FBI Agent Indicted in Shooting Death of Rancher LaVoy Finicum

Canada Free Press ^ | 06/28/17 | Judi McLeod

[bone52]

If not premeditated murder, how do you explain the illegal placement of the roadblock, the shots fired while the car is braking, the shots fired (by the HRT) at Lavoy’s head while he is exiting the vehicle with his hands up.

If that is bad training, then I guess OJ was just a badly trained chef!?

[Lurker]

“Right after Lon Horiuchi gets sentenced for all the murders he got away with.”

Well played.

L

[Reddy]

Wow. Never thought this would happen.

[kiryandil]

Yes, they were scared and being shot at, yes Finicum exited the vehicle probably to prevent everyone else in it from being hit, yes the snow was deep and tripped his balance...But nonetheless, nothing that happened contributed anything towards making the law enforcement less nervous.

The unidentified masked guys at the first stop got cute and tried to fire a teargas round into the open truck window.

Law enforcement started it, and is responsible for the entire chain of events.

[kiryandil]

Can you believe there’s a couple of apologists on this thread already?

[kiryandil]

Amazing, isn’t it? You can’t even squelch the FR bootlickers with a felony indictment...

[Lurker]

“Can you believe there’s a couple of apologists on this thread already?”

Sadly, I can.

L

[sport]

You know that any thread about the misdeeds of the police will bring the jackboot lickers running. They are drawn like a moth to a flame.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I certainly could be wrong on the Finicum case. I will have to study more before I make another pronouncement on something I do not have all the facts on. I still think that the Finicum and Castile cases share a common feature that it is a shame that both men are dead and neither man had a history of violence toward their fellow citizens.

[bone52]

I apologize for being a bit rough in my answer.

When I first reviewed the tape of the shooting, I thought it was a good shoot. However, as I re-reviewed the tape, read police/FBI statements, and read the medical report a very disturbing sequence of events came to light.

Shots were fired at Lavoy as he approached the roadblock. The police reported that they fired because he did not slow down. However, in the video, you can see his brake lights go on when he becomes aware of the roadblock.

Additionally, the road block was an illegal roadblock. First, there is no way that the FBI could have construed Lavoy’s action in a way that constitutionally allows use of deadly force as Lavoy said he was going to the Sheriff’s. In spite of this, the roadblock was set behind a blind curve on a winding mountain road in the winter, a position in which a driver would be unable to see the road block and stop before colliding with it. This positioning of the road block is an illegal (unconstitutional) use of deadly force.

By the time Lavoy arrived at the road block, the FBI/OSP had already illegally used deadly force twice.

As Lavoy’s truck came to a stop, he jumped out of the truck with his hands up. When he got out of the truck, with hands visible, the FBI HRT took two shots that appear (based on video from inside the cab and damage to the truck) to be aimed at Lavoy’s head. These shots, even if none of the previous actions had taken place, indicate a clear intent to illegally kill Lavoy and were an illegal use of deadly force.

I don’t know what happened in the final sequence of fired shots, and I don’t think we will ever know. There are lots of questions in my mind regarding timing of fired shots. While there may have been things that Lavoy could have done to change the outcome, based on the road block and shots already fired, I think the outcome was already set.

Here are the coordinates (put them into google maps) as best as I can tell for the approximate location of the roadblock. (so you can see the turn)

43.826987, -118.971410

[bone52]

Here is the autopsy report:

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicum%20autopsy%20report.pdf

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I appreciate your last post. And I know that you were just passionate about the subject and you were opposing my opinion and did in a way without personal attacks. So the posts were rough but very fair. And you have convinced me to look at this case further from another perspective.

[bone52]

Thank you for giving me the (undeserved) benefit of the doubt.

What started changing my perspective was viewing the interaction as whole and not just looking at the seconds before Lavoy was killed. If you only look at those last seconds when he starts getting jumpy with his hands, then it is a clean shoot.

But everything leading up to those last few seconds points, in my mind, to at least manslaughter and a big payout to Lavoy’s family. And if you subscribe to the belief that the police have (about) the same rights that we do, it seems that Lavoy’s killing was murder.