Posted on 11/30/2021 1:52:55 PM PST by rebuildus
Our world needs good churches more than ever!
Yet, unfortunately, from my experience, they seem to be in short supply.
I have a fair amount of experience with churches. I’ve experienced the good, the bad, the ugly, and the in-between.
I’ve finally arrived at the conclusion that–as in many areas of life–it’s time that we learned from each other.
The model for churches we typically see–no matter the kind of church–is off. Typically, in one form or another, the pastor/minister seems to think it is his (or her–these days) duty to teach us, even though Jesus pointedly warned to “let no man teach us.”
So that’s number one.
This world has far too many “leaders,” “teachers,” and “gurus.” Many of them swear they are not teaching us, as they go about teaching us!
Much damage has been done through external “teaching,” even if that teaching is technically correct. If that teaching is not correct in any serious way–the result can be disastrous as I have pointed out in past posts.
It’s time for a new paradigm.
Testimony I have been fortunate to have attended two unconventional churches that emphasized communication between the minister and the congregation. I participated in useful discussion of spiritual, cultural, and even political matters. Yet, even in this environment, it became easy for the minister to turn it into a “teaching” session, instead of a place where personal testimony and understanding is shared by all.
Testimony can come through anyone, and when this is well-understood, powerful things can happen.
I’d really like to see the presiding minister act as more of a guide and facilitator of discussion and testimony rather than the principle source of wisdom.
All things considered, I am grateful to have seen the two-way communication model used effectively. I believe it should be a cornerstone.
However, the unconventional churches I attended tended to be light on Bible scripture–one was quite selective and used primarily the scripture that bolstered the pastor’s corrupted point of view.
Scripture is something of a two-edged sword–it can be grossly overused and just thrown out there as instructions that we already know in our own conscience. It can be dead. It can be quoted by congregants constantly, to the point of incredible annoyance!
Yet, scripture can also be quite useful as a corrective tool, if the minister’s pronouncements get too far away from actual truth. Looking back, actually reading or hearing certain scripture passages could have saved me–and my family–years of grief!
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Bible We need good churches NOW! In this current day, with so much deceit and treachery abounding; with so many of us being “cancelled” out of society through “vaccine” mandates and the like, we need good churches more than ever.
In an age of forced social isolation, we need fellowship with like-minded people more than we ever have.
We need to gather together, fellowship together, help each other stay healthy and find fulfilling work–and if necessary, hire each other and assist each other in starting businesses (especially now that the work environment can be so hostile to us).
We need to teach each other the skills of living independently of “the system” that seeks to subjugate us.
What form can this take? Governments have increasingly made it difficult for churches to operate in freedom. This happens even in America, the place that ironically has a government that was formed to limit its ability to attack our freedoms!
Sure, it would be great to see powerful churches form in the city and in the country. But, for many reasons, a standard church is just one limited option. We can gather in private residences, in parks, online through web conference, and even in casual ways such as calling each other on a traditional or video phone.
The point is to COME TOGETHER! This is what the elite who seek to control us fear. But in one form or another–come together we must!
Since I have come clean about the double life of sin I was leading which was destroying myself and my family, my family has become much closer. We essentially conduct our own “church service” on a regular basis. Just by seeking God and communicating honestly with others, we are “having church.”
Now, I understand that our first “church” is inside our own body–the temple of the spirit–that a corrupt minister helped me defile. So I always encourage people to meditate or pray to get in touch with the Spirit that guides us.
This is always the first priority.
Yet, it is important that we “not neglect our assemblies,” as Hebrews 10:25 exhorts us, for all the reasons I stated above. Our very lives may depend on us insisting that we meet regularly with like-minded people.
And I hope that our assemblies are as useful as possible, given that I have seen many examples of what works, and what doesn’t work well in church services. Some may prefer the comfort of staying in a church that they are not totally happy with, instead of being willing to find or create something that does benefit them as it should.
That’s their decision, but it’s not what I seek and what I believe many others seek too.
I’m basically an optimist, and believe that if there is a need, then there is a solution–perhaps right in front of us… we just have to be open to seeing that solution, and to taking one step at a time toward fulfilling it.
Patrick Rooney is the Founder of OldSchoolUs.com. He communicates clearly and fearlessly during perilous times about natural health, success, and freedom. To reach Patrick, email him at info@oldschoolus.com.
>> The doctrines of a “seven year tribulation”, and “one rapture of the Bride of Christ” turned out to have been false teachings not based on the Bible. <<
What proves that the “tribulation” and the “rapture” are not presented clearly in the Schofield edition of the King James Version of the Bible?
What do you know about the life history of John Nelson Darby, and his writings?
Seems to be a lot of work deducing a date that Our Lord said He didn’t know.
In the traditional Latin Mass, the Catholic priest faces the altar along with all the parishioners. The focus is on Jesus and not some no-name Bible college graduate in a slick suit.
>>What do you know about the life history of John Nelson Darby, and his writings?
At this point, 4 years into the Book itself, I don’t care what people wrote in the past. No one recognized that the Great Sign was a real astronomical alignment until we had Stellarium to calculate it. That put an absolute time marker in Revelation Chapter 12, which appears to cover the entire End of Days.
Before 1947, many writers thought that Israel would never be restored to the Land. Sir Issac Newton’s calculations were pretty close, however.
So look up! because your salvation draws neigh!
Read “The Normal Christian Church Life” by Watchman Nee.
—> The Normal Christian Church Life” by Watchman Nee.
+1
That took a “backseat” when he got wrapped up in homosexual love affair with his pastor.
Who are you talking about....as having this affair?
I was confused by who you replied to.
Did you mean to ping the OP?
Thanks.
No. Was responding to your question.
Grk. Ecclesia
Called out ones
Did you mean to ping OP to your original post, about the pastor/relationship, is what I am asking. Since you were referring to him, and, not person you replied to.
A FR courtesy ping.
Thx.
And "neigh" is what a horse does, not salvation. I already have that, and will be joining Jesus when He comes to draw me up into the clouds. Anyone staying here at that time are slated for misery for the rest of eternity, eh?
“The model for churches we typically see–no matter the kind of church–is off. Typically, in one form or another, the pastor/minister seems to think it is his (or her–these days) duty to teach us, even though Jesus pointedly warned to “let no man teach us.” “
Actually, a qualification for an elder is that he be “apt to teach,” and we are told to submit to their “rule.” We are also told to teach in other circumstances, for instance, we are repeatedly told to teach our children.
Take the Bible as a whole. Yes, we are specifically told how to call elders/bishops and deacons. It is biblical.
The Great Sign in the Heavens of The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ (The Book) Chapter 12 verses 1-2 happened exactly as written by John on September 23-24, 2017. If that started a “seven-year tribulation: and the individuals saved and owned by the Risen Christ were to be raptured before that seven-years started, then why are we all still here now, more that half way through the seven years?
Because Daniel’s 70th Week started when Jesus started His ministry around 27 AD and continued for 3 1/2 years until He was “cut off.” The 3 1/2 years of Jacob’s Troubles will resume when the Man of Sin commits the Abomination that Causes Desolate. The Calvary Chapel reading of Daniel 9 is flawed.
If you read The Book carefully, you will see three sets of raptured/resurrected peoples, not just one, and you will see that the “Bride of Christ”, the New Jerusalem, is not built until after the Millennial Kingdom is over.
Luckily, it doesn’t matter to your salvation in which rapture you go. It just means you might have to get your head cut off, and other uncomfortable things.
Look up Brenda Weltner on YouTube if you want to learn from someone who used to believe as you believe now, but was able to read the Book, see the signs, listen to the Spirit, and figure out what The Book actually means.
“Read “The Normal Christian Church Life” by Watchman Nee.”
Can you give me an idea of what it’s about, Scrambler Bob?
Thank you, Cboldt
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