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Self | 14 Feb 2016 | Eric Pode

Posted on 02/14/2016 1:12:30 PM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon

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To: ETL
No reasonable person denies Iraq had WMD.

Hell, they were known to have used them several times against Kurds, Iranians and Arab Shiites.

It's also probable that ISIS has at least some of them if they're still useful.

But Iran is and always has been a greater threat to US interests. We killed the wrong country.

41 posted on 02/14/2016 1:51:28 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: humblegunner

I’d be careful about that. If I were a betting man, I’d put my money on the younger humblegunner . . .


42 posted on 02/14/2016 1:53:09 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Why not go back to 2001 and warn about the actual 9/11 attacks?

Oh, right. We’re making the case for the “anointed one” here. :/


43 posted on 02/14/2016 1:53:15 PM PST by 20yearsofinternet
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
thousands of Freepers are gonna support a Presidential candidate who: thinks President Bush lied about WMD to get us into war

Pre-war quotes from "lying" House and Senate democrats...

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the 4 years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001."

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein wiill continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Hillary Clinton

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10288&position=all

John Kerry: "I agree completely with this Administration's goal of a regime change in Iraq - Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." (July 2002)

John Kerry: "I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary."

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record - Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

John Kerry on the floor of the Senate
October 2002:

"With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question:

Why?

Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up?

Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community?

Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster?

Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke?

Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits?

Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously?

Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified?

Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10171&position=all

John Kerry: "I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that--that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (October 2002)

John Kerry: "If You Don't Believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me." (January 2003)

John Kerry: Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who must be disarmed. (March 2003)

"The Joint Chiefs should provide Congress with casualty estimates for a war in Iraq as they have done in advance of every past conflict. These estimates should consider Saddam's possible use of chemical or biological weapons against our troops.

Unlike the gulf war, many experts believe Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Ted Kennedy

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10090&dbname=2002_record

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more.

We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."..."Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John Edwards

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10325&position=all

"There is no doubt that since that time Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
http://usinfo.org/wf-archive/2001/011207/epf510.htm

"We should be hell bent on getting those weapons of mass destruction, hell bent on having a credible approach to them, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing the... defanging Saddam.." -
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002
Online with Jim Lehrer - Public Broadcasting Service

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/iraq_12-10.html

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
Congressional Record - Robert Byrd

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S9874&position=all

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record –Sen. Jay Rockefeller

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
Congressional Record - Rep. Henry Waxman

MY SOURCE FOR ALL OF THESE QUOTES:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050405093734/http://www.americandaily.com/article/4694

44 posted on 02/14/2016 1:55:57 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Lazamataz

I tried to go back and kill Sarah Connor. She is one tough broad!


45 posted on 02/14/2016 1:56:33 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I'll support Trump as a second choice, and I'll get on my knees and pray we don't get fooled again.)
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To: BraveMan

I know the weak points and how they are defended.

Punk ain’t got a chance.

Well.. maybe half a chance.
Three quarters tops.

Unless he can keep it going for more than six minutes.

You depress me, shut up.


46 posted on 02/14/2016 1:56:37 PM PST by humblegunner (NOW with even more AWESOMENESS)
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To: Lazamataz

hey you


47 posted on 02/14/2016 2:01:18 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom yes I know)
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To: humblegunner

me, I’d go back and strangle the baby Muham.... and we wouldn’t be having any discussions about the religion of peace lest we were talking about St Francis of Assissi. Bam, over and done.


48 posted on 02/14/2016 2:01:59 PM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled..e.by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern - Chesterton)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

If I had a Hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this Land


49 posted on 02/14/2016 2:02:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Get the CDS and TDS Vaccines before it's too late.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I’ll go back for a date with Mary Travers, say 1963.


50 posted on 02/14/2016 2:05:01 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: PIF

In the movie The Best Years of Our Lives there is a scene where a fight breaks out between a returned WW2 GI and a customer in a drug store who tells him he wasted his time fighting in the war.

There have always been a bunch that conclude any war is a mistake.....
Even when there is such clarity as in WW!!


51 posted on 02/14/2016 2:05:35 PM PST by woofie
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To: MUDDOG

I’d buy Apple, Google and Microsoft Stock at $10 per Share.


52 posted on 02/14/2016 2:11:24 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Get the CDS and TDS Vaccines before it's too late.)
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To: ETL

A bunch of libs thought we should invade Iraq too. That’s wonderful. The bought and paid banking shills were wrong all over the place.

But hey, everybody got their slice of the $2 trillion war chest. Congrats, I guess?


53 posted on 02/14/2016 2:14:20 PM PST by 20yearsofinternet
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To: VanDeKoik

When the Russians finally pulled out trying to get Bin Laden and almost bankrupting Russia in the process, we couldn’t take the hint it was a “no go”?

The smartest thing I heard on the last debate was Kasich saying America should not participate in other country’s civil wars! That would have kept us out of a lot of costly endeavors which have caused a lot of pain to those young men and women in the military who have been killed, maimed or incapacitated.


54 posted on 02/14/2016 2:15:53 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: woofie

The Customer in that Movie thought the War was a mistake after it had ended and we had Won.

I wonder how many Germans and Japanese thought the War was Justified even after they had Lost?

I’ll bet there were plenty of both. Food for thought.


55 posted on 02/14/2016 2:17:32 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Get the CDS and TDS Vaccines before it's too late.)
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To: Parley Baer

I clearly remember posting tat Iraq would be a mess and a bigger threat within 3-5 years of the US with drawl. No matter who was Prez. Still Obama really mucked it up.


56 posted on 02/14/2016 2:20:16 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
Were I to hitch a ride in that machine, I'd invite Mr. Trump to a gathering in KS, in the mid 2000, where at a gathering for dinner, of a bunch of conservative folk, a former Iraqi Air Force general was invited to tell us all about those WMD held by Saddam Hussein. He told us that those that were small enough to hide, were easily taken care of and others were sent to Syria, along with some Russians, by car (actually limos) during the UN debate before voting to permit regime change in Iraq!

The US did straife those limos and some Russian scientists and others were hit and probably killed. There was news about the incident at the time and I believe even Russia complained about the event.

Many of us wondered why, at least, the Bush administration, didn't bring the truth out especially when so many on the left (and I guess I'd have to include Trump in the cast of all those American-hating leftists) were chanting the "Bush lied, people died," this general was safe in the US and the troops were still left to seize control from the despots in Iraq, who were tossing those who didn't agree with them, off buildings, putting their political enemies through plastic shredders, etc.

It was a mystery to me then and is today but I can only guess: that there was a decision not to declare war on Syria too and/or that what Syria had, they threatened Israel if it were exposed by the U.S.

The only people I know who hang on to conspiracy theories about the World Trade Center attack and the "Bush lied diatribe," are the most anti-Semitic and leftist loonies!

If Trump's part of that group, he's even more dangerous than we could ever imagine!

We conservatives always imagined that no one could be worse than Hillary, then we got Obama to prove us wrong.

Are some of us yet again so afraid of Hillary or Bernie, that we'd chose someone who agreed with both of them on most of our issues?

57 posted on 02/14/2016 2:26:47 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: kiltie65
The smartest thing I heard on the last debate was Kasich saying America should not participate in other country's civil wars!

KASICH: First of all - yes. First of all, look, we have to make it clear to Russia what we expect. We don't have to declare an enemy, rattle a sword or threaten, but we need to make it clear what we expect. No. 1 is we will arm the folks in Ukraine who are fighting for their freedom. They deserve it. There will be no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Secondly, an attack on NATO, trumped up on any excuse of Russian-speaking people, either in the NATO countries or in Finland or Sweden, is going to be an attack on us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/politics/transcript-of-the-republican-presidential-debate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

58 posted on 02/14/2016 2:29:46 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Covenantor

That is also on my TT list. Need something to replace Islam with and Catholicism is not the answer.


59 posted on 02/14/2016 2:32:40 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
If you had a time machine, wouldn't you go back and kill baby Hitler?   ;-)
60 posted on 02/14/2016 2:36:46 PM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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