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'Not dead, just changing': What the future holds for the American mall
RetailDIVE ^ | May 3, 2017 | Lara Ewen

Posted on 08/13/2017 10:16:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 08/13/2017 10:16:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, but dollar stores are thriving. Thanks, Uniparty!


2 posted on 08/13/2017 10:19:49 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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To Read Later


3 posted on 08/13/2017 10:20:00 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Meet the New Boss

Half the country makes under $30,000 a year.


4 posted on 08/13/2017 10:22:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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Outside malls are the future in temperate zones

Super lux malls like Bal Harbour and Phipps and Northpark hold up

Both Glendale and Salt Lake have great downtown examples of good outdoor mall arrangements


5 posted on 08/13/2017 10:24:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (Virtue signalers should be shot...conservative ones racked and hanged then fed to dogs)
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Malls as lifestyle centers

Hmm...work with me here. An entire mall full of gun stores, ammunition stores, and sporting attire, sort of a cross between Cabela's and a year-round gun show. One end of it is a shoot house. The other, zombie paintball. A range in the middle. Instructional centers. Travel agents for war zones and safaris.

We start with one in Texas, one in Idaho, and see who wants to get onboard. Connecticut, New York, California, Massachusetts, Maryland, are right out! We'll get rich.

6 posted on 08/13/2017 10:32:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“You have to replan 110 acres.” True. Brilliant article. Thanks.

50% Americans have Amazon Prime. Surprising.
Malls are cool hang-outs for kids and moms and seniors.


7 posted on 08/13/2017 10:36:35 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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I miss the arcades.


8 posted on 08/13/2017 10:39:22 PM PDT by 80skid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know a little bit about this. Malls that don’t look like malls are doing great. I am Ops for two outdoor mall that consist of multiple buildings with a “central court” feature. One actually has a residential building dead center, and offices on the 2nd and 3rd floors. It doesn’t feel like a mall at all..it feels like a small town, with streets and restaurants, mom and pop stores and nationals. Most folks think they’re walking around on city streets, which remind folks of the days before community stores were obliterated by monster malls. It’s a beast to operate, but what a great environment. Sometimes, I walk my dog over to work, and pick up some fries at Shake Shack. It’s a beautiful thing!


9 posted on 08/13/2017 10:39:37 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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Local zoning rules should be amended to allow mixed uses in shopping districts ( i.e. malls ) and parking requirements should be eliminated.

let the free market do it stuff


10 posted on 08/13/2017 10:40:45 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To pull from Carlin 20 years ago, mini after mini mall, then a mega mall.

It’s true.

Same shit on every corner anywhere USA. They keep building these places. Crazy.


11 posted on 08/13/2017 10:42:34 PM PDT by 80skid
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Agree 100%. City regulations need to be decreased and free market forces should allow creative people to turn old malls into new cool hang-outs with stores, gyms, Amazon centers, and lofts.


12 posted on 08/13/2017 10:47:19 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: Billthedrill

Got it. Mall centers for Americans with guns who wish to defend their religion. I would invest.
What would you call a shooters’ mall? Gun City? Shooters Paradise?


13 posted on 08/13/2017 10:50:15 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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Gotta get creative with that. “Dodge City” would be kinda kewl...


14 posted on 08/13/2017 11:20:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Falconspeed

Ooh! I know! Tombstone!


15 posted on 08/13/2017 11:25:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Malls become hangouts for ghetto yutes which kills business. Who wants to spend an evening wandering a mall (we actually used to do that) with that kind of crap?

I've seen this kill at least two malls in my area over the decades.

It's amusing that pointy-heads can't figure out that aspect - or are too cowed to mention it and suggest something be done about it... which would involve the ACLU, lawsuits and the ultimate death of the mall anyway...

16 posted on 08/13/2017 11:40:50 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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It’s a similar story here in the U.K. and for the same reason, which the article mainly dodges.

Sure, internet shopping has had an effect, but many stores that have abandoned malls still thrive out on main street.

The reason is that malls are no longer such nice places to visit. They’re a magnet for all the ne’er-do-wells looking for free entertainment and free stuff. Drunks and druggies seeking somewhere to shelter for the day from the elements; bored ‘yutes’ wanting nothing else to do but make mischief; petty criminals slipping easily from one store or one crowd to another; not to mention feeling like a fish in a barrel for the next jihadist.

This is one reason why the latest malls are ‘outdoor’ - it’s an attempt to design out these undesirables by making it less attractive to these types of folks. But this will be only marginally successful because it doesn’t deal with the underlying issues.


17 posted on 08/13/2017 11:59:22 PM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Falconspeed

the only uses which should be regulated under zoning rules should be noxious activities ( slaughterhouse, refiners, steel mill, etc ). Commercial, Residential, and Office should have complete freedom in all but R-1 & R-2 zones.

BTW - Trump Tower was one of the first mixed use buildings ( Retail, Commercial, Office, and Residential ). Trump was considered crazy at the time to mix all these uses in one building. Today, Trump Tower is considered a model of successful urban living.


18 posted on 08/14/2017 12:30:58 AM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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You bring up something that seldom gets a mention in business and trade publications such as this one. It's not PC to say there are certain "customers" malls would rather not have as their very presence drives shoppers elsewhere.

And because of the bad publicity it would generate, mall managers hesitate to crack down on loiterers (mostly in their teens and 20s) who scare away customers by their appearance, attitude and language.

Of course, Democrats are quick to defend miscreants against the selfish business owners who, every so often, do have to get police help to eject them from the premises.

Police brutality! Racial profiling! Call the ACLU.

Would this be a major contributor to the decline of shopping centers generally, and the reason so many former customers are opting to shop at Amazon? I think so.

19 posted on 08/14/2017 12:36:43 AM PDT by logician2u
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We start with one in Texas, one in Idaho, and see who wants to get onboard. Connecticut, New York, California, Massachusetts, Maryland, are right out! We'll get rich.

I *like* it! Pick a location with an old anchor store that had excessive parking area and stretch that sucker into a 100-yard indoor range.

BTW, a guy I work with came up with a similar mall "re-purpose" idea: relocating all the area's "gentlemen's clubs" into a dead mall could also have benefits (such as more efficient law-enforcement coverage). Heck, Victoria's Secret and/or Frederick's of Hollywood wouldn't even have to move out; they'd be a perfect fit for the new theme.

Have bars dotting the floorplan between the clubs - and maybe a central entrance and cover charge for the whole place.

20 posted on 08/14/2017 2:35:35 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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