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To: IdaBriggs
I am not saying your adherence to the tenets of your faith is wrong; I am saying other people have a right to love God in their own ways, and our civil laws should not be about defining “sin” but crime.

Since this is apparently the point you are trying to make, let's address it.

1. What people called 'crimes' are generally derived from the Ten Commandments. The concepts of sin and crime are closely linked.

2. No one wants to fund crime. On that same token, no one wants to fund sin. Most Americans, and most people on this website, are very 'live and let live' until it comes to having to actually fund things they don't believe in. That is where conflict begins.

3. Very, very, very few people are in favor of outlawing sin. We just want it to pay it's own way. If that sounds fair to you, then you'll get along fine with us.

17 posted on 08/13/2004 9:55:57 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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To: Steel Wolf

>1. What people called 'crimes' are generally derived from the Ten Commandments. The concepts of sin and crime are closely linked.

And I think you have hit the problem on the head. I don't want you to think I am ignoring your post, so I would like to come back to it. Its an extremely good one! Thank you!


108 posted on 08/13/2004 10:54:43 AM PDT by IdaBriggs
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To: Steel Wolf

neither homosexuality nor abortion are government-funded programs, so no problem then?


192 posted on 08/13/2004 5:08:39 PM PDT by the_apocalypse
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To: Steel Wolf

NOONE has "a right" to love God in their own way AND BE A CHRISTIAN...NO, we must love God his way, that means repenting of our sins and embracing his word...The Bible.
WE do not go to heaven by continuing in sins that GOD calls an abomination, that includes homosexuality, adultery, witchcraft, and other sins SPECIFICALLY declared unacceptably by God. WE don't make God acceptable to us, we make ourselves acceptable to God.

TRY to remember who it is that is going to let you into heaven, it isn't me or any of the other FREEPERS...it is GOD, and it is his BIBLE, his authority and his RULES. NOW, with that said... please understand GRACE in that you cannot keep his rules without his son living in your life and through you, God does not expect you to be able to do it on your own....but a homosexual or other sinner must renounce the sin, depart from it in order to continue with Christ in their life, by allowing Jesus Christ to do the work of keeping those sins out of the persons life.

Abortion is murder, plain and simple and should need no explanation. You plant tomatoes..you get tomatoes, you plant corn...you get corn. If you really are a gardner this should be a no brainer. The seed is dormant, not dead, it produces what it is....so does the seed of man (sperm and egg), so therefore it must be a BABY HUMAN, not something else that magically changes after three months...it was, is and shall be a human being, and we should not kill it at any stage of development.

Christianity is not a live and let live philosophy...Jesus said 'GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL'...WE must obey if we are christians, or we are disobeying our Lord. Why is that so hard to understand. We know Jesus personally, and we commune with him daily, our desire is to share that with everyone and our command from Jesus is to share that with everyone. If they don't want it, fine, we move on but do not ever expect us to change over to accepting sin as being perfectly fine with God, it isn't.


217 posted on 08/13/2004 7:03:02 PM PDT by Kackikat (,Kerry=the counterfeit, GWBush is the real deal!)
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