Posted on 09/02/2022 4:50:41 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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This happened like 2 years ago.
Several procedural failures here.
1) ATF Agent SHOULD have contacted dispatch, identified himself to dispatch, state his location and purpose PRIOR to initiating contact.
2) The caller contacted dispatch and stated that there was someone claiming to be a federal agent and even provided details. Dispatch SHOULD have told this information to the responding officer.
3) The responding officer should have waited for backup to arrive before initiating contact. Back up was only seconds away.
4) Responding officer should have allowed the agent TIME to provide credentials.
5) The agent SHOULD stated that he was an agent (he did) and then followed the instructions of the officer.
Lots of remedial training needed all around. It is an old case but serves as an example of what to NOT do.
I hope the atf guy ‘resisted’ on the way to the station.
This took place 10 years ago I think. It went to a hearing. They blamed this on the Police officer mostly for not allowing the ATF dingbat to produce ID. This video cut out an important part in the hearing. The lady that called the police said he was an ATF agent.
The lady got off easy.
There could have been a sniper out there behind a tree somewhere ready and waiting to take her head off for her (supposed) misdeed.
He was not arrested. He was released without charges because he has federal Neagle immunity.
He then filed a 42 USC 1983 lawsuit against the officers.
So this didn’t work out like you think that it did.
Procedural failures?
1. Okay how about ATF agent did not follow orders.
2. ATF agent argued with LEO who had his weapon drawn.
3. ATF agent was actively resisting arrest.
4. LEO didn’t shoot the asshole when he refused to follow orders and starting moving towards cars.
The ATF agent is lucky to be alive.
No… not quite that way. Nothing wrong with him getting out when he saw the bad guy. Not every call waits for backup, especially if it’s urgent and you know backup is close. Officers often make contact and stabilize things. Also In an armed encounter with an uncooperative man you never allow him to reach inside to pull out “credentials”. That ship sailed when he was a rude A-hole and wouldn’t follow commands. Every plainclothes cop knows… uniformed officers make the rules…period.
He decided to be confrontational, now he has to go the whole ride as a scrote for them to decide who he is.
Nope… he was refusing to follow commands. You don’t allow an uncooperative subject to go into his pockets…never. Also this same ATF clown was arrested for shoplifting. Swapping barcodes on wine bottles. Putting mad dog 20/20 labels on fancy California stuff.
ATF jackass was treated exactly as he earned.
IA cleared the two cops. Both were 20 year vets. The assclown ATF guy has since been arrested for stealing wine at Krogers.
TL;DW
This has been out there for a couple weeks
Pure hollywood production for those of you gullible enough to believe it . Sadly many people think it really happened . Kent State happened . It was real Ohio political leadership . This is a fairy tale for the lower part of the bell curve . They all had breakfast together before and lunch after the show was cut . And you rubes paid for both , heh .
Bkmk
that is how you treat a fed
cop was professional
atf agent was not
he was acting like a perp with an open warrant
all the poorly trained atf agent had to do was cooperate with the officer, ie obey his commands
the officer’s primary objective is to control the situation
follow the officer’s orders and tell him where the credentials are
do not reach for them yourself
how does a layman know this and not a federal agent
The local cops should have just shot the ATF goon and called it a day.
L
Got stopped by an Arkansas State Trooper one very rainy night. I put the interior lights on, shut the engine off and put my hands on top of the steering wheel. When he came up to the window I asked him if he would like for me to come back to his cruiser. He said he’d appreciate it. When we got back to his cruiser he asked if I was LEO trained. I said no, but I had LEO friends. He asked why I volunteered to go to the cruiser and I just told him that it seemed like the right thing to do given how heavily it was raining. We had a nice chat. He gave me a warning ticket. I thanked him. In over sixty years of driving I’ve had a few tickets, mostly warnings. I doesn’t take a lot of brains to show you are cognizant of the situation. Politeness goes a long way. Even if the LEO has had a hard day he’ll appreciate polite behaviour. That’s not saying there aren’t bad apples out there as we know there are. By the way, ticket or not, I always thank the officer for his duty.
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