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Computer Geek freepers, I need help covering my tracks.
2/07/05 | Luigi Vasellini

Posted on 02/07/2005 6:16:27 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini

Moderator could you please let this thread run a bit?? I have been receiving anti-semitic emails to my hotmail account. I have been receiving these from muslims who are doing medical residency. I want to send copies to their residency director and to the staff physicians. I plan to send xerox copies of said emails. I dont want to happen to me what happened to the resident in Wausau WI (he was kicked out for questioning muslims on the koran after being forced to listen to their 9-11 was Americas fault talk). Please tell me what numbers I need to erase off the email as I am also blacking out my email addy and do not want it traced. Thanks, these people are traitors and I really want to take care of them!!


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KEYWORDS: antisemitic; emails; muslims

1 posted on 02/07/2005 6:16:28 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: Luigi Vasellini

You'll look worse if you try to cover your tracks.

Speak in confidence with an authority figure you can trust and offer to show him your hotmail account as proof. Take the "I'm not sure it its them, or someone using their account" approach.

If you try to sneak it will look like a false accusation.


2 posted on 02/07/2005 6:19:04 PM PST by ruiner
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To: Luigi Vasellini

To be clear: you want to send copies of e-mails you've received, with all reference to your identity removed, but not that of those who sent you the e-mails?


3 posted on 02/07/2005 6:19:46 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: sourcery

thats correct


4 posted on 02/07/2005 6:23:47 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: Luigi Vasellini
Look up the local field office nearest you for the FBI and talk to them.

Not to heighten your paranoia, but if you use a fax, you're going to leave SMDR (station message detail recording) records on all telephone switches in the path. Supposing they have a sympathazer locally who has anything to do with IT, or inside plant (PBX maintenance), they'll find out more about you by the phone number you use to send the fax.

If you're still serious about scrubbing the SMTP header, I can tell you what you need to scrub, but I'd contact the FBI computer crime folks.
7 posted on 02/07/2005 6:26:00 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Chris_GT

No these people are already doctors, they are doing resideency at 2 different hospitals. I am not at their hospital.


8 posted on 02/07/2005 6:27:20 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: hiredhand

The FBI will put this in a drawer and go ho hum. The hospital however may make their advancement difficult. One of these idiots is actually at a Jewish Hospital, Maimonides. I think Ill just blackout every number on the email and mail it to the hospital


10 posted on 02/07/2005 6:30:21 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini
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To: Luigi Vasellini

Hire a lawyer; let him/her forward the emails with a cover letter. That may put the fear of god in somebody.


11 posted on 02/07/2005 6:33:43 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

Have they threatened you?

If so, consider both FBI and Homeland Security.


12 posted on 02/07/2005 6:33:46 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

If you're going to destroy the entire header, then just copy and paste the From: address and message body into notepad, and print that and mail it.


13 posted on 02/07/2005 6:36:40 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Luigi Vasellini

I believe several organizations exist that can help Jewish people counter discrimination and form a legal response to it. Please contact Rabbis you may know, and try to get a referral.


14 posted on 02/07/2005 6:38:25 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: Luigi Vasellini
You could try an anonymous remailer. Send the messages with their headers (redacted to remove your ID, of course) as plain text. The only problem is that you have no way of knowing if they received the message or not. A university mailserver may reject mail from the remailer's domain.
15 posted on 02/07/2005 6:38:26 PM PST by Redcloak (More cleverly arranged 1's and 0's)
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To: Luigi Vasellini
Here's a typcial e-mail header, with examples of the changes you'll need to make in bold:

Return-path: <culprit@islamofascit.com>
Envelope-to: victim@anonymous.com
Delivery-date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:01:36 -0600
Received: from exim by hidden.anonymous.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.36 #2)
id 1CyBKF-0003uj-00
for victim@anonymous.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:01:35 -0600
Received: from [123.456.789.123] (helo=intermediatehost.com)
by hidden.anonymous.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2)
id 1CyBKE-0000Px-00
for victim@anonymous.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:01:22 -0600
Received: from smtp1.islamofascist.com (smtp1.islamofascist.com [123.456.789.123])
by spf6.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1653053772
for victim@anonymous.com; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:16 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from localhost (128-13.islamofascist.com [123.456.789.123] (may be forged))
by smtp1.islamofascist.com (10.8.10/10.12.9) with ESMTP id j17FrfNc017647
for <victim@anonymous.com>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:53:41 -0600
Received: from bneu-c35.realtimecomm.net (bneu-c35.unrealtime.org [456.789.12.456])
by newwebmail.islamofascist.com (IMP) with HTTP
for <culprit@imap.islamofascist.com>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:39:59 -0600
Message-ID: <1107790799.42078bcf5adfb@newwebmail.islamofascist.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:39:59 -0600
From: culprit@islamofascit.com
To: victim <victim@anonymous.com>
Subject: hate mail
References: <200502050556.j155umir027090@mp07.hou.islamofascist.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1
X-Originating-IP: 123.456.789.123
X-Virus-Info: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean
X-Virus-Scanner-From: bcr@wt.net
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

16 posted on 02/07/2005 6:51:29 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: hiredhand
That's all very true unless he can hack through an unprotected PBX switch in some small office.

This happened to our ol'buddy Matt Drudge a few years back. He had all the numbers, etc., that he needed to confidently publish something with a good source.

Problem was it was a hack job and he barely removed the information in time to keep Sidney Blumenthal from crying foul. Sid probably did the deed himself, or maybe one of his little buddies Billzo had hired into the Secret Service.

These days there are fewer and fewer unprotected PBX's. That's because funny little foreign guys in the narcotics business find them and place all their long distance calls over them. Best place to look for one would be a small business with a suite of 5 or 6 offices in a rundown office building. Walk down the halls on any of the mid-level floors, find a name, and go from there. Uh, do that hacking from remote FUR SHUR.

17 posted on 02/07/2005 6:56:09 PM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: Luigi Vasellini
The FBI will put this in a drawer and go ho hum. The hospital however may make their advancement difficult. One of these idiots is actually at a Jewish Hospital, Maimonides. I think Ill just blackout every number on the email and mail it to the hospital

Alright....bear with me here...

Here's a typical SMTP header...I divided it up into sections. Typically, you can follow the flow by the Received: line, which sometimes wraps across several lines. For the purposes of this header, you'll have to assume that I am stumpy@att.com. I struck out all the sections that could reveal anything worthwhile about my source. The flow of an SMTP header usually can be traced from top to bottom, from recipient back to sender. So if YOU are the recipient, YOUR MTAs (mail transport agents) data will be on top. The farther you go down toward the bottom of the transcript, the farther you get from your provider's MTAs.

Return-Path: lgnqvj@cdlnet.com.br

Received: from pancake.att.com (pancake.att.com [12.38.8.216]) by kit.int.goju.net (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i2IEuabr010289 for <root@kit.goju.net.net > Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:56:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lgnqvj@cdlnet.com.br)

Received: from pcp516644pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (pcp516644pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net [68.53.136.13]) by ns.goju.net.net (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with SMTP id i2IEm9bG066944 for <stumpy@att.com> Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:48:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lgnqvj@cdlnet.com.br)

Received: from (HELO poj) [190.179.77.197] by pcp516644pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net with ESMTP id 4494C00AA0A; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:45:17 -0200

Message-ID: <c-$pqy$-7$zv4z4q9t-r56@0p6dvohz2j >
From: "Alba Darden" <lgnqvj@cdlnet.com.br >
Reply-To: "Alba Darden" <lgnqvj@cdlnet.com.br >
To: stumpy@att.com

Hope this helps. :-)
18 posted on 02/07/2005 6:56:22 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: muawiyah
That's all very true unless he can hack through an unprotected PBX switch in some small office.

This happened to our ol'buddy Matt Drudge a few years back. He had all the numbers, etc., that he needed to confidently publish something with a good source.

Problem was it was a hack job and he barely removed the information in time to keep Sidney Blumenthal from crying foul. Sid probably did the deed himself, or maybe one of his little buddies Billzo had hired into the Secret Service.

These days there are fewer and fewer unprotected PBX's. That's because funny little foreign guys in the narcotics business find them and place all their long distance calls over them. Best place to look for one would be a small business with a suite of 5 or 6 offices in a rundown office building. Walk down the halls on any of the mid-level floors, find a name, and go from there. Uh, do that hacking from remote FUR SHUR.

If and when I MUST do something like this, I use a couple of "trusted" friends who are prepared for "layer one"....smack on the bottom of the ole protocol stack....the PHYSICAL layer. It's a killer I tell you. What's needed in this case is a friend who is a couple of states away who can fax this from a relatively safe location, and then be prepared for anybody that might come looking for him.

Not everybody knows people like this. Don't call me lucky to have such friends either. The favor "reciprocates" sometimes. :-) Ah well...such is the world we live in. Treat your friends well...be cautious, stay armed, but trust God above all.
19 posted on 02/07/2005 7:03:57 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: hiredhand
It's impossible to keep a secret if more than one person knows about it.

The hack I recommended keeps it all secret.

Just about any telcolineman can tell you how to do this.

20 posted on 02/07/2005 7:13:07 PM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

Have they threatened you in any way?

I don't want to freak you out, but I just happened to be reading this on Michelle Malkin's blog.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001449.htm


21 posted on 02/07/2005 7:14:43 PM PST by KJC1 (Liberals are to America what undertows are to swimmers)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

I don't know crap about computers, but good luck with that. I'll tell you, I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to be a tough guy or a drama queen, and I'm not trying to make you paranoid, but if I started getting threats from local Muslims, my home would go to DEFCON 1 after reading those stories about Muslims tracking down "infidels" online then murdering them. I mean all my rifles would be loaded and ready to go so the rest of the family could pick them up and use 'em, and the doors would remain locked until the threats subsided. Not all of them are bad, but Islam is a dangerous cult, and you just can't trust the ones who spew violence out of their mouths. Those in our own borders who do that crap should be taken very seriously. I hope the hospital nails those bastards.


22 posted on 02/07/2005 7:34:30 PM PST by Free and Armed
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To: Free and Armed

I'll revise that. You can't trust most Muslims, whether they speak of violence or not. Anyone who adheres to that stupid religion can't be trusted.


23 posted on 02/07/2005 7:44:01 PM PST by Free and Armed
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To: hiredhand

Yep. Got friends like that myself.

One was my super when I was in the AF and trained me in these actions. When some jerk would get under his skin he had a bud in Europe that he would send the guy's payroll jacket to. (Yes, I'm so old we still used paper pay jackets when I was in the AF) His bud would turn it around and send it right back of course. The thing is, a couple pay periods would have passed by the time all this was transacted. Holey joes traveling between squadron admin types don't move with the greatest of speed.

The lesson rarely had to be repeated.

I learned quickly that this circuitous route was the best manner to use when it was necessary to draw attention to various illegal/unethical activities. Especially if the suspect behavior involved persons of higher rank. Read: "Never talk to the IG or OSI on your own base."

And your point about those favors having to be repaid is also very true. If used properly it is used rarely and can be devastatingly effective.


24 posted on 02/07/2005 7:44:37 PM PST by NerdDad
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To: NerdDad
Hey! I remember Holey joes! ....also when the entire 26.0.0.0/8 net was MILNET. :-) ...and when all USAF UNIX hosts had class A addresses! ....AND when RIP was exchanging routes (talking about a BOG) on the backbone! It all used to run on those beastly BBN C-75 (and later C-300) packet switches running a VERY proprietary protocol set on the backbone that only made us "think" we were using IP. It was IP on the endpoints, but something VERY different in the middle!

Actually (and I'll certainly date myself by writing this), but I remember "high speed" 600 baud modems that used a modulation scheme like NOTHING else on the planet (of course!)....Oh yeah....and they had big ole (hot!) vacuum tubes in them too! :-)...and PBXs and telephone switches that had relays....made a LOT of noise, consumed a LOT of power, and made a LOT of heat.

Well...anyway....yes I agree with you. Friends like we're talking about are invaluable, and there's a LOT more "value add" than going it alone. :-)
25 posted on 02/08/2005 7:08:12 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: hiredhand

You're just a baby. Let me date myself. There were no networks when I was in the AF. What became MILNET was just becoming DARPA when I got out. Got my first 300 baud modem after I got out and went to work for an accountant.

I was the first admin type in ATC to put a computer on a squadron desktop. Purchased myself--an Osborne "portable"--26 lbs, 5 inch CRT and 2 90k floppies. Built the 232 interface to lash it to a Royal electronic typewriter. Finished my career with a Trash 80 Mod 3 and DW-II. Impressed the hell out of the ORI and IG guys during inspection time.

The only computer on the base that the AF owned was that gawd-awful Burroughs in CBPO. The one that took 2 hours for the drum to spin up or down. Lightning within 10 miles? Shut down the system.

One of those friends we're talking about ran that Burroughs. "Now sarge, you know we can't kick out a specific SSN for a random pee card. That's why they call it random. But now, if you give me the number, I can start my search from that point when I set up the run."

Never failed to get a card with the number I needed on it. And never failed to get a positive when they went to pee.


26 posted on 02/08/2005 6:54:48 PM PST by NerdDad
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To: NerdDad
Wow....You were going away just as I was arriving! I did actually see ARPANET turn into MILNET. I left AD in 1998 or so, but even then there was ancient equipment still in service, especially where we interfaced with the FAA. Man....the very term "ORI" nearly throws me into flashbacks. :-) I'm glad I never have to go through one of those. ...and the ole "pee test". :-) I never put anything into my carcass that showed up on a pee test, but I knew more than a few who had their careers (and sometimes their lives!) altered on account of it.

I worked on a team in 1990 at WPAFB to move the AFLC (I think it's AFMC now) logistics systems operations center (LSOC) across the street. There were some disc packs on old computers in there that probably weighed 25 lbs and held a "whopping" 10 megabytes. :-) We took several out to the range (because they were throwing them away) and shot them up. Then brought them back, and hung the platters on the wall at the workcenter. Our NCOIC got nervous that we were under "stress" from the project. We assured him that we were NOT....but not everybody else on that project knew it, and a lot of people calmed down around me and my partner because of this. :-)

I think back on it sometimes though...and have to admit that I (sort of) miss it. :-)
27 posted on 02/08/2005 8:10:17 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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