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Next gen DVD rivals fail to agree ~~ Betamax all over again, it appears......
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 23 August 2005, 10:36 GMT 11:36 UK | staff

Posted on 08/23/2005 11:43:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Last Updated: Tuesday, 23 August 2005, 10:36 GMT 11:36 UK

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Next gen DVD rivals fail to agree

Two DVD formats
The new DVDs can hold much more information

Efforts to come up with a compromise on the next generation of DVD format appear to have stalled.

Technology giant Toshiba and Sony had been in talks about bringing together rival DVD technologies.

But the two are planning to go ahead with their own formats after talks on a single format failed, reported the Japanese Daily Yomiuri newspaper.

Toshiba, with NEC and Sanyo, is pushing HD-DVD, while backers of Sony's Blu-ray include Dell and Samsung.

The next generation of DVDs, due to go on sale later this year, will be able to store much more data, including high-definition video.

This offers incredible 3D-like quality pictures which major Hollywood studios and games publishers are extremely keen to exploit.

Stalled talks

The clash between HD-DVD and Blu-ray parallels the battle a generation ago between VHS and Betamax, which resulted in the demise of Betamax.

Sony PlayStation 3
Sony plans to use Blu-ray in the PlayStation 3

The groups backing the rival next generation DVD formats had been keen to avoid a repeat of the format wars of video.

But negotiations between Toshiba and Sony on coming up with a hybrid DVD system have stalled, with Toshiba pressing ahead with production of HD-DVDs.

Toshiba "is planning to launch our first HD-DVD products by the end of this year. To do that, we have to start production of software for it by the end of this month," said a spokeswoman.

However, neither side has closed the door on developing a single format.

"We have not set a time limit for the talks," added the Toshiba spokeswoman.

For its part, Sony said future negotiations would be held "if there will be an opportunity for it".

Storage space

Sony plans to put a Blu-ray disc drive in its new PlayStation 3 game console next year.

Blu-ray backers include Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Samsung, and Disney.

HD-DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers Studios.

Blu-ray discs can store 50GB of high-quality data, while Toshiba's HD-DVD can hold 30GB

Both disc formats offer much better quality audio and video, and could also mean there is a lot more space for interactive elements.

Analysts say that new technology might be able to overcome the problem of different DVD formats, much like multi-region players can play DVDs from any part of the world.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: beta; cd; computers; dispute; dvd; hdtv; sony; technology

1 posted on 08/23/2005 11:43:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce

Not sure who cares about this.


2 posted on 08/23/2005 11:44:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Which will survive? The one that is the easiest to crack.


3 posted on 08/23/2005 11:50:09 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

On the surface it appears that Sony (once again) has the better format (50Gb vs 30Gb). Therefore, in the grand tradition of Betamax, we can count on Sony to screw up the marketing and licensing aspect of it's business, and HD-DVD will win in the market.


4 posted on 08/23/2005 11:54:46 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I can simply wet myself.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am more interested in actual video codec compression (like Divx, Xvid and VP2) programs used in the new generation of movie DVDs, than how much a data DVD can store (which is a good thing too). Because at those data sizes (for example Blue-Ray), movie companies might be insane enough to try and release movies in "uncompressed RGB" codec format (makes MPEG2/DVD standard look like Divx in compression comparison).


5 posted on 08/23/2005 12:02:57 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Because at those data sizes (for example Blue-Ray), movie companies might be insane enough to try and release movies in "uncompressed RGB" codec format (makes MPEG2/DVD standard look like Divx in compression comparison).

You'd need a heckuva pipe to handle that much data fluidly.

6 posted on 08/23/2005 12:07:56 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will they be dumping "Region Coding"?


7 posted on 08/23/2005 12:12:24 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: weegee

Depends on whether it impacts the bottom line.


8 posted on 08/23/2005 12:17:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: atomicpossum
You'd need a heckuva pipe to handle that much data fluidly.

I know, that's why I considered it was insane to try.

Also, it's nice to see someone who knows what I am talking about.

You wouldn't happen to use a flavor of Virtualdub would you?

9 posted on 08/23/2005 12:19:14 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Blu-ray backers include Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Samsung, and Disney. HD-DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers Studios.

If the HOLLYWOOD studios like it, it must be bad.

10 posted on 08/23/2005 12:22:25 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Unlike the Betamax/VHS war a decade ago..with today's internet.you will see consumers sitting on their wallets until this is resolved..Neither will sell..<P.
Or they could always revive the 8-track...


11 posted on 08/23/2005 12:23:07 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: atomicpossum

Also, as with VHS, the one the porn industry will use (for good or ill, depending on your moral POV)


12 posted on 08/23/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will the new DVDs play on old players, and will old DVDs play on new players? I have a lot of DVDs and am in no hurry to have to rebuy them if I want to watch them on the next DVD player I buy.


13 posted on 08/23/2005 12:32:14 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If blu-ray makes it into playstation3 it has a good shot.


14 posted on 08/23/2005 12:47:10 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great. Now the DVDs I just bought are already going to be obsolete.


15 posted on 08/23/2005 1:11:58 PM PDT by One Proud Son
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
PS3 will use BluRay?

They win. End of discussion.

16 posted on 08/23/2005 1:14:31 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: ken5050

Or DAT or mini-disc or VHS-C or...


17 posted on 08/23/2005 1:35:12 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Even if old media can be played on new systems, they may look sufficiently inferior in comparison.

Fortunately, I have some "popular" titles for the bonus items (extra footage and certainly commentary tracks don't always make it to subsequent releases). I also have some obscure/cult releases that are unlikely to be reissued again and again.

I also have laserdiscs with supplements that are unlikely to be reissued.


18 posted on 08/23/2005 1:38:48 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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