Skip to comments.The Guild 9-30-2004 I'm a real man too, I just don't have pictures to prove it...
Posted on 09/30/2004 5:54:23 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty
From the Kerry interview with Diane Sawyer.
RUSH: So Diane Sawyer says, "Okay, so tomorrow night the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him." She's holding up pictures of him wind surfing, by the way. She's holding up pictures of Kerry wind surfing and Bush chopping trees and clearing brush down there in Texas, and she says, "So tomorrow night, the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him, and that even his infamous wind surfing was an act of image rebellion, is there something about a candidate who wind surfs and snowboards up against these images? So is there a symbolism here you think people are responding to?"
KERRY: You know I do those things, too; I just didn't have those photographs taken, and I love doing everything --
RUSH: Stop the tape. Now, the question here didn't even make sense to me as I read it, but here's what he's answering to. She's holding up pictures of Bush clearing brush and Kerry wind surfing and says is this a bad image for you? And what he's saying is, "Oh, I clear brush, too. I clear brush, too. I do those things, too; I just don't have those photographs taken. I just didn't have those photographs." Just like there are no photographs when you fell down the ski slope, huh? He says he's got photos. [program observer interruption] No, he doesn't have any photographs. That's it. He's cleared brush at... I don't know if he means at Bush's ranch or not, that's a good question. Where has he cleared brush? Has he cleared brush up in Idaho at the ski chalet? Has he cleared brush up at Nantucket? Has he cleared brush in Beacon Hill to move the fire hydrant? Maybe he helps the gardeners. Maybe that's what he does, I don't know, but he says he's never taken pictures of it. So here's the rest of the bite.
KERRY: -- person. I'm going to be myself, Diane. That's what's important. You know, these pictures appear because I'm not trying to appear to be somebody different. I'm not trying to fake it. I'm going out and being who I am.
SAWYER: They portrayed him as elite sports and elitism?
KERRY: They've got to go talk to a lot of the guys who enjoy doing wind surfing and the guys I go with are, you know, regular, folks. They're carpenters and electricians, guys who work on the island. If they want to have fun with it, that's fine. What matters here are the American people, not what I do in a couple of hours when I have some free time to go get some exercise.
Go get 'em girlie man.
I watched the debate in small increments (during commercial breaks for MXC, right you are, Ken), so as to avoid the possibility of throwing something at and through the TV, and it was frustrating as all get out. Every single time I switched channels, Kerry was talking - and lying his scrawny butt off. No wonder Dubya looked so disgusted - how can you talk about your own policies or accomplishments, when you first have to contradict every thing the opponent said? I don't think he did all he could to challenge Kerry's lies clearly and succinctly, unfortunately.
Iraq missions that work out are missing from mainstream media
Did you see the big headline or watch the top-of-the-newscast story about the success of our sons and daughters in Samarra, Iraq?
Of course, you didn't.
I found mention deep in stories from The Christian Science Monitor and The Associated Press. But it took e-mails from Marine officers in Iraq to relay the importance of this positive news so I could tell you.
It shouldn't be this way. Yet journalism in America is broken. It has no foundation of values by which many Americans can relate and depend. The moral of this column is not about one side prevailing in news coverage on the war on terror. It's simply about fairness about Americans getting both sides with the same prominence.
They're not. And media emphasis on Iraq being in chaos has coincided with John Kerry making the same pitch to voters. It makes you wonder, just as we did on the authenticity of Dan Rather's reporting. And now America knows about Rather's ruse.
''Samarra is a beaming success story over here,'' writes Lt. Col Jim Rose, a Tennessee Marine whose parents live in Old Hickory. ''We were getting ready for a take-down there right after Najaf. We told the locals, 'Hey, see what happened in Najaf? Is that what you want? Cause we're coming.' It took the locals about two days to get the bad guys out.''
Rose is based in the Sunni Triangle. That's where most U.S. casualties occur, where the Sunnis are supportive of terrorists coming in. Fallujah is there, along with Samarra and Najaf, where Marines drove terrorists out of one of Islam's holiest shrines.
Rose verified a message I received from another Marine officer in Iraq. He provided perspective missing in the media: ''Those achievements, more than anything else account for the surge in violence in recent days especially the violence directed at Iraqis by the insurgents. Both in Najaf and Samarra, ordinary people stepped out and took sides with the Iraqi government against the insurgents, and the bad guys are hopping mad. They are trying to instill fear once again.''
Rose asked: ''Why isn't the media covering Samarra?''
Instead, we get what reader Jim League of Smyrna complains about. He cited a picture and story featured at the top of Page 13A in Saturday's Tennessean:
''The perhaps 100 protesters get front-and-center billing, and the impression is that all of Iraq is unhappy. What is missing is perspective. Imagine a foreigner perusing the front page of The Tennessean. He reads about a 15-year-old-boy being chained to his bed for six weeks. Would he be justified in believing that all parents in America constrain their children? If he had no perspective and if his impression was selectively reinforced by subtle media or political pundits, this could be possible.''
Exactly. And what we get on TV is also just one side. Consider this story Rose saw reported: ''I was going through the battle damage assessment at my desk with NBC's Today on the TV. The attack occurred in the middle of the night. I had the footage of the attack on my computer, and here's Katie Couric (or whoever hosts it) showing the same bomb location.
''I had pictures of the bombed vehicles, which is how I knew she was talking about the same location. The next shot is kids being carried into a hospital. We had eyes on this for a long time. If there were kids in there, they were toting weapons or the terrorists used them as human shields.
''I went to our Combat Operations Center and walked into them watching the same thing. I verified what I thought and spoke with our intelligence guys. They said the whole thing was staged and probably old footage. They track the footage and have seen repeat footage shown in the past. They also said to look at the footage and see if it makes sense. More often than not, it doesn't pulling a child from rubble with relatively clean clothes. ''
Is NBC wrong and the Marines right? Americans deserve both sides to make up their minds.
''The Najaf shrine HUNDREDS of dead women and children were brought out after Sadr left,'' Rose wrote. ''They (Sadr's supporters) rounded them up during the battle and brought them in to be executed. Why? Because they anticipated the Americans would eventually enter the shrine and walk into a media ambush. We never went in. The people of Najaf love us right now because of that. They hate Sadr and want him dead.
''Have you heard that one yet (in the media)?''
No we haven't. We just get one side. That's bad journalism by a news media acting in concert with Kerry. Tennessean
'THEY ARE relentless, and that is why we secretly admire them. They just simply never, ever give up. Only 30 percent of the country calls itself Republican, yet they own it all the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of governorships . . . It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast!" This is the letter that controversial filmmaker Michael Moore has sent fellow Democrats. He advises them: "Enough of the hand-wringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Look at us, what a bunch of crybabies!"
What an idiot. And this:
I WAS EAGER to see some early portion of Kitty Kelley's book about the Bush family, but never received a review copy. An early offer of some inside stuff from "The Family" was sent but then withdrawn by one of Kitty's press agents.
Now the correspondence between her publisher, Doubleday, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), as reported by Richard Leiby in The Washington Post, is making pre-election waves. DeLay was miffed to receive an unsolicited copy of Kitty's opus. He returned the book COD, writing, "The book would reflect poorly on its author, if, in fact, any reasonable person still respected her at this advanced stage of her pathological career.
"Instead . . . it reflects poorly on the Doubleday name and everyone associated with your company. Ms. Kelley is neither journalist nor scholar. She is a junior-high gossipmonger whose writing should be passed in notes during study hall, not printed in books by the same company that published Rudyard Kipling, Booker T. Washington and Anne Frank.
"Her books are malicious, dishonest, undermine political discourse and corrupt the good name of American letters . . . But perhaps I understate."
Doubleday's reps responded: "We certainly respect Mr. DeLay's right to his opinion, but we are proud to publish KK's work." Kelley's own spokeswoman said: "Considering the many ethical inquiries surrounding Rep. DeLay, we understand why he prefers not to accept anything free right now."
Meow! Incidentally, Kitty's TV demeanor has been something to see. No matter how her detractors hammer, she stays cool, confident, poised and smiling sweetly. Her book is the No. 1 best seller. And do I believe that the divorced Sharon Bush, the president's former sister-in-law, gave Kitty the story about George W. Bush's past misbehavior? I do, because Sharon has tried to tell that story to just about anybody in the press who can spell C-A-T.
Reading the Live debate thread was no fun. Lots of long time freepers threw GWB overboard before the debate was finished and saying that Kerry had won. Ick, it made my skin crawl. But you're right GWB left many of the lies unchallenged, like when Kerry pulled out the 16 words in the State of the Union lie. But I guess when you've got lies flying at you from EVERY answer it's very difficult to answer them all.
For reference, debate transcript.
Here's some happy news:
Just three weeks after emergency quadruple bypass surgery, a thin but surefooted Bill Clinton is back to hitting his walking points. Yesterday, he stopped into a Chappaqua, Westchester County, pharmacy wearing baggy jeans and Nike hiking shoes and carried his own brown bag of prescription medication [Prescriptions in a plain brown wrapper? Hmmmm] out to an idling SUV. full story
She is a junior-high gossipmonger whose writing should be passed in notes during study hall, not printed in books by the same company that published Rudyard Kipling, Booker T. Washington and Anne Frank.
Her books are malicious, dishonest, undermine political discourse and corrupt the good name of American letters . . . But perhaps I understate."
Awww, you gotta love Tom Delay, he really knows how to squash a slimy little bug!
Kitty's TV demeanor has been something to see. No matter how her detractors hammer, she stays cool, confident, poised and smiling sweetly.
Uh, nope. I saw two interviews with Kitty, one with Lauer, one with Matthews. Matthews really hammered her and she wasn't happy about it at all. Matthews gets very angry when he thinks he's got something juicy, then he reads the book and discovers it's a pile of manure he has no qualms about cutting the author's throat.
My take on the debate:
Bush seemed tired and unengaged, yet clear on what he wants to do. He slumped against the podium way too much. Somewhat repetitive, which eventually sounded pre-programmed. Camera caught him looking plainy irritated and contemptuous of Kerry. He didn't use the prism of 9/11, which was a big mistake. He should have framed every answer with a reminder of what the evil-doers did on 9/11. I'd give him a B-.
Kerry: More Clintonesque in his ability (and willingness) to lie and distort Bush's record. I think their strategy was pre-planned, too: tell so many lies that Bush will have to choose between countering them or sticking to his message (Bush chose the latter). Kerry was Un-Clintonesque in personal appeal to the great unwashed. But he came across as a serious contender and that will help him (if nothing else his base is fired up again). From the probably viewpoint of a voter following this race from the periphery: I'd give Kerry and A-.
If nothing else, Bush now has to be at the top of his game for the domestic policy debate. A wake up call.
Ryan said Clinton, "looked like himself, just a little bit quieter."
Ahhh, bet that was a refreshing change from all that bloviating he usually does.
File this one under, we've exhausted almost every excuse possible but they'll never see this one coming!
Miami (CNSNews.com) - An African-American civil rights spokeswoman said on Wednesday that the new computerized voting machines "terrify" her, and that blacks are "afraid of machines like that."
Joanne Bland, the director and co-founder of the National Voting Rights Museum and Institute in Selma, Ala., told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that the new computerized voting machines are going to intimidate black voters in Florida and elsewhere and suppress their vote in the November presidential election because many blacks are not "technologically savvy."
"The computers really terrify me. The electronic voting -- the new machines -- I think it will turn off a segment in my community, particularly the elderly. We are not as technically savvy, and we are afraid of machines like that, and they (African-Americans) probably won't go [to the polls] and they probably won't ask for assistance, said Bland, who spent the last week in Florida. More
One more... A good morning slam for Mr. Smartypants:
Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - It was all very well for Senator John F. Kerry to say he would open bilateral talks with North Korea should he win November's election, but the Democratic candidate should indicate whether he was also willing to enter such talks on Pyongyang's conditions, a Korean expert said Friday. "Kerry is either ignoring or ignorant of the fact that any bilateral dialogue between Washington and Pyongyang -- if it should to take place -- would have to take place on the conditions laid down by North Korea," said Lee Dong-bok, senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Lee was commenting on Kerry's assertions during Thursday's televised debate against President Bush that he would want to hold bilateral talks with Pyongyang covering the current nuclear crisis and other issues. During their debate, Bush and Kerry presented two different views of how the impasse over North Korea's nuclear programs had come about in the first place. Full Story ... a bad news for Effin' read.
I did not watch the question and answer event last evening; but it's interesting to read the wide range of opinions as to who "won."
Bush supporters believe Kerry won, and Bush haters believe that Bush won.
I don't get it.
I think it's because Bush supporters 'know' that Bush could have put Kerry away for good with phrases like: "You don't train people quickly, you train them right. Speeding up the training of Iraqi soldiers would make alot of dead Iraqi soldiers, not peace." , "The added security measures at both conventions were done to protect the people, it's proof that we are doing every thing we can, not proof that the risk is greater.", "You do know that France and Germany have already stated that they aren't going to put troops into Iraq no matter who wins don't you John? It was in the papers the other day."
Kerry supporters would have loved it if Kerry had said something during one of Bush's 'deer in the headlights' pauses like "You ok Mr. President?" or tried to guess what word the president was struggling with.
Both sides wanted red meet and their wasn't much of that.
As a Bush Supporter I was hoping that Kerry's 'I'm better than you' personality would come through. It didn't. He did a pretty decent job of not sounding like a pompous ass. That's a bonus for him.
Thanks for helping me out here - the lack of "blood on the floor" makes complete sense.
With at least three months of negotiations, scripting, and perfecting this event, there should be no wonder that red meat was not served last evening.
GWB's slumping surprized me, he looked drained from time to time. The Bush campaign is saying this morning that GWB was emotionally drained from his visit with hurricane victims. I don't know whether that's an attempt at getting some sympathy from FL voters or he was just plain tired.
It must be an act of incredible strength to stand in the same room with Effin', a horrible man that will say or do anything to achieve his political goals. Knowing what I know about GWB, can't imagine he suffers opportunists well. It showed, it probably shouldn't have. But I've also read some accounts this morning from observers (undecideds) that think Kerry was an arrogant prick. Don't forget, Kerry also made many gaffes, the media is ignoring those for the most part and concentrating on how great Kerry didn't bomb. Here's where the fishy part comes in.
Many Freepers were convinced last night that Leher gave Kerry the questions ahead of time, they thought he was way too smooth with his answers. Contrasting last night's smoothness with the clumsy answers he gave in the Diane Sawyer interview. I have no opinion on whether Leher cheated but it did seem lop sided.
The other fishy part; last night MSNBC was supposed to have Frank Luntz with his turn dial reaction poll of undecideds. He never appeared nor did his segment. Why? Too many undecideds thought GWB was better? Now this morning MSNBC has four undecideds on and two of them were supposed to be republicans. They thought Kerry was magnificent. Their reasons stunk to high heaven and weren't even close to what a republican, who say they voted for Bush in 2000, would be thinking. One (didn't catch party affiliation) was so stupid she didn't understand why they didn't talk at all about healthcare. *oh my head hurts* And then all the website polls,,, all with Kerry in an overwhelming lead regarding who won the debate.
There were lots and lots of incorrect or impossible statements Kerry made last night (like the NK story I posted to mountaineer above) and the MSM is working extra hard to keep those gaffes under wraps. All things considered, it's a bit gamy at the networks this morning. And Joe Lockhart has his 'deer caught in the headlights look' going on again. I remember that look, it's the one he had every day when he would face the DC press corps and keep clinton's lie alive.
Could very well be a wake up call, then I remember how GWB loves strategery. :-)
This story could be a Kerry sinker, if it ever makes it to the light of day...
A man arrested by U.S. authorities in Iraq had a computer disk in his possession containing a public report downloaded from a U.S. Department of Education Web site on crisis planning in school districts, including San Diego Unified.
The man was described as an Iraqi national with connections to terrorism and the insurgency that is fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. Officials in San Diego said the man's intentions were unknown.
Hmmmm, wonder what that terrorists intentions were? That school terror scenario you gave a while back, it could be closer than we think.
That was a nice break and Teresa who? Thanks for the reminder, had slipped my mind.
Yep, old T was flying high last night. Poor Laura!
Yikes. That school thing scares me.
As for Bush's facial expressions, I thought that contemptuous look would have been more effective if he had used it at only a few well-timed moments in the debate.
One other Kerryism I hope Bush will counter in the next few days: Kerry kept saying Iraq/Hussein was a "distraction" from getting bin Laden. Bush needs to distinguish between chasing down those who've already attacked VS. dealing with future threats. Kerry agrees with Bush that Hussein was a threat.
Looks like even the dresses were negotiated (and both ladies lost out.)
Glancing at the threads here, and elsewhere: no one won this event...people are all over the map on this one.
Really, Laura's suit is much nicer. Better fit, better design, better fabric. Teresa's suit looks like she bought it at Sears.
did you see the one time after a response POTUS winked (at I am guessing Laura).. it was a quick, "knowing" wink
My guess it is less fitted again for her girth. My second guess is that it cost at least 10 times as much as Laura's.
Both W and Lurch had campaign appearances after the debate. Note how good Bush looks; he is a campaigner, not a debater.
And Lurch and his daughter do not look real happy, do not look overjoyed about the debate, like they are having a serious conversation, as in, Lurch telling Nessa that she and her sis just have to move in the WH and be First Ladies because stepmoney pales next to Laura...hee hee...(I really do think if Lurch wins, T. will be sedated and sent off to the farm, ski lodge and beach home on a regular basis).
heheh - I wish the ladies were running for POTUS: they dang sure couldn't do any worse than we men have for the past century, or so...and would probably do a heck of a lot better job of it.
Im not enthused about a summit, unless we get to set the agenda. Item one: get over the frickin Jews, people. Theyre not going anywhere, and if they do theyre taking all of you with them. Item two: You poke the hornets nest one more time and the skies of Tehran and Riyahd will darken with 747s, which will disgorge a fleet of Jeeps. We will ride around with bullhorns and announce that all women are free to leave, with their children, so they can live in a society where they get to show some shin without having some gynophobic wanker whip them with sticks. Your choice!
Heres the thing. Id really like to live in John Kerrys world. It seems like such a rational, sensible place, where handshakes and signatures have the power to change the face of the planet. If only the terrorists lived there as well.
Who does Zarkowi fear the most - France, summiteers, or Marines?
If the rightness of a cause is measured by the number of ones allies, would Britain have been right if the US had stayed neutral in World War Two?
When will he give up trying for the bicycle bounce?
that contemptuous look would have been more effective if he had used it at only a few well-timed moments in the debate.
Kerry kept saying Iraq/Hussein was a "distraction" from getting bin Laden. Bush needs to distinguish between chasing down those who've already attacked VS. dealing with future threats.
Help me with some knowledge if you can. Reading posts last night, some said that the Bush campaign would use those Kerryisms in commercials. Others said they weren't allowed to use them in commercials until Jan. 2005. Do you know what's what?
Put the Kerry lies up, then show the indisputable truth on campaign commercials is one way to salvage that debate.
I've heard the same contradictions...don't know which is right. I thought the "campaigns" couldn't use the footage, so the "independent groups" would put together the rebuttal commercials.
But the DNC has the "bush faces" video up on their website this morning, so I'd say Bush is free to use footage from the debates, on his website if nothing else.
She's (my daughter) livid over Kerry's debate behavior. She also thinks GWB won. :-)
I guess Hillary missed the debate...she was having dinner with the UN elite.
Oprah Winfrey, left, poses with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (neas U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, right, looks on during the United Nations Association of the United States Global Leadership Awards Dinner, Thursday, Sept. 30, 2004, in New York. Oprah Winfrey was presented with the 2004 Global Humanitarian Action Award for her philanthropic efforts. (AP Photo/Diane Bondareff)
Why do I always have the feeling Kofi Annan is hoping people will mistake him for Nelson Mandela?
wow.. OPrah is looking marvelous.. slender. and I haven't seen her for a couple years (don't "do" TV) has she had some cosmetic suregery? don't fault her if she has..
never a rush to post back to me. sometimes I post & leave for hours -- or a day. Nice thing about the bulletin board, posting format
Oprah has the best make-up people known to mankind - the VERY best.
my guess is the slumping was merely an anger reaction. you could see it in his face also & it started about 10 seconds into K's first response. Face tightened & he leaned forward & gripped the podium.. I think he leaned forward gripped that baby like mad. Anger control.
But you are right . He was fatigued & made a choice of visiting storm victims or resting up.
Absolutely right about makeup. (even I look better with my sorry personal job) I always thought O was attractive.. but then did see her once w/o makeup. Whoa! her nose looks a bit smaller to me know than I remembr.
Whoa! doesn't quite cut it: I saw the show where she went visiting her neighbors, unannounced, one weekend, just to check out what they were fixing for dinner. A great, funny, show; but she looked like ten miles of bad road that day.
Whoa! is a term you use with a HORSE!
Opps! Did I really say that?
Hi ladies.. it is a great day out there now in NE Ohio.. think I will find some projects to do outside but not mowing so I can listen to Rush. I have a LOT of beads to sort
Whoa.. do you do "it" to horses also BTW ?
I have had a thought. When Teresa divorces sKerry.. he will go check out Camilla since Charlie is dragging his feet.
Horse faces unite. Now with that comment, I await sympathy as several people have told me I resemble Camilla
Hey, I've met you, and you're light years ahead of Camilla, honey!
I think it is the wild hair? thanks Ma'am
never a rush to post back to me. sometimes I post & leave for hours -- or a day.
I know but since you're new around here and I had posted to others but not you, I didn't want you to think I was being snippy. I do the same thing, sometimes don't get back for days. So, now that's out of the way...
My second guess is that it cost at least 10 times as much as Laura's.
Just goes to show how much I know about expensive clothes, zip, zero, nada. But I have noticed occasionally when I come across something really ugly, it's really expensive. Again with the go figure!
Sorry, I think this is really ugly, it's almost like seersucker.
I have to back off all that as I have naturally curly hair that is about the same
Hey, me too! Mine's too long for my age, I'm just too chicken to cut it off just yet. I've been admiring Laura's cut, wondering if it would work for me. I think we have about the same amount of hair and the same texture, now just have to work up the nerve.
Yesterday was an interesting hair day. Right in the middle of applying color the door bell rang. It was the tree trimmer guy, who I wasn't expecting until later in the afternoon. Grudgingly I opened the door, he apologized for the interruption, I told him no problem, he's the one that was being accosted with such a sight. The 2nd time the bell rang he got to see the second part of the coloring process, highlights... By the 3rd ring I had shampooed and dried and put make up on.
What a nice man, he complimented the color. After I thanked him I lamented that he was able to see the whole spectrum, from bad to not so bad. How much luck can one person have in a day?! Well it was his own fault, showing up early like that.