Posted on 05/06/2005 10:52:33 AM PDT by churchillbuff
The question that won't go away is, why has a decision been made -- and it clearly has been made -- that the US will not restrict the entry of illegal immigrants?
Bush and the other political leaders - of both parties - pay no more than lip service to border control. Meanwhile, the borders remain uncontrolled - obviously by design, because specific strategies for control (such as more funding for border agents) are rejected. Als, Bush reportedly is moving to make illegals eligible to receive Social Security payments.
A decision to invite more illegal immigrants in has been made. Why? That's what the American people are being kept in the dark about.
My theory has to do with demographics. American natives - whites and blacks - are not reproducing in the numbers to sustain asset values (homes and stocks) when the Baby Boomers retire and try to sell these assets. Unless there are people to buy them (for instance, immigrants to crowd together in large numbers in homes now occupied by two or 2.5 baby boomers), asset values will plummet, the economy will sink, and baby boomers' retirements will be impoverished nightmares.
ILLEGALS can also be controlled like slaves.
They can always be threatened with deportation, separation from their children and spouses, via partial family deportation... and they KNOW that.
that means that not only will they work for dirt, they KNOW their place in the pecking order, and can be controlled en masse by threatening them as a class legally.
they are the new kind of 'slaves' we can use to pay off our social security deficit, keep property values up by increasing demand and offer 'citizenship' for going to war.
gold and real estate used to be considered types of capitol
now we are realizing that the only REAL capitol, is human life, labor and demand on the marketplace...
no humans, no value... to anything.
and no matter the commodity, without humans to mine, refine, manufacture and consume... NOTHING has any value whatsoever.
the illegals are the new emerging slave class. the new chinamen, the new irish... and they have constitutionally none of the guarantees we do.
how nice for businesses, government and socialists.
3 issues:
#1 reason is that the money illegals send south is what keeps Mexico stable as a nation.
#2 We are going to be population top heavy with old people and with 750,000 abortions a year we can be dying.
#3 But why unskilled Mexicans from next door? The problem with them is their proximity to their native land gives us little if any loyalty from them to us. They many times show little or no desire to become part of OUR society.
If we want better immigrants, I'd much rather require those to come in to have marketable skills and we should look to bring far more in from overseas so that going back is much more of a chore and there is more of a reason to become part of our society.
Thank you. From you, high praise indeed.
Your conclusion may or may not be correct.
One thing is for certain, this fact should be a very definite indication to the voters that there is only ONE party in this country. Those that believe we have a two party system are the sleeping sheep.
bttt
A hard thing to fight.
I wonder how many illegals work for the government?
Aristotle answered this question over two thousand years ago. Despots and the like always prefer the alien to the citizen because in the short run (and America has a short term thinking culture) the alien causes less trouble and can be used against the unruly citizen.
The illegal influx predates Clinton. And it continues under Clinton's successor. The decision to allow this country to be flooded with Third World illegals is BIPARTISAN. I joined freerepublic in 98 to protest Clinton. But more and more I'm realizing that Clinton was one side of the proverbial two sided coin. So i've taken a LOT of flak on freerepublic in the last two years for pointing out that Bush is leading us to socialism ,, perhaps at a faster clip than clinton, because Bush doesnt' face opposition from Republicans and conservatives who would stand up and protest if Clinton was doing the same policies.
Meanwhile, Bush got us into an unnecesary war - at a cost of 300 billion !!! -- that had the effect of making any criticism of Bush off-limits among conservatives (because he's a "wartime leader")
Why was Iraq invasion unnecessary? Because Iraq wasn't involved in 9-11 and didn't have WMDs. If we really were fighting a war on terror, why didn't Bush first secure our own borders? That's how a country that's truly fighting a war on terror - i.e. Israel - does it. Instead, we sent troops and treasure halfway across the world to fight a fourth world country that had no army or air force - or wmds - that would pose us any danger. Saddam was a dictator on the order of Castro - but we don't invade Cuba to free Castro's people. Freedom at home should be the first priority - and defending our borders, in order to protect from terrorism. Instead, we get creeping "war socialism" and open borders that turn the Southwest into an extention of Latin america with all its turmoil, poverty and corruption. Thanks Bush - - NOT.
Excellent post...you said it.
Until a sizeable number of Conservatives understand the flaws in the Montagu, Allport, Cousins approaches, and are able to explain to others why; why, not only from a standpoint of the interest in retaining our traditional culture, but from that of just plain common sense, as applicable to every rational social, economic or cultural question; why, what is happening is absolutely stupid, we are not going to permanently turn the corner.
Again, we discuss the ideological nonsense that American students have been fed in some detail, in Myths and Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.
William Flax
And there's your first problem. More and more people are too stupid to think for themselves, AND, one can not count out judicial activism overturning the will of the people when they get it right (i.e. Prop. 187). Lastly, voting rights for non-citizens and illegal aliens is but an inch away with our current sitting government. When you have 4 of the top 5 electoral count states overrun with voter fraud, not only does the Presidency belong to that group, but the makeup of state legislatures, and DC representation also falls to their 'illegal' voice. I expect the latin form of government is not far off without drastic and immediate measures to ensure voting rights belong only to rightful citizens of this country.
Thanks for your link though, I'll read it through.
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." ~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.
"Mexico extends beyond its borders." ~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001
"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." ~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998
"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' " ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California." ~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions" ~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over." ~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.
"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group." ~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.
"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848." ~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." ~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
Of course you are correct and junta's observation about Aristotle making the same observation a couple of milennia ago is also very interesting.
Yes.
We've always had illegal immigrants.
I thought the question was why does the US not restrict the entry of illegal immigrants?
I thought that the question was being asked in the context of how it's exploded to today's estimates of millions of illegal immigrants annually.
Furthermore, studies by Northeastern University, CIS, and Pew Hispanic Center prove that the millions are getting jobs.
I believe that the source I cited named who's doing it and why.
On another matter, it's appalling to me to see so many accept that today's massive "immigration" is just more of what made our Country great -- but without the inconvenience of an Ellis Island.
It's not that deep, really.
Nobody ever thought Greenspan would set prime near zero at any time.
That made loans come down to an all time low.
Retirees got nothing for their money in the bank, and all these loans were made with money from the old retired folks who were being screwed.
People with 5 year no interest loads 2-3 years from now will be forced to give their homes back to the banks.
As current interest rates go up (Now somewhere over 6.25% for a fixed 30 year mortgage), the amount of load people can afford will go down.
Somebody with a 1% loan has the same payment on a million dollar house that someone with a 6% loan has on 180K.
180K doesn't buy a lot. So I do think there will be some 1300% or more increases in foreclosures over the next two or more years.
Also, has anyone figured this gem out????
Government really makes out on these high priced homes, despite home owner's low loan rates. HOW YOU ASK?
PROPERTY TAX.....
1.25% of a 250K home is around 3k a year. Same home today goes for 700k and the government makes you pay 10k a year in property taxes a year before you pay off your loan.
Imagine that, maybe $800 a month for the cost of just your property tax a MONTH.
How will people be able to retire down the road with that over their heads?
the magicians trick...
to get you looking off stage, while the switch happens in plain sight.
9-11 was USED as reichstag event, to turn our focus and attention somewhere else, but the problems that enabled 9-11 were actually HERE.
The borders are still wide open. But Americans need papers to travel nowdays.
There is NOTHING that keeps a terrorist from training in central mexico, on a drug lord facility, to fly planes into buildings, or develop contagious biological infections to inject into illegals who are offered passage to New York, San Francisco or Sand Diego, for 'free'.
Nothing.
Meanwhile South and central america grow more communistic and prone to tyrannical leadership. China and the former soviet russia are still at work to overthrow us.
The powers that be, have us by the balls, or we would have done something about it by now. Surely folks know that the Americas are becoming very very dangerous places.
It's pre apocalyptic in nature.
But we are vulnerable from the South American CommunoTerrorists.
Nothing will be done.
That would make two of us going to jail...
Have faith. Bush is a poker player - and must have a long term strategy. Chinese wages average $2 per loaded hour. Ours average about $26. How're we supposed to compete with those stats?! Where're we going to get third world workers to work for those wages? Helloooooo Mexico. A vast unlimited supply. Once the nation is flooded with illegals working at $6 an hour - companies worldwide can be enticed to come and employ not only illegals, but also homegrown Americans - whose wages will have been dragged down by this third world tsunami immigration to be equivalent with developing world averages - so we can compete with all the outsourcers and indigenous companies producing in Asia and Latin America.
It's the only thing I can think of to explain his immigration policy. Kind of makes sense from an Olympian perspective, once the slo-mo train wreck is over and done with. The feudalists at the top will be well insulated from all this, though - so not to worry.
Whenever big issues are considered, the culprit is almost always cupidity. Big money seeks to undercut the middle class. They do this by destroying the educational system, bewildering them with religious vapor, degraded entertainment and sports, sports, sports. And most of all, there are the direct attacks: outsourcing, taxes, importing cheap labor (an old favorite that goes back to the founding fathers), taxes, and, did I mention, taxes?
There's really nothing new to any of this. This century's tens of millions of Mexicans was other centuries' black slaves, Irish, and Eastern Europeans.
That would make two of us going to jail...<<
AT least questioned, followed, our credit ruined, yep, The USA is no longer a free country (unless you have entered illegally, then, well, do as you please and to heck with our laws)
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