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MI: Judge Upholds Open Carry rights against law-breaking School District
Gun Watch ^ | 12 August, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/13/2015 3:24:42 AM PDT by marktwain


Michigan allows people with concealed carry permits to carry guns in schools, with a twist; the guns have to be openly carried in the school.  Michigan preemption law prevents local units of government from enacting a patchwork or local, contradictory laws, many of which violate basic Second Amendment rights.  MCL 123.1101(a) and MCL 123.1102 preempt local units of government from regulating firearms.

School Districts are local units of government.  In Michigan, a number of school districts are unwilling to abide by State law, and routinely violate it.  A lawsuit was filed in March.  From Michigan miopencarry.org:

As set forth in the precedent setting opinion of Capital Area District Library v. Michigan Open Carry, Inc, school Districts are barred from making rules forbidding the lawful carry of a pistol. Yet, many districts throughout the state continue to do so with illegal policies and bullying. Michigan Open Carry, Inc (MOC) has partnered with Kenneth Herman to file suit against Clio Area Schools (CAS).  Mr. Herman is a dues paying member of MOC
On Monday, the Michigan Judge ruled in favor of Kenneth Herman.  From mlive.com:
Genesee Circuit Judge Archie Hayman on Monday, Aug. 10, ruled in favor of Kenneth Herman, who filed the lawsuit March 5 in Genesee County Circuit Court against the Clio Area School District after he was denied access to Edgerton Elementary multiple times while attempting to pick up his daughter because he was open-carrying a pistol.

"The ruling today does not come as a surprise, the law is the law," Herman said after Hayman's decision. "Now that Clio Area Schools have heard the ruling, read the laws and the Court of Appeals case law has been explained to them, I they stop burning through tax dollars fighting the law and common sense."
The Clio Area School District board will continue to spend other people's money and risk other people's children, because it is a ideological issue to them.  Their current tactic is to put the school into "lockdown" whenever a legally  armed and licensed parent, who they already know is legal and safe, shows up at their school.

It makes no difference to them that people with concealed carry permits are safer than Police officers.   Their problem is that the concealed carry permit holder is not controlled by the State, as police officers are.  The School District has no problem with police officers carrying on school property, but it goes rabid with rage at the idea of a parent showing children that private citizens have the right to legally and openly carry firearms.

I predict the School District will appeal this decision.  After all, they are using other people's money.  I also predict that they will lose.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; kennethherman; mi; opencarry
A judge upholds the law against a lawless government body. This is news.
1 posted on 08/13/2015 3:24:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
This played out about how I expected.

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2 posted on 08/13/2015 3:30:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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To: cripplecreek

When the Michigan Legislature attached concealed carry to a last minute budget bill, and Governor Granholm had virtually no choice than to sign it into law, the usual “wild west” and “shootout” at every minor car accident crowd went apoplectic.

Of course, that lying scare tactic was tried in every state. It never happened.

A few years later even Governor Gramholm admitted her anti gun rights stance was wrong.


3 posted on 08/13/2015 4:23:44 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: marktwain

Just getting the law passed allowing the rightful, lawful gun owner to open carry into that school is not enough. Every official involved in restraining that right MUST be terminated and banned for LIFE from serving in any capacity at a public school in that state, including mowing the grass.


4 posted on 08/13/2015 5:00:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: marktwain

We had a chance to get an enhanced concealed carry license law that would have allowed for concealed carry in any current gun-free zone such as sports arenas, bars, theaters, and schools, but Sandy Hook made Snyder kill that bill.


5 posted on 08/13/2015 5:03:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: marktwain
Michigan allows people with concealed carry permits to carry guns in schools, with a twist; the guns have to be openly carried in the school.

Why would you need a concealed carry permit to open carry? Also, why would you need a permit in the first place, to exercise a Constitutionally protected right?

6 posted on 08/13/2015 5:17:21 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Sandy Hook made Snyder kill that bill.”

No, the old media frightened Snyder into killing the bill.

Sandy Hook was just the tool that they used to do it.


7 posted on 08/13/2015 5:20:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek; marktwain

Thanks very much for the ping; post. BUMP!


8 posted on 08/13/2015 5:52:34 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: marktwain

As I recall, Snyder was squishy on the bill anyway, because the schools wanted an opt out provision, which you know every district would have opted out. But were it not for Sandy Hook, some form of the bill would have been signed.


9 posted on 08/13/2015 6:57:43 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

I am sure that you are right. Perhaps a better bill next time.


10 posted on 08/13/2015 8:15:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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