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1 posted on 10/08/2021 7:52:36 AM PDT by Onthebrink
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No not totally obsolete, just unable to operate without aircover.

Battleships did good work as mobile artillery support for amphibious landings as well as massive AA platforms to protect fleets from air attack. They also were excellent protection for aircraft carries against potential surface to surface engagements.


2 posted on 10/08/2021 7:56:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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They dropped a LOT of bombs on her while she sat in one spot.

The demonstration wasn’t all that convincing. In fact, it may have had the opposite effect as naval planners concluded that maneuvering ships were unlikely to be destroyed by aerial attacks.

Unfortunately for the Prince of Wales and Repulse, technology advanced in the next 20 years.


3 posted on 10/08/2021 7:57:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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These days it looks like flying Tic-Tacs will render our current military obsolete.


4 posted on 10/08/2021 7:57:54 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The American Revolution was a violent revolt against a dictatorship. )
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Yeah, sure...until the aliens attack,
and you have to pull the USS Missouri out of dry-dock,
and then they get Thunderstruck!


6 posted on 10/08/2021 7:58:37 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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Rest assured that Russia, China and Iran are doing exactly the same thing right now to our equipment, which was left behind in Afghanistan.

Destructive tests...


7 posted on 10/08/2021 7:59:16 AM PDT by Delmarksman
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Two hundred-thirty(230) six hundred pound(600) bombs on a non moving ship that doesn’t shoot back? How many missed? Okayyyyyy


13 posted on 10/08/2021 8:04:54 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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Fact is in this modern technological era virtually all surface combatants are obsolete. However many brave young sailors will have to die before America’s political ,pole climbing battleship admirals are purged from positions of power and influence.


14 posted on 10/08/2021 8:06:18 AM PDT by allendale
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FACT: Despite the alleged fact, US had 23/24 BBs in WWII.


15 posted on 10/08/2021 8:07:02 AM PDT by cranked
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You sunk my Battleship!

Loved that game

20 posted on 10/08/2021 8:18:01 AM PDT by FatherofFive (We support Trump. Not the GOP)
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BULL SHIITE!


21 posted on 10/08/2021 8:20:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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Sooner or later some genius is going to start a SpaceForce and move our capabilities to the modern era.


27 posted on 10/08/2021 8:36:27 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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BS.

Billy Mitchell was flying against an anchored BB, that wasn’t shooting back, using level bombing techniques. It was as close to shooting fish in a barrel as you could possible get. In WW2 level bombing proved to be all but useless against maneuvering ships.

What General Mitchell proved was that bombers could deliver enough of a payload to damage a BB. That’s about it.


28 posted on 10/08/2021 8:36:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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Misleading. Mitchell’s tests were rigged by himself-—he carried more “bombs” than allowed, the ships were stationary, there was no opposing air cover, and no antiaircraft fire.

Moreover, Mitchell thought he proved that ships were sinkable by LAND-BASED air, which proved completely wrong in WW II. The land-based bombers at Midway did not score a single hit on any Japanese ship.

Land-based Japanese planes in Guadalcanal and subsequent Pac Islands campaigns did a little better, but only when armed with torpedoes-—hardly what Mitchell had in mind.


34 posted on 10/08/2021 8:39:45 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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35 posted on 10/08/2021 8:40:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Alexander Seversky, a veteran Russian pilot who had bombed German ships in WWI worked with Mitchell's crews and passed along that the water-hammer effect of a near-hit would do more damage than a direct hit.

As for rules of engagement and the type of aircraft involved, keep in mind that Mitchell's crews weren't allowed to drop aerial torpedoes.

Even before George Kenney adopted the British and German technique of skip-bombing, the aircraft showed its effectiveness against a ship.

43 posted on 10/08/2021 9:03:41 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Ostfriesland, considered “unsinkable” due to its extensive compartmentalization.

Absurd. Ostfriesland was not considered "unsinkable" by 1921. In fact, she was completely obsolete by then and was, in fact, about half the size of battleships that were on the drawing board at that time. Both the British and Germans had lost ships that were bigger with just as much compartmentalization as Ostfriesland during WWI.
46 posted on 10/08/2021 9:34:45 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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They sure came in handy while island hopping towards Japan. Iwo Jima Okinawa etc


50 posted on 10/08/2021 9:42:34 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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Nothing is unsinkable.


53 posted on 10/08/2021 9:48:51 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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And within sight of a barbarian shore, they cut a fabulous figure.


56 posted on 10/08/2021 10:10:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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Hi. Imho you must control the battle space by air dominance.

From the carrier, to the the armored division, gotta have air dominance and in this case, a couple of attack submarines.

5.56mm

61 posted on 10/08/2021 11:22:14 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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