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The Guild 3-17-2004 A Merry St. Patrick's Day to ya!

Posted on 03/17/2004 4:07:21 AM PST by BigWaveBetty

As you slide down the banisters of life

may the splinters never point the wrong way.



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To: lodwick
Good to have you back on board. We've missed you. The Guild is really on a roll today - truly a great thread!
151 posted on 03/21/2004 1:43:41 PM PST by MaeWest
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To: daisyscarlett
Teresa does not look happy here...

Looks like she is making an obscene gesture even the mitten can't conceal.

152 posted on 03/21/2004 1:46:02 PM PST by MaeWest
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To: lodwick
Silly boy! The Midwest is known for it's Strong Women,, in order not to look like wimps, the men pretend the weather doesn't bother them.

By the middle of the week it will warm up again. This is March. No weather pattern of any kind lasts longer than 3 days. Yo-Yo Weather.
153 posted on 03/21/2004 3:05:43 PM PST by Iowa Granny (Impersonating June Cleaver since 1967)
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To: MaeWest
Looks like she is making an obscene gesture even the mitten can't conceal.

LOL. I don't think I'd want to be a fly on the wall at the Heinz-Kerry enclave - I bet the air gets mightly blue.

154 posted on 03/21/2004 3:24:20 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: MaeWest; Iowa Granny; mountaineer
This from a gun-talk website:

After weeks of personal attacks on the President and our economy, Senator Kerry finally has unveiled his economic plan of recovery. His plan is to make sure that everyone will have access to a rich widow because it has been so successful for him.

Closet Guilder?

155 posted on 03/21/2004 3:47:56 PM PST by lodwick (Wake up, America!)
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To: Endeavor
Do you think testimony from our side this week at the 9/11 comm. will make Richard Clarke's book hit the bargin barrel sooner rather than later? Help or hurt Kerry?

...Clarke was known for pounding the table to urge his counterparts at the CIA, FBI and Pentagon to do more about Al Qaeda. But he did not have much luck, in part because in both the Clinton and early Bush administrations, the top leadership did not back up Clarke and demand results.

A White House official countered that the true fault lay with Clarke for failing to propose an effective plan to go after Al Qaeda. On Jan. 25, this official told NEWSWEEK, Clarke submitted proposals to "roll back" Al Qaeda in Afghanistan by boosting military aid to neighboring Uzbekistan, getting the CIA to arm its Predator spy planes and increasing funding for guerrillas fighting the Taliban. There was no need for a high-level meeting on terrorism until Clarke came up with a better plan, this official told NEWSWEEK. The official quoted President Bush as telling Condi Rice, "I'm tired of swatting flies." Bush, this official says, wanted an aggressive scheme to take bin Laden out.

...In the meeting, says Clarke, Wolfowitz cited the writings of Laurie Mylroie, a controversial academic [Isikoff fails to mention Mylroie served as an adviser on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign.] who had written a book advancing an elaborate conspiracy theory that Saddam was behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Clarke says he tried to refute Wolfowitz. "We've investigated that five ways to Friday, and nobody [in the government] believes that," Clarke recalls saying. "It was Al Qaeda. It wasn't Saddam." A spokesman for Wolfowitz described Clarke's account as a "fabrication." Wolfowitz always regarded Al Qaeda as "a major threat," said this official. Link

She [Mylroie]thinks that Pollack, like many other former and current State Department employees and intelligence community members, intentionally tried to downplay Iraqis ties too terrorism, positing that "once the danger of Iraqi terrorist activity was admitted, the inescapable implication followed that the Clinton administration, including Pollack himself, had turned a blind eye to a major threat." Link

Clinton had to ignore it, real war is just too risky on one's legacy.

Wessie Clark was asked by Kerry to comment on this 'contraversy' on Fox News! Yikes, could I be getting my wish, a Kerry/Clark ticket?

156 posted on 03/21/2004 3:53:50 PM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Charming sign from yesterday's SF anti-war rally:


157 posted on 03/21/2004 4:09:57 PM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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To: BigWaveBetty
I'm on the last chapter of "Losing Bin Laden" - I put it down to come down and watch 60 minutes and Clarke. Clarke is practically the hero of the book. Bush may well have felt that he needed his own assessment and plan to go after Bin Laden and may not have felt Clarke was as effective as he could have been due to his temperment - he apparently pissed a lot of people off and so in typical, yet sad, bureaucratic fashion, they purposely sabbatoged his plans. This plus Clinton's refusal to take Bin Laden seriously made any attempt to get Bin Laden pretty futile. Couple that with Gen Hugh Shelton lying to Clinton by telling him they'd have to have a big footprint to go in after Bin Laden (this was Shelton's way of blowing things out of proportion because Shelton and some of his cronies on the Jt. Chiefs refused to send a special ops team to do the job) makes me amazed that Clarke kept pitching given the crap he had to overcome.

That said, I'm sure he has a political persuasion and it ain't our direction. He was obsessed with Bin Laden (rightfully so) and would probably think any foreign policy that wasn't focused solely on OBL was pointless. We know that Bush had ordered a full plan of attack for OBL and that it was put on his desk on 9/10 or 9/11.

None of the Clinton people wanted to believe Iraq was involved with anything because that would have meant they'd have to do something about Saddam - Clinton was so ineffectual at recognizing the need to meet evil with might, that we are left with a truly vast terror network which is well-financed and trained and will go on to inflict as much pain to us as possible even after Al Zahwahiri and OBL are long captured/killed.

That will be Clinton's legacy. Perhaps we should send "Losing Bin Laden" to the Clinton Liebrary.
158 posted on 03/21/2004 4:17:54 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: Endeavor
OK, this is a CBS hit-piece. Clarke surprises me that he could stay on throughout the ineptness of the Clinton approach to Iraq and is yet disgruntled to the point of airing this dirty laundry over 9 mos of the Bush admin. He strikes me as a guy who is po'd that no one allegedly listened to him. He definately has an agenda.

This load of manure that Leslie Stahl is dishing on Bush not going to "battle stations" when Clinton had in Dec '99 (because Jordanians found a massive millenium plot due to hit Americans in Jordan and then on the next day, the White HOuse wet its pants when the border guard in Wash State caught the terrorist who planned on blowing up LAX on 12/31/99). Then Clinton went into "battle stations" until Jan 1, 2000.

Sorry, but Clarke's story doesn't ring completely true. There's no way he could have put up with Clinton all those years and then come out and condemn the Bush admin for not taking AQ seriously until 9/11.

The admin better have a load of talking heads out on the talk shows this week to counter this idiot. Because w/o someone questioning Clarke on this, Bush looks terrible. And there's another side to this story. Just like there's another side to Iraq's ties to AQ.

I used to think ABC was the most anti-conservative network. I think CBS is outdoing Peteh.
159 posted on 03/21/2004 4:37:49 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: Endeavor
Oh, he just stepped over the line bigtime - new AQ terrorists hate us because of what Bush has done. What unadulterated horsesh*t! This guy is nutty and one seriously loose cannon.

160 posted on 03/21/2004 4:48:40 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: MaeWest
This is from one of the protests yesterday. I would have pummeled the fool.


161 posted on 03/21/2004 4:54:53 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am trying to stop an outbreak here and you are driving the monkey to the airport!)
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To: Endeavor
I was wondering just where you were in the book. You're right that Clarke is made out to be a hero in 'Losing bin Laden' which makes me wonder, did he stay quiet with all this information and make it seem like he wasn't a clinton (dem) sympathizer just to spring it now to make Bush and his admin. look bad, and oh btw, he's got 'credibility'...

It's too bad he's so ineffectual (doesn't play well with others) because he had the right idea about bin Laden. That Clarke made it nearly impossible by his behavior to make things happen in a timely fashion was made very evident in Leslie's interview.

Also thought provoking is why this morning Terry Moran on This Week looked so unexcited about this story as he reported it, he never misses an opportunity to enjoy a story he thinks is damaging to the president.

Clarke said many things that make him appear like an angry loon on 60 minutes and Leslie was nauseating as usual. I think CBS has a special distaste for President Bush.

162 posted on 03/21/2004 5:21:15 PM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
is that babs streisand? too thin for Alec Baldwin.
163 posted on 03/21/2004 5:49:13 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: BigWaveBetty
in the above rant, I meant to say I was surprised that Clarke could stay on throughout Clinton's impotence on finding Bin Laden, not Iraq. Altho Iraq, too!
164 posted on 03/21/2004 5:50:54 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: BigWaveBetty
take a look at Drudge - "Carter savages Bush and Blair - their war based on lies..."

I say we reinstitute the draft and call up Carter, Kennedy, Byrd, Pelosi, et al and send them on a recon mission to Mars. Oh, throw in Maxine Waters and the rest of those loonies in the congressional black caucus.
165 posted on 03/21/2004 5:56:19 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: Endeavor
LOL,,, trying imagine Kennedy & Byrd at Basic Training. Somebody would need to carry a defibulator in their backpacks.
166 posted on 03/21/2004 7:49:23 PM PST by Iowa Granny (Impersonating June Cleaver since 1967)
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To: Endeavor
What do you bet they find Carter's name among the list involved with the Oil for Food scam? Along with the rest of those you mentioned.

Interesting story I missed on Friday:

Official: Kerry failed to act on pre-9/11 tip
3rd agent to say he warned security lapses made Boston airport ripe for 'jihad' attack

WASHINGTON – A third federal aviation-security agent, one still with the government, has stepped forward to say he also warned Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry about security lapses at Boston's Logan International Airport before the 9-11 hijackings there.

Earlier this week, two former FAA agents said the Democratic presidential hopeful failed to take effective action after they gave him a prophetic warning that his home airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings.

Brian Sullivan, a retired special agent from the Boston area, advised Kerry in a May 7, 2001, letter (page 1, page 2) that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack." He cited serious breaches at Logan security checkpoints exposed by an undercover investigation he and another former agent helped a Boston TV news station conduct.

Sullivan says he had a copy of the undercover videotape hand-delivered to Kerry's office.

It turns out the person who delivered it was a senior FAA agent in Washington who's now with the Transportation Security Administration. The agent, Bogdan Dzakovic, headed covert testing of airport security across the country before TSA took over aviation security from FAA after 9-11.

In an exclusive interview, he says he gave the tape to Jamie Wise, a Kerry staffer at the time.

After the office visit, "I received no feedback from anyone there," Dzakovic told WorldNetDaily.

Kerry boasts in campaign ads he "sounded the alarm on terrorism years before 9-11."

But he waited three months to reply to Sullivan's letter. And his July 24, 2001, letter, a copy of which was obtained by WorldNetDaily, merely offers to pass Sullivan's warning on to the Transportation Department's inspector general – even though Sullivan had made it clear in his letter that going to his old agency was a dead end. He and other agents, including Dzakovic, had complained about security lapses for years and got nowhere.

"The DOT OIG has become an ineffective overseer of the FAA," Sullivan told Kerry.

He suggested Kerry show the tape to peers on committees with FAA oversight. He even volunteered to testify before them.

Yet the correspondence stopped there. Kerry never followed up with him.

"He just did the Washington shuffle," said Sullivan, who thinks Kerry had a chance to prevent the Boston hijackings.

Another former agent, Steve Elson, who set up the TV sting at Logan, tried to follow up with Kerry, but was told by Wise he wasn't a constituent. (Elson, formerly of the elite Red Team that did covert testing, was a Houston field agent at the time.)

He came unglued, warning the staffer that if Kerry didn't act soon he'd risk the lives of planeloads of his actual constituents.

"What would the senator say if a large plane filled with holiday travelers took off from Logan at Thanksgiving for somewhere in California and went – boom – spattering men, women, children and babies all over the landscape at a couple of hundred knots?" demanded Elson, an ex-Navy SEAL.

His warning now looks like prophecy: At least 82 Kerry constituents were murdered aboard American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175.

Elson says he also dealt with Gregg Rothschild, Kerry's legislative director at the time. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

Dzakovic laments the lack of attention to their warnings.

"We could have fed fish at the aquarium and accomplished just as much," he said.

Sullivan is perhaps the most frustrated. His two-page warning to Kerry four months before the Logan hijackings was eerily prescient.

"With the concept of jihad, do you think it would be difficult for a determined terrorist to get on a plane and destroy himself and all other passengers?" he wrote. "Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day. With our current screening, this is more than possible. It is almost likely."

The toll from such an attack would be economic, as well as human, he predicted with chilling accuracy.

And the Logan security failures he highlighted in the letter included breaches at the very checkpoints the hijackers would later exploit.

The undercover investigation by Fox affiliate WFXT in Boston showed crews penetrating security checkpoints at Logan with knives and other weapons in nine of 10 tries.

Elson says the crew, led by reporter Deborah Sherman, walked through with Leatherman tools concealed in fanny packs. The Leatherman is a fancy utility knife. The 9-11 hijackers used utility knives. Sherman says she also had no luck getting Kerry to act on the video he apparently saw.

"It was always being 'reviewed' every time I called," she said. "There was no comment or action taken on the senator's part other than passing the tape along to someone else."

Sullivan – a registered independent who's also critical of Bush's handling of aviation security, both before and since 9-11 – thinks Kerry could have saved the Twin Towers, which were toppled by the Boston jetliners, and thousands of lives.

"John Kerry should have – and could have – prevented 9-11," he said.

How? "He could have taken direct action to address the concerns we had identified by visiting Logan and the MassPort authorities at Logan or the Massachusetts State Police," he said.

If that didn't work to bring about corrective action, he could have applied political pressure by having Sullivan and other agents testify before Congress, he says.

"Enhanced security would have prevented the hijackings, virtually without question," Elson agreed. If nothing else, it might have discouraged ringleader Mohamed Atta, who monitored security procedures at Logan weeks before the hijackings.

Phone calls to Kerry's campaign were not returned.

Right after 9-11, he told the Boston Globe that he'd triggered an undercover probe of Logan security by the General Accounting Office in June 2001, based on the TV report.

Only, he wrote Sullivan no such thing in his July letter, stating only that he passed his warning and the tape on to Transportation, not GAO.

And GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, did not test security at Logan. (Kerry confessed he didn't know the outcome of the probe he says he initiated.)

GAO spokesman Jeff Nelligan says there is no evidence Kerry requested anything specific with regard to Logan, although he says GAO had communications with "a number of interested members and staff, including Sen. John Kerry's office" about airport screener testing work in 2001.

He would not elaborate.

Sullivan and Elson, joined by aviation-security experts David Forbes and Andrew Thomas, want to see Kerry called before the 9-11 Commission, as well as President Bush, to answer questions about what he knew about Logan's lapses, and specifically what he did about them, before that fateful day. They also recommend GAO and Transportation officials testify to sort out discrepancies in Kerry's story.

Calls to the panel were not immediately returned.

"We don't have to wait for a tragedy to occur to act," Sullivan urged Kerry in his letter. Link

Thanks for nothing again Mr. Kerry.

167 posted on 03/21/2004 7:58:55 PM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: Timeout

Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry 's Ketchum, Idaho vacation home on the Wood River is seen in this March 17, 2004 photo. Kerry is vacationing at his Ketchum home through Wednesday, March 24. He plans to return to the campaign trail Thursday with a Democratic fund-raiser in Washington.(AP Photo/Troy Maben)

168 posted on 03/21/2004 8:31:55 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: daisyscarlett
Just about to post that to you, sweet little place don't you think?

These pictures are just too funny!

Beginning to think Teresa is never happy.


169 posted on 03/21/2004 8:43:34 PM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, right, makes a joke about a rumor that Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) had a plastic surgery, holding photos of Kerry, left, and pop star Michael Jackson during the annual St. Patrick's Day breakfast in Boston, Sunday, March 21, 2004. The breakfast, which gave President Bush (news - web sites) and Kerry the opportunity to engage in some lighthearted, long-distance one-upmanship, has been a tradition for more than 50 years, and is a prelude to the annual South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade. Boston Mayor Thomas Menino is seen laughing in the foreground. (AP Photo/Chitose Suzuki)
170 posted on 03/21/2004 8:47:00 PM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Hey kiddo you are up late tonight...

Maybe Teresa is unhappy because she read this this thread...Andrea Mitchell: Hillary Wants VP Slot

171 posted on 03/21/2004 9:09:02 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: daisyscarlett
Good Morning! Great stuff you've been posting.
172 posted on 03/22/2004 3:49:31 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Impersonating June Cleaver since 1967)
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To: daisyscarlett
Nice digs, kinda like the ski cabin we used to rent in Tahoe...NOT!

173 posted on 03/22/2004 4:10:16 AM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Funny, I don't recall those former FAA agents' segment on 60 Minutes revealing their accusations against Kerry.

{{{scratch my head in wonder}}}
174 posted on 03/22/2004 4:13:01 AM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Not only does Teresa always appear unhappy, but I have yet to see her looking "glamourous," as some writers would have us believe. More like she just rolled out of bed. Just because she has a vaguely European accent, she's glamourous? Dahlinks!
175 posted on 03/22/2004 5:09:13 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: BigWaveBetty
RE: Clarke's accusations, specifically the one that the Bush admin was focused on Iraq in the months before 9/11.

When Condi and others address this, which I think they've done somewhat effectively, why don't they ever refresh the media's memory that it was during those months that Saddam was redoubling efforts to shoot down American aircraft in the no-fly zones? If I recall correctly, just about all the foreign affairs coverage at the time dealt with the increasing number of incidents and Saddam's increasing agressiveness.

They need to add this to their repertory.
176 posted on 03/22/2004 5:09:37 AM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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From PageSix:

We hear ... THAT the Secret Service is selecting agents who know how to windsurf for Sen. John Kerry's detail. The candidate and his wife Teresa Heinz are rumored to be going somewhere warm where Kerry can frolic on his sailboard after a visit to their Idaho spread.

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So are these guys going to be packing their .45s over their wetsuits? Will the ocean surf mess up their little earpiece thingeys? Will John Kerry look even dorkier and more out of touch than he does on a snowboard? Enquiring minds want to know.

177 posted on 03/22/2004 5:17:52 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: BigWaveBetty
The caption to the photo above of JFK and the dour Terayza is (no joke):

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) gives his wife, Teresa, a playful push as they leave Our Lady of the Snows Church in Ketchum, Idaho.

Just a fun-loving couple of kids, those two, but I'm confused. Shouldn't he have been at temple?

178 posted on 03/22/2004 5:25:37 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: daisyscarlett
Thanks for the links and good information - we indeed live in interesting times.

A wonderful week to one and all visiting here.
179 posted on 03/22/2004 5:57:55 AM PST by lodwick (Wake up, America!)
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To: mountaineer
So are these guys going to be packing their .45s over their wetsuits?

What kind of holster looks good with a wetsuit? Seriously, if they're carrying Glocks they can be taken in the water. The earpiece thingy will be a little more tricky. :)

Glad to see that Zsa-Zsa & Thursten Howell won't need to alter their active lifestyle.

180 posted on 03/22/2004 5:59:12 AM PST by pubmom
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To: pubmom
Zsa-Zsa & Thursten Howell

Exactly!

181 posted on 03/22/2004 7:42:28 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Iowa Granny
Beans are going to the moon...10451/2 as I type.
182 posted on 03/22/2004 8:21:08 AM PST by lodwick (Wake up, America!)
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To: lodwick
Rush will have Dick Cheney for 1/2 an hour! Tune in.
183 posted on 03/22/2004 9:09:00 AM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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To: mountaineer
"Will John Kerry look even dorkier and more out of touch than he does on a snowboard? Enquiring minds want to know."

I certainly hope so.

184 posted on 03/22/2004 9:47:28 AM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: All
Strange article I found in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Some women insist gays make great boyfriends.
185 posted on 03/22/2004 10:03:38 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Interesting enough, I guess.

Is there a shopping gene?
186 posted on 03/22/2004 10:22:17 AM PST by lodwick (Wake up, America!)
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To: lodwick
If there isn't a shopping gene, then it probably cannot be said of someone that he or she was "born to shop." Nature or nuture - you be the judge!
187 posted on 03/22/2004 11:14:20 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
More on Kerry's homes...all of these were Teresa's except for the Boston home. Teresa also has a "farm" in PA.

From a sailing mecca to a ski resort, presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, enjoy the trappings of their wealth in at least five homes and vacation getaways across the country valued at nearly $33 million.

Georgetown Home

Nantucket Home

Boston

188 posted on 03/22/2004 12:52:04 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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KERRY AND WIFE ENJOY MANY EXPENSIVE HOMES
189 posted on 03/22/2004 12:55:29 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: daisyscarlett; MaeWest; lodwick; mountaineer; BigWaveBetty; Iowa Granny; Hillary's Lovely Legs; ...
Here's a thoughtful article: http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak221.html
190 posted on 03/22/2004 1:36:33 PM PST by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: Endeavor
Thanks for the Novak column. I hope he is right about this:Spaniards bowed to terrorism when they voted. Americans are considerably less likely to make that choice.

The American Spectator Prowler has a good column for 3/23/04 LINK

So much for Kerry Catholicism. On Sunday, John Kerry showed up for the 10:30 Mass at Our Lady of the Snows Catholic Church at 10:41 a.m. (The church had roped off two pews for the VIP.) Adding further insult, Kerry arrived noisily, fully outfitted for skiing, not dressed for a religious service. Compounding the insult -- this time to all Catholics in good standings -- Kerry received the sacrament of Holy Eucharist, even though he's not considered to be a Catholic in good standing."

"It was just a media-op," says a Kerry advance staffer. "We set it up with some reporters that we knew were going to be there."

Kerry, who claims to be a practicing Roman Catholic (though lately he's been playing up his partial Jewishness), has consistently voted in support of abortion as both a state politician in Massachusetts and in his time in Washington. He has also spoken in support of euthanasia. He has stated that he disagrees with the Catholic position in both areas.

Under church law, Kerry's very public support of abortion disqualifies him from the sacraments. He is not known to be a regular Mass attendee. In fact, some Roman Catholics in Boston have in the past pressed for the bishops there to excommunicate Kerry for his refusal to accept Catholic doctrine and canon law.

Sen. Tom Daschle is finding himself in a similar position in South Dakota, where the bishop there has been rumored for months to be mulling excommunicating Daschle for his liberal positions on abortion.

191 posted on 03/22/2004 10:36:29 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: mountaineer
Check out this wierd Dana Milbank "article" in today's WashPost:
White House Notebook
GOP Exposé: Kerry, Closet Frenchman
I don't know what to make of it. My initial reaction was that Milbank is trying to resurrect Michael Kelly's writing style. I'd like your professional opinion.
192 posted on 03/23/2004 2:06:35 AM PST by Timeout (Down with Donks!)
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To: Timeout
Right back with a new thread...
193 posted on 03/23/2004 3:57:58 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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To: *The GUILD
New Thread!
194 posted on 03/23/2004 4:17:27 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (Have you forgotten - - How we felt that day?)
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