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1 posted on 12/30/2023 12:56:39 PM PST by Starman417
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The North invaded the Southern states because it wished to impose its will upon them.


2 posted on 12/30/2023 1:07:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To understand Lincoln and his puppet masters simply read his 1st inaugural address. Lincoln was the original neocon in search of perpetual war.


3 posted on 12/30/2023 1:12:14 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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When the southern states seceded they told us why they were seceding. The reasons were given in various declaration of causes documents.

All you need is the ability to read those documents to understand their reasons.

A search for the word slave in this page https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states will demonstrate clearly why they were seceding.


4 posted on 12/30/2023 1:14:05 PM PST by JSM_Liberty
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The war’s causes and the importance of slavery among them can be debated, but this article loses much credibility by its historical inaccuracies.

The South maintained slavery because it was integral to the economic and social structure. The author seems to be implying that the South would have voluntarily rid itself of slavery except for fear of slave revolts.

The “micro civil war” that erupted in the 1850s was a result of the doctrine of popular sovereignty that was implemented in the Kansas Nebraska Act. Certainly the goal was to make slavery legal in the newly incorporated Kansas Territory, but it had no effect on Missouri, which was admitted as a slave state via the Compromise of 1820.

I’m sure there are others, but I am not wasting my time reading any more of an article by an author who cannot manage to get basic history correct


5 posted on 12/30/2023 1:24:35 PM PST by stremba
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Governments do not give up their power.


8 posted on 12/30/2023 1:33:23 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eye)
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I thought Lincoln once said if he could preserve the union by embracing slavery, he would. I can’t recall the source so I could be wrong-I won’t swear to it. Does anybody know?


10 posted on 12/30/2023 1:40:52 PM PST by Spok (It takes a lot of learning to understand how little we know. (Paraphrasing Thomas Sowell.))
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Nimroda is the new John Kerry


11 posted on 12/30/2023 1:50:46 PM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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Exactly! When did the “all about slavery” myth start getting pushed and by whom?

It started in Academia (no, we’re not talking about wartime propaganda) in the 80s. The people pushing it were LEFTISTS who went into Academia starting in the 60s. It took time for them to climb the ladder to professor status and then obtain tenure. By the 90s, they were department heads in Universities. They made sure to hire nothing but other LEFTISTS who would regurgitate their dogma. Sound familiar? It should. Everything else in Academia worked that way.

Every side claims every war is about morality or “the principle of the thing”. Anybody who has studied history and who has even a lick of sense quickly sees that at least 90% of the time its about one thing and one thing only.....MONEY. Politicians just don’t like to say that because its not what people want to hear. They want to believe their loved ones died for a noble cause rather than just lining others’ pockets....even though usually, they did die for that.


13 posted on 12/30/2023 2:06:06 PM PST by FLT-bird
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The Democrat slave owners wanted to keep their slaves. Lincoln, the Republican President, said we’ll go to war over this it. The Democrat slave owners stated the war to retain their slaves.


14 posted on 12/30/2023 2:07:32 PM PST by yesthatjallen
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“all the slaves in Haiti rebelled, tortured, and killed everyone who was white or even 1/8 white”

And just think: one of their descendants now sits in judgement of the President of the United States, having been christened an “American” by...um...who knows.

Truly unbiased jurisprudence.


16 posted on 12/30/2023 2:09:53 PM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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. There had been several smaller attempts at slave rebellion in the South as well. Given the choice to keep slavery or to risk being butchered in retaliation, most powerful people in the South chose to keep slavery.

Slaves rebellions were always a possibility. But that's to be expected when people are treated as property, and slaveowners were right to be scared of a slave rebellion.

As noted in another thread:

"Of course, Federal assistance and requirements to return fugitive slaves ramped up even more slaves being given assistance to go to Canada, being hidden, and some states making return of fugitive skates as time consuming as possible.

That’s not to say that slaves should not have tried to escape, or rebel, or States should not have fought the return of fugitive slaves. Those did occur, were encouraged and should have been."

21 posted on 12/30/2023 2:25:55 PM PST by Fury
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Anybody who insists it was slavery and only slavery, period, is so historically ignorant they’re not worth arguing with.


23 posted on 12/30/2023 2:33:09 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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If I remember correctly, the retarded far left took us through a period of retardism when the “afro-centrists” claimed that there was absolutely no connections between African slaves and the Civil War. Whatever happened to that? Remember, the Africans used to fly around the pyramids in jets.


24 posted on 12/30/2023 2:38:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Joey, Meester Beeg Obrador is running the border now. You can get rid of Blinkey and Mayorkas.)
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If I remember correctly, the retarded far left took us through a period of retardism when the “afro-centrists” claimed that there was absolutely no connections between African slaves and the Civil War. Whatever happened to that? Remember, the Africans used to fly around the pyramids in jets.


26 posted on 12/30/2023 2:41:29 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Joey, Meester Beeg Obrador is running the border now. You can get rid of Blinkey and Maracas.)
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Interesting map but not detailed enough. In the state I live in Arkansas, all voted for secession except Benton and Madison Counties. The state decided they needed a 100 % secession vote so had another vote. Someone in Madison County said something disparaging about Benton County that they so infuriated them they voted pro Secession. That left Madison County against. The State decided Madison County’s vote did not count so secession was decided on.

As for what the map calls “Unorganized Territory” was the Indian Territory. They had no say in the matter but when war broke out they went with the South. the few who chose not to secede joined with John Ross, chief of the Cherokees and fled to Union Territory. All others joined with Stand Watie another Cherokee chief who became the last Confederate General to lay down his arms.

The tribes that made or were negotiating treaties with the Confederacy.
Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws, Comanches, Wachitas, Kiowas, Pottawattamies, Chickasaws, Osages,
Seminoles, Senecas, Shawnees, Quawpaws.
The South also had Indian agents operating all throughout the High Plains and mountain region stirring up other tribes such as the Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Navajo and Apaches to make war on the Union at that time.
Their traditional enemies, Pawnee, Kaw, Osage (well, most of them) remained loyal to the Union.
The pro-Union Osages wiped out a party of Confederate officers heading for Colorado. On them were found instructions to...
#1, encourage southerners in Colorado to join the Confederate army.....and
#2, ENCOURAGE THE INDIAN TRIBES TO ATTACK SETTLERS IN THE KANSAS-COLORADO AREA.
That party was wiped out. Who knows how many other Confederate parties made it through with the same instructions.
“There is little doubt that the recent outbreak in the Northwest (Minnesota Uprising) has resulted from the efforts of secession agents operating through Canadian Indians and fur-traders.”—Mr Giddings, US Counsul-general in Canada


27 posted on 12/30/2023 2:42:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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...it is a modern litmus test for many people on the left, i.e. people who likely weren’t going to vote for her anyway.

...which is why Republicans have to learn how not to answer these "gotcha" questions that have no "great relevance 163 years later."

If asked what the cause of the Civil War was, simply say:

Why? Did you miss that class in high school? I'm here to talk about my vision for the country in 2024. If you want to learn about the Civil War, I suggest you watch the famous documentary by Ken Burns.

Next question...

-PJ
32 posted on 12/30/2023 2:47:41 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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A lot of people have never heard of nullification I would wager.


40 posted on 12/30/2023 2:57:50 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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I would have answered:
“Sin aka Evil caused the Civil War”


42 posted on 12/30/2023 2:58:39 PM PST by Theophilus (It's far easier to rig a jury than an electionhe )
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Follow this link to Greg Durand's America's Caesar

Fully documented eye-opener.

54 posted on 12/30/2023 3:25:45 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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The map is misleading. There was a section in the NC Appalachians that had never had slaves, and the seceded from the Confederacy as soon as the Confederacy was formed. This area was called Mayland.

Mayland was ruthless ravaged by both the US and the Confederacy. I have visited some of the caves where the people hid when soldiers came to steal and destroy.


62 posted on 12/30/2023 3:37:34 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't match your biography, what good is it?)
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