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Bush, Declaring Iraq Elections a Success, Contradicts Philosophies of Islam

Posted on 01/30/2005 1:15:04 PM PST by JKrive

In the AP article Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success, President Bush declared, "The world is hearing the voice of freedom from the center of the Middle East." The article continues, "Bush praised the bravery of Iraqis who turned out to vote despite continuing violence and intimidation. Bush said voters 'firmly rejected the antidemocratic ideology' of terrorists."

Yet, President Bush seems to forget that the very ideology of terrorism is one that he praised in his Inaugural address.

He stated, "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self. That edifice of character is built in families, supported by communities with standards, and sustained in our national life by the truths of Sinai, the Sermon on the Mount, the words of the Koran, and the varied faiths of our people." Yet, the words of the Koran do not preach peace, democracy, or self-government.

In Sura II.161 it states, "Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;

In Sura IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.

You can read more passages from the Koran here.

Yes, today is a victory for the Iraqi people. They have been freed from the dictatorship of Saddam, but will they be liberated from the idealology that holds them captive?


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1 posted on 01/30/2005 1:15:04 PM PST by JKrive
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To: JKrive
Yet, the words of the Koran do not preach peace, democracy, or self-government.

Shhhh....you'll upset the "religion of peace" crowd.

You know, the "strategery" folk.

2 posted on 01/30/2005 1:18:44 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: JKrive
"The world is hearing the voice of freedom. . ."

Can you hear me now? Jacques? Kofi? Helmut? Vladimir? Osama? Barbara? Ted?

3 posted on 01/30/2005 1:19:10 PM PST by KiloLima ("guest worker program" is to amnesty as "insurgent." is to terrorist . . . .)
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To: JKrive

Welcome to FR. Not sure what the point of your post is though.


4 posted on 01/30/2005 1:19:20 PM PST by Trippin
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To: JKrive

I think Bush's pro-Islamic rhetoric stems from a desire to be diplomatic towards the Middle East. Remember he has to deal with these countries all the time. If he went and said "Mohammed was a tool of Satan; Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth!" they'd hate us more than they already do. And from a diplomatic standpoint, that would not be a good thing. We want them--particularly Iraqis and Afghanis--to trust us as much as possible.


5 posted on 01/30/2005 1:19:27 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: JKrive

6 posted on 01/30/2005 1:19:36 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: JKrive

Did you sign up just to pretend that AP is responsible for this drivel?

Most Freepers are entirely aware that Islam is not the religion of peace. They are also aware that Bush sometimes has to make gestures of this kind to avoid alienating, any more than they already are, the billion Muslims who populate the world.


7 posted on 01/30/2005 1:20:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JKrive
Yes, today is a victory for the Iraqi people. They have been freed from the dictatorship of Saddam, but will they be liberated from the idealology that holds them captive?

And may their "dark ages" pass, with the wisdom and enlightenment of the best that "humanity" has to offer.

8 posted on 01/30/2005 1:22:12 PM PST by kipita (Rebel – the proletariat response to Aristocracy and Exploitation.)
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To: Cicero

Check out his other posts. He is 18 years old and seriously full of himself.


9 posted on 01/30/2005 1:22:16 PM PST by pharmamom ("You treat that cat better than you treat me." - the husband)
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To: JKrive

Here starts the nit picking and the yea buts. I was waiting to see how this victory and good news in Iraq was going to be twisted by the main stream. Here it begins.


10 posted on 01/30/2005 1:22:45 PM PST by alienken (Bumper sticker idea- We have God in heaven & a Texan in the whitehouse,LIFE IS GOOD!!)
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To: All
The Iraqi people are anti-semtic hate filled Muslims which explains why they refuse to recognize Israel and allow Iraqi Jews to vote.

Why are we supporting this government?

11 posted on 01/30/2005 1:23:09 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: JKrive
Always troubling when someones first post looks like they have been doing it for a long time.

Does`nt mean a thing by itself but how many here were very familiar with HTML when we first signed up.

12 posted on 01/30/2005 1:23:19 PM PST by carlr
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To: JKrive

The normal procedure for posting is to put the article in the main area and your comments in the... ah... comment area.

Welcome to Free Republic.


13 posted on 01/30/2005 1:24:57 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: JKrive
Wouldn't it be great if all the ignorant sheep in the world left DU and signed on to Free Republic to post drivel attacking Bush for praising the Koran?

He is the political leader of 5 million patriotic law abiding American Moslems after all.

14 posted on 01/30/2005 1:25:03 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: carlr

I can't speak for others, but I was creating web sites for five years before hearing about Free Republic.


15 posted on 01/30/2005 1:26:11 PM PST by BullDog108 (Know Your Enemy! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
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To: marsh_of_mists
If he went and said "Mohammed was a tool of Satan; Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth!" they'd hate us more than they already do.

No doubt. But there IS a middle ground between uncritically (and unjustifiably) praising Islam and the Koran and undiplomatically bashing it to hell. ....a middle ground that hasn't seen much action, for sure.

16 posted on 01/30/2005 1:26:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: JKrive
Lets get the FULL article on here and then.....make your comments.....

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AP
Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success

2 hours, 6 minutes ago

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) called Sunday's elections in Iraq (news - web sites) a success and promised the United States will continue trying to prepare Iraqis to secure their own country.

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"The world is hearing the voice of freedom from the center of the Middle East," Bush told reporters at the White House on Sunday, four hours after the polls closed. He did not take questions after his three-minute statement.

Bush praised the bravery of Iraqis who turned out to vote despite continuing violence and intimidation. Bush said voters "firmly rejected the antidemocratic ideology" of terrorists.

Iraqis defied threats of violence and calls for a boycott to cast ballots in their first free election in a half-century Sunday.

Insurgents struck polling stations with a string of suicide bombings and mortar volleys, killing at least 44 people, including nine suicide bombers.

"Some Iraqis were killed while exercising their rights as citizens," Bush said. He also mourned the loss of American and British troops killed Sunday.

Bush cautioned that the election will not end violence in Iraq, but said U.S. forces will continue training and helping Iraqis "so this rising democracy can eventually take responsibility for its own security."

In a statement Sunday, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass, said Bush "must look beyond the election."

"The best way to demonstrate to the Iraqi people that we have no long-term designs on their country is for the administration to withdraw some troops now" and negotiate further withdrawals, Kennedy added.

Earlier Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said Iraqi will now work to reduce ethnic or sectarian differences, and the United States will discuss the continued need for outside security forces with the newly elected Iraqi government.

"We all recognize the Iraqis have a long road ahead of them," Rice said on CBS' "Face The Nation."

"The insurgency is not going to go away as a result of today," Rice added.

Rice would not say whether U.S. forces will leave the country in great numbers after the vote, and Bush did not mention any U.S. military withdrawals.

So far, more than 1,400 U.S. troops and many thousands of Iraqis have lost their lives. The United States is spending more than $1 billion a week in Iraq.

Rice said the election went better than expected, but did not elaborate on U.S. predictions for turnout, violence or other measures.

In Iraq, officials said turnout among the 14 million eligible voters appeared higher than the 57 percent they had predicted. Complete voting results are not expected for days.

Polls were largely deserted all day in many cities of the Sunni Triangle. In Baghdad's mainly Sunni Arab area of Azamiyah, the neighborhood's four polling centers did not open at all, residents said.

A low Sunni turnout could undermine the new government and worsen tensions among the country's ethnic, religious and cultural groups.

"It is hard to say that something is legitimate when whole portions of the country can't vote and doesn't vote," Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., said on NBC's "Meet The Press."

The Bush administration has a great deal riding on the election. Strong turnout and results that the world views as legitimate could speed the departure of American troops.

A stable Iraqi government could help mend alliances frayed by international opposition to the U.S.-led invasion, and Republicans on the ballot in 2006 and 2008 also would be relieved. Success could also buttress Bush's long-term goal to promote democracy across the Middle East, where family dynasties and authoritarian rulers outnumber democracies.

Problems with the election could complicate Bush's foreign policy aims, as well as the success of costly items on his second-term domestic agenda, such as partially privatizing Social Security (news - web sites).

Iraq's Shiite majority was widely expected to dominate the government that emerges from Sunday's elections, and some of the highest initial turnout reports came from overwhelmingly Shiite areas.

Even with lower turnout among Sunni Arabs, the government can be representative of all Iraqis, Rice said. She also downplayed concerns that a Shiite-dominated government will morph into a theocracy.

"I'm sure that they will have a healthy debate about the role of Islam, about the role of religion in that society," Rice said on CNN's "Late Edition."


17 posted on 01/30/2005 1:28:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Trippin
gist of the post:

"Bush says he understands, but DU poster says he's an idiot...how can Bush understand"
"Bush says we cannot wait for imminent threat, but Dems say there is no imminent threat...why does Bush attack anyway?"

"Bush bad, we good...bad man not good"

18 posted on 01/30/2005 1:28:43 PM PST by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: BullDog108
I understand that may well be the case.
I should have added "somewhat dubious content" as well.

I bet few would have been attacking the President while appearing to be supportive.
Has he responded yet to any comments?

19 posted on 01/30/2005 1:28:46 PM PST by carlr
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To: JKrive

oh gimme a break,


20 posted on 01/30/2005 1:29:09 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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