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The Guild 9-30-2004 I'm a real man too, I just don't have pictures to prove it...
Rush Limbaugh ^

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:54:23 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty

From the Kerry interview with Diane Sawyer.

RUSH: So Diane Sawyer says, "Okay, so tomorrow night the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him." She's holding up pictures of him wind surfing, by the way. She's holding up pictures of Kerry wind surfing and Bush chopping trees and clearing brush down there in Texas, and she says, "So tomorrow night, the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him, and that even his infamous wind surfing was an act of image rebellion, is there something about a candidate who wind surfs and snowboards up against these images? So is there a symbolism here you think people are responding to?"

KERRY: You know I do those things, too; I just didn't have those photographs taken, and I love doing everything --

RUSH: Stop the tape. Now, the question here didn't even make sense to me as I read it, but here's what he's answering to. She's holding up pictures of Bush clearing brush and Kerry wind surfing and says is this a bad image for you? And what he's saying is, "Oh, I clear brush, too. I clear brush, too. I do those things, too; I just don't have those photographs taken. I just didn't have those photographs." Just like there are no photographs when you fell down the ski slope, huh? He says he's got photos. [program observer interruption] No, he doesn't have any photographs. That's it. He's cleared brush at... I don't know if he means at Bush's ranch or not, that's a good question. Where has he cleared brush? Has he cleared brush up in Idaho at the ski chalet? Has he cleared brush up at Nantucket? Has he cleared brush in Beacon Hill to move the fire hydrant? Maybe he helps the gardeners. Maybe that's what he does, I don't know, but he says he's never taken pictures of it. So here's the rest of the bite.

KERRY: -- person. I'm going to be myself, Diane. That's what's important. You know, these pictures appear because I'm not trying to appear to be somebody different. I'm not trying to fake it. I'm going out and being who I am.

SAWYER: They portrayed him as elite sports and elitism?

KERRY: They've got to go talk to a lot of the guys who enjoy doing wind surfing and the guys I go with are, you know, regular, folks. They're carpenters and electricians, guys who work on the island. If they want to have fun with it, that's fine. What matters here are the American people, not what I do in a couple of hours when I have some free time to go get some exercise.

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Go get 'em girlie man.


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1 posted on 09/30/2004 5:54:24 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; mountaineer; Timeout; ClancyJ; BlessedAmerican; daisyscarlett; Rheo; ...

Debate time!


2 posted on 09/30/2004 5:55:02 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty

 

 

3 posted on 09/30/2004 6:14:45 PM PDT by Fintan (Oh...am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: Fintan
Ohhhhhhh, John Kerry is soggy limp wiener,
that is what he really likes to beeee...
'Cause when John Kerry's a soggy limp wiener,
Teresa and the butler toast Chablis!
4 posted on 10/01/2004 5:08:59 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty

I watched the debate in small increments (during commercial breaks for MXC, right you are, Ken), so as to avoid the possibility of throwing something at and through the TV, and it was frustrating as all get out. Every single time I switched channels, Kerry was talking - and lying his scrawny butt off. No wonder Dubya looked so disgusted - how can you talk about your own policies or accomplishments, when you first have to contradict every thing the opponent said? I don't think he did all he could to challenge Kerry's lies clearly and succinctly, unfortunately.


5 posted on 10/01/2004 5:14:23 AM PDT by mountaineer
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Maybe if at the very least FNC would report these stories other news organizations would eventually be shamed into reporting them too? It's sickening how the MSM treats our brave soldiers.

Iraq missions that work out are missing from mainstream media
Tim Chavez

Did you see the big headline or watch the top-of-the-newscast story about the success of our sons and daughters in Samarra, Iraq?

Of course, you didn't.

I found mention deep in stories from The Christian Science Monitor and The Associated Press. But it took e-mails from Marine officers in Iraq to relay the importance of this positive news — so I could tell you.

It shouldn't be this way. Yet journalism in America is broken. It has no foundation of values by which many Americans can relate and depend. The moral of this column is not about one side prevailing in news coverage on the war on terror. It's simply about fairness — about Americans getting both sides with the same prominence.

They're not. And media emphasis on Iraq being in chaos has coincided with John Kerry making the same pitch to voters. It makes you wonder, just as we did on the authenticity of Dan Rather's reporting. And now America knows about Rather's ruse.

''Samarra is a beaming success story over here,'' writes Lt. Col Jim Rose, a Tennessee Marine whose parents live in Old Hickory. ''We were getting ready for a take-down there right after Najaf. We told the locals, 'Hey, see what happened in Najaf? Is that what you want? Cause we're coming.' It took the locals about two days to get the bad guys out.''

Rose is based in the Sunni Triangle. That's where most U.S. casualties occur, where the Sunnis are supportive of terrorists coming in. Fallujah is there, along with Samarra and Najaf, where Marines drove terrorists out of one of Islam's holiest shrines.

Rose verified a message I received from another Marine officer in Iraq. He provided perspective missing in the media: ''Those achievements, more than anything else … account for the surge in violence in recent days — especially the violence directed at Iraqis by the insurgents. Both in Najaf and Samarra, ordinary people stepped out and took sides with the Iraqi government against the insurgents, and the bad guys are hopping mad. They are trying to instill fear once again.''

Rose asked: ''Why isn't the media covering Samarra?''

Instead, we get what reader Jim League of Smyrna complains about. He cited a picture and story featured at the top of Page 13A in Saturday's Tennessean:

''The perhaps 100 protesters get front-and-center billing, and the impression is that all of Iraq is unhappy. What is missing is perspective. Imagine a foreigner perusing the front page of The Tennessean. He reads about a 15-year-old-boy being chained to his bed for six weeks. Would he be justified in believing that all parents in America constrain their children? If he had no perspective and if his impression was selectively reinforced by subtle media or political pundits, this could be possible.''

Exactly. And what we get on TV is also just one side. Consider this story Rose saw reported: ''I was going through the battle damage assessment at my desk with NBC's Today on the TV. The attack occurred in the middle of the night. I had the footage of the attack on my computer, and here's Katie Couric (or whoever hosts it) showing the same bomb location.

''I had pictures of the bombed vehicles, which is how I knew she was talking about the same location. The next shot is kids being carried into a hospital. We had eyes on this for a long time. If there were kids in there, they were toting weapons or the terrorists used them as human shields. …

''I went to our Combat Operations Center and walked into them watching the same thing. I verified what I thought and spoke with our intelligence guys. They said the whole thing was staged and probably old footage. They track the footage and have seen repeat footage shown in the past. They also said to look at the footage and see if it makes sense. More often than not, it doesn't … pulling a child from rubble with relatively clean clothes. ''

Is NBC wrong and the Marines right? Americans deserve both sides to make up their minds.

''The Najaf shrine — HUNDREDS of dead women and children were brought out after Sadr left,'' Rose wrote. ''They (Sadr's supporters) rounded them up during the battle and brought them in to be executed. Why? Because they anticipated the Americans would eventually enter the shrine and walk into a media ambush. We never went in. The people of Najaf love us right now because of that. They hate Sadr and want him dead.

''Have you heard that one yet (in the media)?''

No we haven't. We just get one side. That's bad journalism — by a news media acting in concert with Kerry. Tennessean

6 posted on 10/01/2004 5:21:29 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Two items from Liz Smith:

'THEY ARE relentless, and that is why we secretly admire them. They just simply never, ever give up. Only 30 percent of the country calls itself Republican, yet they own it all — the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of governorships . . . It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast!" This is the letter that controversial filmmaker Michael Moore has sent fellow Democrats. He advises them: "Enough of the hand-wringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Look at us, what a bunch of crybabies!"

What an idiot. And this:

I WAS EAGER to see some early portion of Kitty Kelley's book about the Bush family, but never received a review copy. An early offer of some inside stuff from "The Family" was sent but then withdrawn by one of Kitty's press agents.

Now the correspondence between her publisher, Doubleday, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), as reported by Richard Leiby in The Washington Post, is making pre-election waves. DeLay was miffed to receive an unsolicited copy of Kitty's opus. He returned the book COD, writing, "The book would reflect poorly on its author, if, in fact, any reasonable person still respected her at this advanced stage of her pathological career.

"Instead . . . it reflects poorly on the Doubleday name and everyone associated with your company. Ms. Kelley is neither journalist nor scholar. She is a junior-high gossipmonger whose writing should be passed in notes during study hall, not printed in books by the same company that published Rudyard Kipling, Booker T. Washington and Anne Frank.

"Her books are malicious, dishonest, undermine political discourse and corrupt the good name of American letters . . . But perhaps I understate."

Doubleday's reps responded: "We certainly respect Mr. DeLay's right to his opinion, but we are proud to publish KK's work." Kelley's own spokeswoman said: "Considering the many ethical inquiries surrounding Rep. DeLay, we understand why he prefers not to accept anything free right now."

Meow! Incidentally, Kitty's TV demeanor has been something to see. No matter how her detractors hammer, she stays cool, confident, poised and smiling sweetly. Her book is the No. 1 best seller. And do I believe that the divorced Sharon Bush, the president's former sister-in-law, gave Kitty the story about George W. Bush's past misbehavior? I do, because Sharon has tried to tell that story to just about anybody in the press who can spell C-A-T.

7 posted on 10/01/2004 5:39:04 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
I agree, Kerry is a lying slug. Did you notice that Kerry seemed to be communicating with someone in the audience? At one point he was mouthing words. Mostly he'd nod and smile at whomever and it was strange because GWB would be making a point about Kerry's disrespect or inconsistencies and on the split screen, Kerry's standing there nodding, smiling like he was agreeing with the president that he is a complete *deleted* head.

Reading the Live debate thread was no fun. Lots of long time freepers threw GWB overboard before the debate was finished and saying that Kerry had won. Ick, it made my skin crawl. But you're right GWB left many of the lies unchallenged, like when Kerry pulled out the 16 words in the State of the Union lie. But I guess when you've got lies flying at you from EVERY answer it's very difficult to answer them all.

For reference, debate transcript.

8 posted on 10/01/2004 5:42:23 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Tough choice - watch the debate and throw something at the TV, or read the live thread of nattering nabobs at FR and put my fist through the computer monitor. Decisions, decisions.

Here's some happy news:

Just three weeks after emergency quadruple bypass surgery, a thin but surefooted Bill Clinton is back to hitting his walking points. Yesterday, he stopped into a Chappaqua, Westchester County, pharmacy wearing baggy jeans and Nike hiking shoes and carried his own brown bag of prescription medication [Prescriptions in a plain brown wrapper? Hmmmm] out to an idling SUV. full story

9 posted on 10/01/2004 5:51:26 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Yo, Mickey, shove another wiener slathered in peanut butter in your pie hole.

She is a junior-high gossipmonger whose writing should be passed in notes during study hall, not printed in books by the same company that published Rudyard Kipling, Booker T. Washington and Anne Frank.

Her books are malicious, dishonest, undermine political discourse and corrupt the good name of American letters . . . But perhaps I understate."

Awww, you gotta love Tom Delay, he really knows how to squash a slimy little bug!

Kitty's TV demeanor has been something to see. No matter how her detractors hammer, she stays cool, confident, poised and smiling sweetly.

Uh, nope. I saw two interviews with Kitty, one with Lauer, one with Matthews. Matthews really hammered her and she wasn't happy about it at all. Matthews gets very angry when he thinks he's got something juicy, then he reads the book and discovers it's a pile of manure he has no qualms about cutting the author's throat.

10 posted on 10/01/2004 6:03:24 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty

My take on the debate:
Bush seemed tired and unengaged, yet clear on what he wants to do. He slumped against the podium way too much. Somewhat repetitive, which eventually sounded pre-programmed. Camera caught him looking plainy irritated and contemptuous of Kerry. He didn't use the prism of 9/11, which was a big mistake. He should have framed every answer with a reminder of what the evil-doers did on 9/11. I'd give him a B-.

Kerry: More Clintonesque in his ability (and willingness) to lie and distort Bush's record. I think their strategy was pre-planned, too: tell so many lies that Bush will have to choose between countering them or sticking to his message (Bush chose the latter). Kerry was Un-Clintonesque in personal appeal to the great unwashed. But he came across as a serious contender and that will help him (if nothing else his base is fired up again). From the probably viewpoint of a voter following this race from the periphery: I'd give Kerry and A-.

If nothing else, Bush now has to be at the top of his game for the domestic policy debate. A wake up call.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 6:21:19 AM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: mountaineer
Bill carried his own medication! He probably had a Snickers candy bar in there (trying no to let my mind go to the bad place!!).

Ryan said Clinton, "looked like himself, just a little bit quieter."

Ahhh, bet that was a refreshing change from all that bloviating he usually does.

File this one under, we've exhausted almost every excuse possible but they'll never see this one coming!

Miami (CNSNews.com) - An African-American civil rights spokeswoman said on Wednesday that the new computerized voting machines "terrify" her, and that blacks are "afraid of machines like that."

Joanne Bland, the director and co-founder of the National Voting Rights Museum and Institute in Selma, Ala., told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that the new computerized voting machines are going to intimidate black voters in Florida and elsewhere and suppress their vote in the November presidential election because many blacks are not "technologically savvy."

"The computers really terrify me. The electronic voting -- the new machines -- I think it will turn off a segment in my community, particularly the elderly. We are not as technically savvy, and we are afraid of machines like that, and they (African-Americans) probably won't go [to the polls] and they probably won't ask for assistance, said Bland, who spent the last week in Florida. More

One more... A good morning slam for Mr. Smartypants:

Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - It was all very well for Senator John F. Kerry to say he would open bilateral talks with North Korea should he win November's election, but the Democratic candidate should indicate whether he was also willing to enter such talks on Pyongyang's conditions, a Korean expert said Friday. "Kerry is either ignoring or ignorant of the fact that any bilateral dialogue between Washington and Pyongyang -- if it should to take place -- would have to take place on the conditions laid down by North Korea," said Lee Dong-bok, senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Lee was commenting on Kerry's assertions during Thursday's televised debate against President Bush that he would want to hold bilateral talks with Pyongyang covering the current nuclear crisis and other issues. During their debate, Bush and Kerry presented two different views of how the impasse over North Korea's nuclear programs had come about in the first place. Full Story ... a bad news for Effin' read.

12 posted on 10/01/2004 6:26:57 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: BigWaveBetty

I did not watch the question and answer event last evening; but it's interesting to read the wide range of opinions as to who "won."

Bush supporters believe Kerry won, and Bush haters believe that Bush won.

I don't get it.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 6:29:52 AM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: BigWaveBetty
I loved at the end when Kerry said that Laura was a wonderful first lady...he never mentioned T. at all last night and neither did W although he congratulated Lurch on being a good Dad and having two great daughters...T, as usual, was a mess..looking stoned and unkempt...Bless her heart...


14 posted on 10/01/2004 6:48:58 AM PDT by daisyscarlett
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To: BigWaveBetty
Johnny McCain had the best seat in the house...(Love the shoes, girls)..


15 posted on 10/01/2004 6:58:47 AM PDT by daisyscarlett
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To: lodwick
"Bush supporters believe Kerry won, and Bush haters believe that Bush won. "

I think it's because Bush supporters 'know' that Bush could have put Kerry away for good with phrases like: "You don't train people quickly, you train them right. Speeding up the training of Iraqi soldiers would make alot of dead Iraqi soldiers, not peace." , "The added security measures at both conventions were done to protect the people, it's proof that we are doing every thing we can, not proof that the risk is greater.", "You do know that France and Germany have already stated that they aren't going to put troops into Iraq no matter who wins don't you John? It was in the papers the other day."

Kerry supporters would have loved it if Kerry had said something during one of Bush's 'deer in the headlights' pauses like "You ok Mr. President?" or tried to guess what word the president was struggling with.

Both sides wanted red meet and their wasn't much of that.

As a Bush Supporter I was hoping that Kerry's 'I'm better than you' personality would come through. It didn't. He did a pretty decent job of not sounding like a pompous ass. That's a bonus for him.

16 posted on 10/01/2004 6:59:51 AM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76

Thanks for helping me out here - the lack of "blood on the floor" makes complete sense.

With at least three months of negotiations, scripting, and perfecting this event, there should be no wonder that red meat was not served last evening.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 7:09:54 AM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: Timeout
Good assessment. But there's something fishy going on... more on that later.

GWB's slumping surprized me, he looked drained from time to time. The Bush campaign is saying this morning that GWB was emotionally drained from his visit with hurricane victims. I don't know whether that's an attempt at getting some sympathy from FL voters or he was just plain tired.

It must be an act of incredible strength to stand in the same room with Effin', a horrible man that will say or do anything to achieve his political goals. Knowing what I know about GWB, can't imagine he suffers opportunists well. It showed, it probably shouldn't have. But I've also read some accounts this morning from observers (undecideds) that think Kerry was an arrogant prick. Don't forget, Kerry also made many gaffes, the media is ignoring those for the most part and concentrating on how great Kerry didn't bomb. Here's where the fishy part comes in.

Many Freepers were convinced last night that Leher gave Kerry the questions ahead of time, they thought he was way too smooth with his answers. Contrasting last night's smoothness with the clumsy answers he gave in the Diane Sawyer interview. I have no opinion on whether Leher cheated but it did seem lop sided.

The other fishy part; last night MSNBC was supposed to have Frank Luntz with his turn dial reaction poll of undecideds. He never appeared nor did his segment. Why? Too many undecideds thought GWB was better? Now this morning MSNBC has four undecideds on and two of them were supposed to be republicans. They thought Kerry was magnificent. Their reasons stunk to high heaven and weren't even close to what a republican, who say they voted for Bush in 2000, would be thinking. One (didn't catch party affiliation) was so stupid she didn't understand why they didn't talk at all about healthcare. *oh my head hurts* And then all the website polls,,, all with Kerry in an overwhelming lead regarding who won the debate.

There were lots and lots of incorrect or impossible statements Kerry made last night (like the NK story I posted to mountaineer above) and the MSM is working extra hard to keep those gaffes under wraps. All things considered, it's a bit gamy at the networks this morning. And Joe Lockhart has his 'deer caught in the headlights look' going on again. I remember that look, it's the one he had every day when he would face the DC press corps and keep clinton's lie alive.

Could very well be a wake up call, then I remember how GWB loves strategery. :-)

This story could be a Kerry sinker, if it ever makes it to the light of day...

S.D. school crisis plan is found on disk in Iraq

A man arrested by U.S. authorities in Iraq had a computer disk in his possession containing a public report downloaded from a U.S. Department of Education Web site on crisis planning in school districts, including San Diego Unified.

The man was described as an Iraqi national with connections to terrorism and the insurgency that is fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. Officials in San Diego said the man's intentions were unknown.

Hmmmm, wonder what that terrorists intentions were? That school terror scenario you gave a while back, it could be closer than we think.

18 posted on 10/01/2004 7:24:52 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: daisyscarlett
I loved at the end when Kerry said that Laura was a wonderful first lady...he never mentioned T. at all last night and neither did W although he congratulated Lurch on being a good Dad and having two great daughters

That was a nice break and Teresa who? Thanks for the reminder, had slipped my mind.

Yep, old T was flying high last night. Poor Laura!


19 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:13 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: lodwick
Me neither. But this Bush supporter thought he won and so did my son. Go figure.
20 posted on 10/01/2004 7:33:00 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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