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To: Rick.Donaldson
When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this.

You have now.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146624/posts

I stand corrected on Hoagland's first name. As regards his stuff, I am neither a reflexive skeptic or true believer. Such matters as he investigates ought to have nothing to do with 'belief', only with evidence and investigation. He seems to see anomalous things as 'alien architecture', rather than 'what the hell is that' and 'what ELSE could it be'. In spite of this however, I appreciate that there are people looking for that kind of stuff. I haven't personally explored the surfaces of the Moon and Mars, so I can't say that it is free of someone else's garbage. I suspect that there isn't anything there, but I don't absolutely know that. You won't hear me call him or Friedman 'crackpots'. I just think that they're a little bit predisposed towards certain conclusions, which they also happen to be making a living off of.

109 posted on 06/03/2004 7:10:30 AM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: Riley
I think I corrected myself on that at some point (yes, I have read the news articles this morning), if I didn't correct it, I'm sorry. Also, while we have SEVEN out of the 12, I don't see what difference it makes, or how it is connected.

As to Hoagland.... I have nothing against his ideas in general. My personal beef with him is something I won't go into here. I've spent a lot of time "debunking" him on several issues though, and I'm right, he's wrong. That's all there is to say about it. I've dealt with him personally, and his "ethics" leaves something to be desired. I will NOT say that his ideas are "stupid". He might, after all be RIGHT. But, I WILL say we will never KNOW if is he right, one way or the other without physically visiting Mars and LOOKING with human eyes ourselves, for those things he 'sees' there.

As for Stanton Friedman, I've talked at length with him as well, about various things related to the UFO world. I believe he has some very good data (TOP SECRET: Majestic book about "The Majestic 12") and I wouldn't put him off as being a kook either. At least he, in direct comparison to Hoagland has his SCIENCE right. Hoagland on the other hand relies on a lot of non-scientific explanations, "Masonic relationships" and other nonsense stuff about hyperdimensional physics that can't actually be proven.
114 posted on 06/03/2004 7:27:29 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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Speaking of 'burrows', where exactly does the notion come from, apart from movies like 'Deep Impact', that one would be any safer underground?

This isn't just a 'bigger nuclear strike'. Personally, I'd just as soon take my chances on a bald hilltop on very high ground, rather than deal with the massive ground shock wave that's ring the Earth like a bell and possibly collapse even reinforced subterranean structures.

What we'd be looking at is an event that is part massive earthquake, part Tsunami, part falling debris and part atmospheric occlusion.

Ideally, I'd be in the mountains somewhere above the possibility of any seismic wave threat, and near the mouth of a cave in case debris starts falling out of the sky. I would in no case go farther into the cave than I could dig myself out of, should a collapse occur.

Having overhead cover is probably a really good idea. Being way underground, might not be.

I don't think that there's anything to this, at this time. It will happen eventually. It has many times in the past.
It makes for an interesting intellectual exercise though.

Suppose you're the President. You have been briefed that such an event is going to take place. When do you notify the public, or do you, at all? You can't possibly shelter them all. Is there a benefit to the public from notifying them? What are most people going to do with that warning, besides jump in their cars with the family pictures a day or two before 'impact day' and try to drive somewhere, making the roads useless to all?

On the other hand, the object is going to become public knowledge before it strikes. It isn't going to sneak up on us. Withholding such knowledge would be disatrous for not just a particular government, but for the concept of government.


119 posted on 06/03/2004 7:53:23 AM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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