as they are dangerous.

Place sharp long knives where you can reach them in a hurry. The longer the better - you don't want the bad guy to get to your body - keep him as far away as you can. Don't attack a person with the knife up in the air to slash downward - that is easily deflected by the bad guy. Swing the knife from below and into the body.

There are other ways to defend yourself up close and personal, but don't let it get to that.

Mentally practice over and over and over. If “x” happened, you would do a, b, c, d. But if “xx” happened, you would do a, b, c, d. Keep thinking of situations and go over and over what you would do. You can physically go through your house and imagine this and that happening at different places in your house, and what you would do. Practice, practice, practice.

Your mind needs to know what to do so you can act quickly. Make it a reflex action so you don't have to think through it when it is necessary to act fast, you just do it.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

I highly recommend the book “On Killing” by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. It’s a good starting point in the process.

It is available in its entirety for free at: https://archive.org/download/On_Killing/On_Killing.pdf

[Lee'sGhost]

“We have all seen a miniature poodle fight to the death against an intruder while a 200lb mastiff will coear in fear.”

Actually, I’ve never seen that.

[archy]

Be careful, you may start enjoying it..

I've never really enjoyed it, but sometimes I do like to watch the arms and legs fly off.

[former tank gunner, 1966- 2014]

[trisham]

Excellent advice, Marcella. I’m going to look into the mace guns and defence bats today. I don’t think that it’s possible to have too many options in self defence.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I always like to think should the scenario arise I would kill without compunction. And in certain circumstances I surely would.

What always has me shaking my head is when they show someone killing another person for (ostensibly) the first time, the shooter always pauses...looks gaunt, goes running for a bush and supposedly pukes.

I don't get it.

[Adder]

I don’t either.

I am 99% sure I would not do that. Can’t be 100% because I have never had to face that.

I keep thinking if it was like a breakin scenario I would be more worried with getting the mess cleaned up after they cart his dead butt away.

[archy]

What always has me shaking my head is when they show someone killing another person for (ostensibly) the first time, the shooter always pauses...looks gaunt, goes running for a bush and supposedly pukes. I don't get it.

That's what the Hollywood/TVland script writers and directors would like to think would be their oh-so-civilized reaction. And if they can get some of those from flyover country to pause a bit their first time out, they count that as a plus.

Remember, the young socialists were taught early the bitter lessons of Whites versus Reds.

Whites executing members of the Red Guard in Varkaus in February 1918 (photo source: Hannula 56). Few prisoners were taken after the Whites captured Varkaus; nearly everyone was shot (Uola 252).

[archy]

There was urban myth, that one officer from the army was asked something like „Captain, these young guys that we just killed in huge numbers, there are still kids left, they do not know anything, what do we do with them?“

Officer said „ We do what we do, it is our way of life“ - See more at: 3 Things You Need to Know About Killing

Which was why the Finns, during their four-month-long Civil War of 1918, managed to kill off about 1% of their national population during that very bitter exchange....in about 120 days. By comparison, during the four years of the also very contentious and brutal United States Civil War of 1861-1864, managed to kill off around 2.5% of the population...in four years

One reason: the Finns, knowing they had to introduce an entire generation of young soldiers to the realities of their new trade, oft times put the new trainees to work bayonetting the enemy prisoners, particularly the wounded not worth the waste of a perfectly good rifle cartridge. And a generation later, those once-yung lads became the sergeants and lieutenants who led Finland's citizen-soldiers when a million and a half Soviet troops invaded Finland in 1939....and left, about four months later, having suffered better than 800,000 casualties.

In case you ever wondered why the gun control goons have been so concerned about bayonet lugs being present on *assault weapons* in the hands of American shooters and veterans, that's why.

Note in the photo below from Finland's 1918 war that the four barely-teenagers are wearing not Finnish military decorations, but the German Iron Cross, likely marking them as being in service with the German 27 Jaegers assisting and training the Finns. I do not expect the boys earned those decorations for careful penmanship or getting their library books back on time.

[archy]

I always think of the scene where the Translator/Clerk freeze during combat and stands frozen in fear on the stairs while a fellow solider fights for his life and loose it. The thought of condemning him for his cowardice flack in my thoughs, but it was quickly replaced with the thought would I do better? I hope and pray that I would, but I will not know until I face the test. ... .

I turn away from that scene each time, furious about what occurred due to cowardice. But I also understand, being a veteran, that each reacts differently under stress. You must know your people to operate effectively.

You guys seen the Brad Pitt movie Fury, out about six months ago? Spend a couple of hours with another clerk, turned tank crewman of necessity, and another introduction into the realities of his new world.

[What's wrong with this pic?]

[archy]

Combat situations can not be prepared for.

Well, of course they can be prepared for; that's why it's called basic training. Of course not every combat situation can be anticipated, but about 95% of what happens in day-after-day-after day of routine, unending fighting is just that: routine...and if you've survived that first day, and then a couple more, of a very unforgiving school, you'll likely get along pretty well unless something really out of the ordinary happens or you get really unlucky.

And count on this: most every day, you'll see someone get really unlucky. Try to make sure it's not you.

[Marcella]

“when they show someone killing another person for (ostensibly) the first time, the shooter always pauses...looks gaunt, goes running for a bush and supposedly pukes.”

Psychological sight of blood and gore:
If a person tends to faint at the sight of blood, that's a problem. Many years ago, when my son was about six, he jumped off something in back yard and a piece of metal cut his leg open about a six inch cut and it was fairly deep as I could pull the two sides of the cut together and realize those two sides should be together. I was fine getting him to the emergency room, but when I saw the doctor begin to actually sew up his leg, I got faint and had to sit down.

After many years past, in the 1990s, I became a licensed EMT so I'm used to seeing blood and gore now. Think about red blood - what does it do? Among other things, it carries oxygen and food nutrients to cells - it's just a small river delivering goods somewhere and happens to be red. If a dam breaks (vessels/capillaries carrying blood), the red river liquid will come out of the vessel/capillary and that dam break needs to be fixed with first aid equipment. You can desensitize yourself to get over the sight of blood making you queasy, by looking at colored bloody pictures you pull up on the internet. Look at the pictures and realize that red is the color of that stream of water.

“Gore” is body parts messed up so the sight is uncomfortable to see. You can also look at gory pictures on the net to start desensitizing yourself to seeing that.

I was watching when the Boston bombs went off at the Boston Marathon. I saw a woman with both her legs blown completely off, only her truck/arms/neck and head were still there. I knew she had to be dead. I have never forgotten that sight of her body and my anger at that sight made me want to kill that guy who put that bomb there, with my bare hands - he would be so dead.

I wanted to be there, could see myself with my medical life saving bag, going through those mangled bodies and stopping the bleeding of those still alive and there were many that day. The red river in those bodies had been blown apart and appendages were off bodies. I would not have reacted to the sight of that as my job would have been to FIX IT. You don't think about what you are seeing except you have to stop the red river if that body is still alive.

So practice by looking at bloody/gory pictures on the net - you can actually watch operations on the internet. Do that and see how bodies are fixed and put back together. In your mind, see yourself doing that - fixing bodies and also in charge of keeping the red river flowing in those bodies.

[archy]

If the SHTF, my dad will die because he is a diabetic, and yes I probably could make insulin in a lab if I had to but where would I get the necessary ingredients if the SHTF?

Not necessarily.

[Squantos]

Spare bogy off a sheridan ?

[Tijeras_Slim]

That’s a temporary spare they stole off a Geo Storm in Escabosa.

[Squantos]

By gawd you may be correct....or the gut wagon in Cedar Crest !!!

[Tijeras_Slim]

I enjoyed FURY. The breakfast scene was a bit freaky... I wondered just how these guys could go back to the “world”.

[wku man]

I would not want to be the scumbag that breaks into your home, Marcella.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[wku man]

It's reversed. The bow machine gun is on the right side, and the driver's position is on the left.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[SgtHooper]

Yup, saw it and will watch it again.