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The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, October 15, 2003 | MARK YOST

Posted on 10/15/2003 1:02:20 AM PDT by archy

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Shooter 2.5
Shooter, if we could get a shoot lined up for Saturday, would that be possible for you?
51 posted on 10/15/2003 6:53:30 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
This Saturday I have an IDPA match. Can you make it for the next one? If it has to be this Saturday, I won't go to the match.
52 posted on 10/15/2003 7:11:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TexasCowboy
Well, I've got to get set up to reload the .50s, anyway. As much as I like to shoot the Barrett, I can't afford the ammo, even at $2.00 a round off the Internet, and I sure can't afford match ammo at $4.50 a round!
I figure I can reload for less than a buck a round and make shooting a lot easier on the pocketbook.
That's the reason I was thinking about a .50 caliber belt fed.
I can probably stretch my budget to 15k if I see something I really like.

Well, there IS an alternative to the .50 Browning. Ammo runs around $2/shot, but it too can be reloaded, or the guns can be converted to take the .50x99mm M2 Browning round....

Let me know if you're interested...there's an on-line gathering place for those so inclined.


53 posted on 10/15/2003 7:11:41 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Let me get some feed back, Shooter.
I'll let you know. Thanks!
54 posted on 10/15/2003 7:34:08 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: archy
What in the Sam Hell is that??
Yes, I'm interested!

cob1@addr.com

55 posted on 10/15/2003 7:35:17 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
OK, Just remember the bathroom facilities are the nearest tree.

It's a nice place otherwise. It's a hot range and there's a lot of freedom as to what you can do. We still try to be safe. The only problem is everyone there has the same privilages as I do so no one or everyone is a range officer. There has to be a lot of tolerance and co-operation. That doesn't mean that when I leave things don't get shot up. Some people take the time to build and it takes one individual to tear it up in seconds.
56 posted on 10/15/2003 8:14:34 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TexasCowboy
What in the Sam Hell is that??
Yes, I'm interested!

The first Soviet heavy-caliber machine gun was designed on official request for dedicated Anti-aircraft weapon. Request was issued to designer Degtyarev (who already designed an DP-27 LMG) in 1929. First prototype of the 12.7mm machine gun, named DK (Degtyarev, Krupnocalibernyj = Degtyarev, Large caliber) was built in 1930. This gun was officialy adopted, and DK was manufactured in small numbers during period of 1933 - 1935. It was a gas operated weapon, firing powerful 12.7mm carttridge, but with magazine feeding. Drum magazine held only 30 rounds and was bulky and heavy, and practical rate of fire was unsatisfactory low. In the late 1930s another famous Soviet arms designer, Shpagin, designed an add-on belt feed module, that could be easily installed on the DK instead of the magazine. This modification appeared in 1938, and in 1939 it was officially adopted by Red Army as an "12.7mm Krupnocalibernyj Pulemet Degtyareva-Shpagina, DShK" (Degtyarev-Shpagin, large caliber). DShK was used through WW2 as an anti-aircraft weapon, and also as an heavy infantry support gun. It also had been used on some heavy soviet tanks as a roof-mounted AA-gun. After the war some care had been taken to improve DShK - a rotary belt fed unit was replaced by more conventional slide-operated one, some other improvements also were made. New gun was adopted as a DShK-M, or DShK Modernised, and also is known as DShKM-38/46. It also was used as a heavy infantry support/AA-gun, and mounted on some tanks and armour vehicles (T-55, T-62, BTR-155). In the late 1960s and 1970s DShKM was gradually replaced in Soviet Army service by the more modern NSV / NSVT machine gun. DShKM was widely exported to Soviet-friendly nations and regimes. It was also manufactured in other countries, such as China, Iran, Yugoslavia and Pakistan. It was widely used in numerous "local wars", including Afghan campaigns.

DSchKM was one of the most sucessful designs of its time. 12.7mm (.50) AP bullets fired from that MG, could pierce 15mm armor plate at 500m.

DSchK is the belt-fed, air-cooled, gas operated weapon that fires only in full-auto. Gas system has the 3 positions gas regulator. Bolt is locked in the receiver via two horisontally pivoted locking flaps, attached to the bolt. The overall system is quite similar to one found in DP-27 light machine gun, but scaled up and with addition of the bolt and bolt carrier buffer assemblies in the receiver backplate. The original belt feed module, designed by Shpagin, used a non-desintegrating belt with open pockets. To delink the cartridges prior to chamber it, Shpagin used a rotary drum, that feed the belt and pulled the cartridges out of their belt pockets simulateneously. The drum was operated via the oscillating arm, that, in turn, was operated by the charging handle, rigidly attached to the bolt carrier. Belt was inserted at the top of the feed module, and cartridges were cought by the bolt and chambered at the bottom of the feed. Belt was fed from the left side of the gun. 50 rounds belts were used. DShK featured non quick-detachable, heavy barrel with radial fins to improve cooling and a large and effective muzzle brake.

DShK was used on wheeled universal mount, which was fitted with removable steel shield. This mount allowed vor Anti-aircraft usage - for AA role wheels were removed and a mount "tail" was separated and formed a folding tripod. Special shoulder stock and AA sight were also attached for Air Defence role. Some DShK were used on pintle mounts on small ships (like torpedo-boats).

DShKM was more or less the same weapon, with most distinctive change being the different belt feed, distinguished by much flatter, and square-outlined appearance. This feed module also used an oscillating arm linked to the charging handle to operate feed.

DShK and DShKM were quite adequate weapons for the time period they appeared in, but these guns were too heavy, too complicated to manufacture, and reliability in severe conditions was slightly less than desired, so they were replaced by much better designs (unlike the old Brownings M2HB, which are not less outdated today than DShK, but are still held in service).

$650 will get you a very good healthy start in the Dash-ka world, check here for details, or more DShK pics *here*.

And more info *here*. CONSIDERABLY more! Fyi, I'm known there as *rattlegunner*.

Anyway, there are more possibilities for a belt-fed .50 than just the good ol' MaDos, just as there are lower-cost ways of getting into the .50 rifle mischief than buying a M82A1 Barrett for six grand or so.

-archy-/-


57 posted on 10/15/2003 8:31:23 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
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58 posted on 10/15/2003 8:36:07 PM PDT by RippleFire
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Mucho gracias, archy!!

That gives me something to chew on that might allow me to eat and shoot at the same time!

I can see I'm going to need a bigger gun safe.

59 posted on 10/15/2003 9:02:03 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
Mucho gracias, archy!!

That gives me something to chew on that might allow me to eat and shoot at the same time!

I can see I'm going to need a bigger gun safe.

My own plan is to build one up as a single-shot rifle. It's pretty hard to get into the single-shot .50 world for $650 or so [I can think of a couple of other ways] and at $2.00 or more per shot, until I get set up to reload 12,7x108 I don't really need full-aut just yet. And it might be possible to arrange something semiauto once the 80% receiver kits planned become available.

Yep you can go the gun safe route. But I'm thinking about a mount using a Russian sidecar motorbike. Kinda hard to fit in a safe!


60 posted on 10/15/2003 9:45:24 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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