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When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this. All of this material is coming from an unknown, and unverifiable source. I think it is all coming from the SAME source, rather than several sources and each of the people "quoting the source" are simply passing on this information as second-hand rumor. I haven't heard or seen anything about such troop movements (NOT that I would ever post such a thing anyway, and I would think that most of you would know better too actually).

In other words, we don't know about the naval movements at this point with ANY sort of accuracy (and for obvious reasons if I KNEW about such things, I wouldn't verify it anyway). Since I don't know and I can assume that most of you don't know, we can all assume for the time being that if this type of information is being bandided about, it's NOT ACCURATE! One TV station link that says "seven of the twelve carriers" away from port at the same time. That means that it is unusual, but does it mean something else is going on? Not really. It means that conspiracists' minds want to "know" (or make up reasons for it).

Interesting bit on the HAM radio talk though.

Yeah, it was. Anyone got a link to the ACTUAL recording per chance? I just happen to ALSO be a ham radio operator, and hold an amateur extra class license (That's the highest license class in the US there is). I've worked in radio for well over 30 years both professionally and as an amateur radio operator, and have been listening to the short wave since I was about 8 or 9 years old. I'd love to hear this recording, if anyone knows where it is located.

11.176 Mhz (11176 khz) is assigned to the shortwave bands, however, I have actually USED that frequency with the military. The site "Above Top Secret" has some information on this as well (which I assume you got it from there?) I noted that Bushcountry was one of the links to the information... hmmm: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread48028/pg1 and http://www.bushcountry.org/news/may_news_pages/g_050204_withheld_earth_danger_inbound_meteors.htm

Anyway, about this whole communications thing.... I can't seem to find or verify anything in the way of callsigns on this frequency, but, starting tonight, I'll start monitoring the HF frequencies I DO know about and listening in (I have several SW receivers). For the record that frequency is NOT a ham band (that is we do not have operating priviledges there on that particular frequency). However, it isn't difficult for someone to transmit pretty much anywhere, given the right, albeit, somewhat expensive equipment.

Actually, I believe that exploding a nuke (or several nukes) near it would deflect it by a couple of tenths of degrees. If it is far enough out, that would be enough to cause it to miss the earth. However, as far as I know, we have no rocket capable of delivering a nuke that far.

The scenario is "IF we catch it in time". That is if we have years of time to plan it, that's possible. If something is discovered a few months from impact (or a few days) there is literally nothing whatsoever that can be done, save perhaps protecting the inland areas, assuming the rock will hit the ocean.

I visited Meteor Crater a couple of weeks back, something I've wanted to do since I was a child. It was AWESOME (the grand canyon is more awesome, but considering the way the two were formed, you have to get your mind around that concept!) as it was over a mile across, and about 3.5 miles in diameter. It was created only 50,000 years ago when a 150 foot-in-diameter nickle-iron meteor slammed into the planet. Life apparently survived, however that particular region probably lost most of the life around there. Assuming anything we have "coming in" is not much bigger, it's gonna cause a regional disaster. If it is bigger, we can only guess.

That's what I'd do with the fleet, if it were my call. Still, I am far from convinced with this meteorite-strike stuff. All that we have is one highly dubious source, and a lot of material from sites that say this kind of thing all the time, anyway.

I'm not convinced either. However, I say keep an open mind about it. On the other hand the "dubious source"... well, that speaks for itself, doesn't it? :)

Comets make rare joint appearance Unrelated. Comets LINEAR and NEAT have both been known about for months. I spent a few nights observing comet NEAT from a desert location in New Mexico in my travels recently. Both comets' paths take them around the sun and away from Earth. The calculations have been done to death. If I had my lap top with me I could tell you where to look tonight for them. So far, they have been right where predicted.

I alway find the "End of the World" Christians to be funny, if not kinda sad.

Don't blame it on "end of the world Christians". It's just end of the world people. Those who are Christian do not have anything to worry about. The ones who are always coming up with these conspiracies about the government are neither Christian nor are they even right wing people for the most part. Now, those that believe them are from ALL walks of life.

Stanton Friedman and Jim Hoagland

Not that I care you got his name wrong, because he and I do not get along well, hehehe, but it's RICHARD Hoagland. I think you should at least get it right though, since he's actually gone out on a limb with some of his ridicilous theories and been proven wrong (for the most part) and he has done other things I won't go into. Whomever JIM Hoagland is doesn't deserve having such stuff dropped in his backyard if he's not doing it. While RICHARD HOAGLAND on the other deserves everything coming to him. :)

If I were really determined to survive something like this, I'd move to the Rockies or someplace, pick my homesite with infinite care, have the ability to farm, hunt and fish and protect myself from any possible hordes of the unprepared. Unless a)The impact is of such violence that this is all moot, or b) I get squashed like a bug by having the rotten luck of being at Ground Zero.

Give RAFLEET and myself a holler when you get to the Rockies. :) That's where WE LIVE. haha. By the way, all the good fishing spots are already taken! So you'll have to share one of ours. :)

I agree. I have been called a racist, bigot, homophobe, intolerant @$$h0le, and other things less accurate... LESS ACCURATE? LOL! Good one :)

Don't know why, but it spooked me.

The idea IS to spook you. Conspiracy theorists the world over have practiced this art for several years now. They are getting "better at it". I've been involved in this "anomalies community" for a long, long time running forums, communicating with these folks, arguing with them and at times even taking up their cause (for the purposes of learning of course, never to pass on fake information) and over the years I think I've gotten a pretty good "feel" for the psychology of these folks. The point IS to scare you. A long time ago it was the survivalists being taken to task by the media, and the REASON for this if it isn't clear now, that there are anti-gun forces out there that simply want to make the right wing look bad. So, the infiltrated the groups and brought them down a few levels. It took a long time to show this to individuals, but we've managed to show it. I think Rafleet can even attest to this somewhat. Now, we have folks who simply like to cause panic, and are truely anarchists at heart. They WANT the world to end. They WANT people to panic. They WANT the world to come apart at the seams, stocks to crash, people to suffer, and above all they want complete anarchy to reign. The end of the world scenario is a deep dish of chocolate ice cream to them. ANYTHING they can do to make you DOUBT yourself, your faith, your world, your country, your very existence gives them a feeling of power over you.

It is for this reason that I'm even paying any attention to this thread. Normally, I'd have moved on, but there is something in my blood that just IRKS the hell out of me when people simply dismiss this sort of thing as "all kooks" and lump a lot of people together or worse, believe it without looking up the facts. In other words, those of us who are "survivalists", not unlike myself and RAFLEET, aren't kooks. We're dyed-in-the-wool, real, honest and down-to-earth people who look at things from the point of view that technology isn't what keeps us alive today, and that technology isn't what kept the human race alive in the past. The survival of the human race is something we all should be doing and thinking about. Dismissing these conspiracy folks, or their stories of death-asteroids is just as wrong though. They aren't people who are going to be there to HELP you along, if there IS a disaster, they will be there TAKING what you have. Furthermore, the asteroid scenario is REAL. Don't dismiss it, even if certain in-the-know scientists do that. It IS a real threat. An impact on this planet is something you ought to think about.

Remember Shoemake-Levy 9? That was the comet that was broken up into about 20-25 pieces as it passed Jupiter at some point in it's history, and was sucked up by Jupiter's gravity. One piece of that comet that hit Jupiter (all the pieces hit) produced more energy than ALL of the nuclear weapons on this planet put together and detonated at the same time. That WILL destory all life on this world. I would hope our destiny is something a little more than that of the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs had small brains and didn't understand what happened to them, we humans at least can conceive of such destruction, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

So, whether this Aussie guy is accurate or NOT is completely irrelevant, at least it makes you all THINK about it. That's good. What's bad is to simply be spooked by it and not bother to learn something new. :)

I guess that's all, this was a long message and my apologies for making it so long. Rick

When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this.

You have now.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146624/posts

I stand corrected on Hoagland's first name. As regards his stuff, I am neither a reflexive skeptic or true believer. Such matters as he investigates ought to have nothing to do with 'belief', only with evidence and investigation. He seems to see anomalous things as 'alien architecture', rather than 'what the hell is that' and 'what ELSE could it be'. In spite of this however, I appreciate that there are people looking for that kind of stuff. I haven't personally explored the surfaces of the Moon and Mars, so I can't say that it is free of someone else's garbage. I suspect that there isn't anything there, but I don't absolutely know that. You won't hear me call him or Friedman 'crackpots'. I just think that they're a little bit predisposed towards certain conclusions, which they also happen to be making a living off of.

Give RAFLEET and myself a holler when you get to the Rockies. :) That's where WE LIVE. haha. By the way, all the good fishing spots are already taken! So you'll have to share one of ours. :)

You don't want me there. With my luck, the supervolcano under Yellowstone would go up, instead.

The end of the world scenario is a deep dish of chocolate ice cream to them.

Sorta like a Hot Fudge Sundae

Lucifer's Hammer is the story of two amateur astronomers discovering the existence of a very large comet that promises to pass very close to Earth. Tim Hamner, a wealthy manufacturer who has a private observatory in the Sierras, and Gavin Brown, an Iowa schoolboy who ground his own lenses for his homemade telescope, are credited with near-simultaneous sighting of the comet. As the story progresses, the Hamner-Brown comet becomes the subject of a network news series and brings a U.S. Senator, Arthur Jellison, on board with proposals to fund a space mission for studying the comet. The mission turns into a joint US-USSR (remember them?) effort using leftover Apollo and Soyuz hardware (pre-Shuttle times, obviously). Further study shows a very close pass coming, maybe even a collision, and as the news gets out, a new religious cult, the Comet Wardens, starts up in Southern California. Their leader dubs the comet "The Hammer of God", much to Hamner's consternation, and Hammer Fever is on!

Scientists are drawn in for help on the network documentaries, and this leads to some black-comedic dialogue as some Jet Propulsion Laboratory people try to explain the possible effects of a collision:

"When the mass is above a certain size, it stops being important whether Earth has an atmosphere or not."

"Except to us," Forrester said, deadpan.

Sharps paused a second, then laughed... "What we need is a good analogy. Um..." Sharps' brow furrowed.

"Hot fudge sundae," said Forrester.

"Hah?"

Forrester's grin was wide through his beard. "A cubic mile of hot fudge sundae. Cometary speeds."

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Besides the obvious comparison from the Book, Lucifer's Hammer, The strike was on Tuesday, called "Hot Fudge Tuesday" in the book. It was in June(5th if I recall), but the teasers and other events leading up to the hit almost fit the script exactly as presented by AB.

-Mal