Another hallmark of conservative posters is the tendency to use paragraphs.
-Dan
Posted on 09/14/2005 8:01:41 PM PDT by 1stAmendmentRocks
Scope: To study the behavioral patterns of self-proclaimed liberals and conservatives over a long period time in a cyber environment, particularly a political discussion board. Some things to consider:
A) Do they conform to standard definitions of liberals and conservatives B) Does their behavior change over time? C) How does the outside world influence them? D) Does no moderation work better than moderation?
Our study group consisted of 5 psychology majors and one advisor. We had 2 students who graded themselves as politically “liberal”, 2 as “conservatives”, and 1 as “moderate”.
Several participants were informed of study to help introduce influences and monitor reactions.
Timeframe: Study commenced shortly after the Politics and Current Events section created at www.brucespringsteen.net. This how our search led us to the site. The original thread that predated and apparently let to this section was studied and evaluated as well with above considerations.
Observations:
1) Long-time (over 6 mos.) self-proclaimed liberals appeared to change with time as they spent increasingly more time on the board. At first many were seemed willing to civilly engage other posters with varying viewpoints, but as time went on they quickly fell into a rut of “us” vs “them” and developed a “pack mentality” in which many vehemently struck back not at the viewpoint per se, but the person. Personal attacks seemed commonplace on political opponents, and when one started attacking, many of the others followed. The liberal ideas of tolerance and understanding appeared to wane quite rapidly once one “became” a member. Some self-proclaimed conservatives “attacked” back, however it was not usually in reaction to attacks from liberals. The severity of the profanity was greatly on the side of the liberals, and very little self-policing occurred. 2) During the time when the board had very little moderation from the Sony Moderator and no volunteer Participant Moderators there was some self-policing from each side, though it was observed that the only way to quiet the personal attacks and profanity was for others to ignore them. Some engaged each vociferously with an even playing field. This system appeared to work pretty well, as neither “side” appeared to have an advantage. Since there wasn’t an EDIT feature then what was posted usually stayed, and we noticed very little if any actual censuring from the Sony Moderator. 3) After the introduction of Participant Moderators it didn’t take long for the board to go downhill in civility and personal attacks. In many cases these moderators would actually fuel the incivility which bread resentment. The Participant Moderators all appear to have “not liked” (putting it mildly perhaps) President Bush, and one could actually categorize the “Bush-haters” in one camp, and others were either conservative and had varying opinions of Bush and his Administration. Some conservatives staunchly defended him and his actions, especially in regards to the Iraq situation, while others defended conservative ideals independent of the Bush Admin. Though it was observed that the “Bush-haters” would quickly “pigeon-hole’ any new posters into “their” Bush-hating camp or be viewed as “enemies” if they did not follow their patterns. 4) The Participant Moderators as we first observed were created out of a demand to “control” trolls who came frequently to the site, first, after it came under the Sony umbrella, and then again after Bruce public supported the Dixie Chicks comments while on tour in Europe and their subsequent bashing by some of their followers and actions taken by radio stations in not airing their music. Rather than just ignoring those that came on board to bash Bruce for his support, they were engaged and sparks flew. The Sony Moderator didn’t appear to police this very much which led to asking for volunteer moderators. Liberal posters seemed to forget how to ignore offensive posts. 5) It was soon apparent to most of us in our group including the “liberals” and the “moderate” that censoring, suspensions, and banning favored the “liberal” Bush-hating group. Some “liberals” appeared to get away with quite a lot of personal attacks and gross profanity. Some “non Bush-haters” reacted and they were then censored, suspended and/or banned. Several of the moderators actually were observed using profanity, getting a reaction, deleting their (moderator’s) profanity, then using the “evidence” when “locking” threads to have said poster suspend and/or banned. This happened repeatedly over several months. 6) Conservative posters who protested these actions if they survived not getting banned were “branded” paranoid, whiners, and few other choice words. 7) Continuous complaining finally lead to Participant Moderators to lessen their actions, apparently as instructed by the Sony Moderator. 8) However this did not lead to more civilized discussions as some Participant Moderators still made personal attacks on conservatives and did not “moderate” some of the most profanity-laden posters. 9) Some liberals and conservatives left the board voluntarily as many voiced their opinions as the acidity and toxic environment that the board had degenerated into. 10) Several conservatives started a parallel site in to civilly discuss politics and music. Several liberals then proclaimed Bruce’s site as “theirs” and attempted to steer new conservative posters to go there and stay. 11) We observed that online personal threats by certain posters were not dealt with in a responsible manner, by neither Volunteer Moderators nor the Sony Moderator. One individual made repeated physical threats to numerous posters apparently with impunity. The poster was a Bush-hater and made no bones about what should be done with Bush and his supporters. That in itself was not crossing the line, but the personal threats to other posters did cross the line. This part seemed unbelievable by all in our study group and nearly caused several of us to take actions ourselves to alert authorities and/or Sony. The last observance is when said poster enlisted help from other “liberal” posters in a thread to find one of his targets. The target of the attacks was one of the conservative banned posters who had started a blog posting a conservative viewpoint, attacking the “liberals”. While we didn’t condone such action, it was understandable after observing actions taken to remove this poster from the board, while much more severe behavior were not policed, and this poster was apparently giving it back to them without the threat of banning or censoring. The last straw was when the “liberal” poster posted a threat on the “conservative” poster’s blog to remove the blog by a certain time or face the fate of threat. When the deadline went by, personal information as the “conservatives” physical location were posted, and most recently, the “conservative’s” place of employment. It appeared that more than one liberal poster was in collusion with said poster. 12) Our study group and advisor were surprised at then lengths a “liberal” poster, supported by their “liberal” group would go to quiet a “conservative” who fought back without resorting to tactics like physical threats and posting very personal information.
Conclusions:
1) Long time "liberal" posters became less tolerant, more-hateful, less understanding and less willing to converse civilly with the "other" side as time went on.
2) The introduction of Participant Moderators had a detrimental effect on the civility of the board and contributed to its negative tone and ever-present confrontational condition.
3) Asking for civility by a few posters, while sounding good, rarely materialized as "regulars" kept appearing to drag the board down.
4) Conservative posters learned to live with the unspoken rules that "liberals" ruled the board, and the posted Sony Rules were summarily ignored, un-enforced, or applied in an unbalanced manner.
5) In general; conservative posters showed respect for their liberal counterparts, rarely digressing into name-calling, physical threats, etc. They showed more understanding of liberal and their viewpoints, and though they may not have shown them much love, they surely didn't exhibit the "liberal" hatred shown them, except on occasion.
6) It was demonstrated that some "liberals" formed a somewhat non-public group to discuss ways to cause "mischief" towards conservative posters. We found no evidence of like-wise conservative group doing the same. We found this behavior very childish, and certainly not liberal by the classic definition.
In short, we found that by and large the "liberals" were "haters" of everything Bush and branded their counterpart "conservatives" as enemies to be struck down using any means possible including obviously illegal and deceitful threats, etc. Most could hardly be considered “liberal” by the standard definition. At times it was difficult for our group to realize that most of the liberals claimed to long-time Bruce fans. The irony was that nearly ever new conservative poster had his/her Bruce-loyalty questioned.
We found the conservatives to more tolerant and understanding of their counterparts, at times humorously laughing off attacks rather than counter-attacking. They generally stuck to the political issues being discussed rather than digress into personal attacks.We’d almost call most of them “liberal”.
We are passing our study to incoming group of psychology students, who at their discretion can continue study for any further developments.
he was the one that actually told Roberts that he was the best he had seen in front of the committe.. correct?
Who? US? Sneaky! Why heck yes!!! :)
please post links to this study. Without a source this is hard to judge WTF this means.
Welcome to Freerepublic! I looked for your post after we talked on the other forum.
(67Camaro)
There have been 20 or so replies, and several posts to you. Something that will get you ZOTed is posting something then bugging out, not responding to posts to you- on top of posting unattributed material.
So reply, please, or someone may call the Admin Mods on your case and you'll get a ZOT. The Kitties are cute but they bite!
Great report....
Now give us a link if you have one.
and the kitties have not been fed much today either.
My guess is he is waiting for the "har har har, we conservatives sure are better than those commie dirt eating libs har har".
Seems like a good post to mention something I heard recently. Friend of mine tells me of a psych study done by a former CIA analyst my friend met about 20 years back. Apparently this analyst had concluded and written a paper stating (well before Michael Savage's book) that most people can differentiate their fantasy view of the world from the reality that goes on around them. But the liberal cannot recognize or cope with the difference and becomes very agitated when told the world does not conform to the liberal's fantasy view of how things are supposed to be. I think this study can be obtained, I'll ask my friend for details.
If it's a college study group doing research, they may be trolling for a ZOT, or just studying our responses, and ZOTs don't matter.
If it's legit I think we gave enough warning. I made things clear.
Crystal clear...
ibtz
wth is a 'sony moderator'?
I think this study can be obtained, I'll ask my friend for details.
Williams, that would be interesting. if you find it give me a ping, OK? TIA.
-Dan
sniff test.. aisle 1
I'm secretly hoping that they make Miramar our new San Diego airport, and then bring all the F16's and 18's to Pendleton, and then WE can get to see and hear the sound of protection in the morning!!!
I think this was a great post! I participate on another board, and we conservatives are outnumbered by the libs there, who constantly engage in name-calling and in starting vicious arguments. I find the conclusions you cited very factual.
Thanks again - it was a very informative study, and I'll probably share it with the other board (althought the libs will really go crazy when they see it).
This apparently was a Bruce Springsteen (a Sony Music "artist") board set up by Sony Music.
I just went there....kinda like DU.
Why am I not surprised?
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