Umm, you might want to ask the Serbians.
And the Chinese about their embassy there.
Posted on 04/10/2022 9:22:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Some readers have asked why Russia regards Finland’s membership in NATO as a provocation. For the same reason that Ukraine’s membership is a provocation: US missile bases on Russia’s border.
Editor’s Commentary: I have always appreciated Paul Craig Roberts’ perspectives. My conversations with him have shown me he understands geopolitics better than just about anyone I know. I do not agree with everything he posted in the article below from Free West Media, but I’m printing it anyway because it does shed light on the reality that we are closer to war with Russia than any time since the Cold War.
The best way we can contribute to preventing WWIII from happening (other than prayer, of course) is to pressure our elected officials to keep us as far away from the regional conflict in Ukraine as possible. We can help the suffering Ukrainian people, but military intervention of any kind is not in our best interests, nor will it help to save the people of Ukraine. It will only make matters worse and almost certainly result in a war scenario that nobody outside of the Military Industrial Complex or the Chinese Communist Party should desire. Here’s Paul’s article…
Whereas Washington intends Finland’s NATO membership as a new provocation, we must not forget two other existing provocations that the Kremlin has declared to be unacceptable: the existing missile bases in Poland and Romania.
It makes no sense for Russia to preemptively prevent missile bases...
(Excerpt) Read more at basedunderground.com ...
Pretty sure it's sooner, since I just read a few days ago about a US test of said missile. I could be wrong.
THIS argument actually makes sense to me.
The problem with what Putin is doing now is that missiles were not in Ukraine. They weren’t going to be in Ukraine for a while. And the US won’t be deploying HSM for, literally, years.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The current war is about bread and natural gas. It’s the same thing wars have been fought over since the beginning of time.
They have been testing them for at least a year. Very few of the tests have been “successful.” At least according the the “reports”; which are always taken with a grain of salt.
So, consider successful testing. Then procurement. Then budgeting. Then manufacturing in number. My guess is unless we are at war, this is going to be 3-5 years from now—at least.
Except that NATO is and always has been a DEFENSIVE alliance...a fact well-attested to by existing history.
No argument from me on that. But from the “other side”, I can understand the argument. Understanding the argument and agreeing with it are two different things.
Well, Biden has Earned it.
Russia doesn’t either but they hyped it up so much that everyone believes it.
“Such missiles on Russia’s borders could reach Moscow in 3 or 4 minutes, clearly an existential threat.”
Kind of like Russia’s SLBM force right off our coast.
Umm, you might want to ask the Serbians.
And the Chinese about their embassy there.
Except NATO has been used offensively in recent years!
Think Balkans\Serbia, North Africa(minimally), Middle East (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq) and Afghanistan. None of these were in the original mandate. Maybe officially NATO wasn’t used in some of those cases, but the media called the actions NATO. From the perspective of an outside more closed information-controlled society looking in, it was!
What all the means is both Russia and China have produced a few missiles - how far out of the prototype stage they are is questionable. What the US means is they are testing to production, not prototyping.So in the end both of the others will have a few in their arsenals for ‘special occasions’, but the US will have many thousands.
That is the infantile bend over backward to make excuses for Putins criminality and barabarism we been hearing from the Alex Jones Right from the start. It s completely without the slightest hint of intellectual or moral merit
"NATO bombed strategic economic and societal targets, such as bridges, military facilities, official government facilities, and factories, using long-range cruise missiles to hit heavily defended targets, such as strategic installations in Belgrade and Pristina. The NATO air forces also targeted infrastructure, such as power plants (using the BLU-114/B "Soft-Bomb"), water-processing plants and the state-owned broadcaster, causing much environmental and economic damage throughout Yugoslavia."
The notoriously left-wing peeps at Wikipedia make these admissions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia#Strategy
Riiiight the US is at fault for provoking Russia
The US has been provoking Russia for some time now. A nuclear exchange is coming. Ezekiel 38 and 39. The key is 39, describes CBRN clean up exactly.
> NATO is and always has been a DEFENSIVE alliance
—- Umm, you might want to ask the Serbians. <
Yep. When playing poker, it doesn’t matter what your opponent’s actual best move is. What matters is what your opponent THINKS his best move is, That’s what you have to evaluate.
Same goes with international relations. Folks can say all day long that NATO is a purely defensive organization. And that’s actually pretty much true. But there is enough fuzziness there to make the Russians doubt it. Serbia is just one example of that. There are others.
Please set a date for the “horizon”. I frankly do not believe a nuclear weapon will be launched anytime soon.
Well said. So sick of these confused types always blaming everyone other than the crimibal scum. It’s the same gadbage we see from the left to excuse BLM burning and looting. The poor little babies were provoked...
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