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Guilty Plea, But No Prison (Debra Lafave)
TBO.com ^ | Published: Nov 22, 2005 | CHRIS CHMURA

Posted on 11/22/2005 11:59:01 AM PST by Nachum

TAMPA - Before she could plead not guilty by reason of insanity to charges she committed lewd or lascivious battery on a teenager, Debra Lafave pleaded guilty.

But, she will not go to prison.

The former Greco Middle School teacher, accused of having sex with a 14-year-old boy, came to a plea agreement with prosecutors Tuesday.

As part of the agreement, Lafave, 25, will serve three years community control (house arrest), and seven years probation.

The judge said Lafave could have been sentenced to decades in state prison.

"I accept full responsibility for my actions," Lafave told the court.

Prosecutor Mike Sinacore said the victim's family wanted the case to come to a rapid resolution because of intense attention in the news media.

Although Debra Lafave's plea agreement is generous, her life will change dramatically.

She will be classified as a sexual offender, and must register in the state's law enforcement database. The Florida Department of Education Department will revoke her teaching certificate.

According to police records, Lafave performed oral sex on the unnamed boy June 3, 2004. Eleven days later Lafave had sexual intercourse with the boy in a portable classroom at Greco Middle School, police reports said.

School district spokeswoman Linda Cobbe said Lafave was not teaching summer school and does not know why she was on campus the day of the incident.

Lafave was arrested June 21, 2004.

Her trial was scheduled to begin Dec. 5.

Lafave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons, had suggested his client would plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

Previously, Fitzgibbons told news reporters Debra Lafave was, essentially, too pretty for prison.


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1 posted on 11/22/2005 11:59:06 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This "lady" got off lucky.


2 posted on 11/22/2005 12:00:15 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Nachum
Nearly the exact same decision in the (Albany, NY) Geisel case.
3 posted on 11/22/2005 12:01:47 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Nachum

if only, when I was 14........


4 posted on 11/22/2005 12:04:18 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: Nachum
Teacher's Pet
I Wanna Be Teacher's Pet
I Wanna Be Huddled And Cuddled As Close To You As I Can Get

Teacher's Pride
I Wanna Be Teacher's Pride
I Wanna Be Dated Graded The One Most Likely At Your Side

I Wanna Learn All Your Lips Can Teach Me
One Kiss Will Do At The Start
I’m Sure With A Little Homework
I'll Ride My Way To Your Heart

Teacher's Pet
I Wanna Be Teacher's Pet
I Wanna Take Homm-a Deploma
And Show 'Em That You Love Me Too
So I Can Be Teacher's Pet
Long After School Is Through

5 posted on 11/22/2005 12:05:00 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: clee1

Switch the roles. If this were a male teacher who had sex with a 14 year old girl would the outcome be the same?

If so, then what good are laws?


6 posted on 11/22/2005 12:05:13 PM PST by MA North Shore
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To: Nachum

There's a certain type of girl you marry, and there's a certain type of girl you don't.  To bad her husband found out too late.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

7 posted on 11/22/2005 12:05:44 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: MA North Shore

The outcome wouldn't be the same and shouldn't.

There is a widely accepted public policy position that female sexuality should be guarded more closely than male sexuality.

That this public policy position is not shared by everyone doesn't undermine that it has been shared by most people as far back as anybody can remember.

Those who say that this is a double standard are wrong: a double standard is two different standards for the same thing. This is two different standards for two different things.


8 posted on 11/22/2005 12:11:05 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Nachum

I have to revise my sarcastic post. Upon further thought, if I'd have had sex with a 14 year old girl I'd be doing 25 years right now.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 12:13:30 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: HitmanNY

I respect your point, but you leave out the issue that this woman was in a position of authority which she abused. That negates any special treatment of 'protection of female sexuality' as far as I can see it. Just because I have a wee-wee and she doesn't, means men should be discriminated against in these matters?


10 posted on 11/22/2005 12:16:56 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: Owl_Eagle

......and a certain type that you google the heck out of.


11 posted on 11/22/2005 12:16:56 PM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: HitmanNY

A very good point. I guess in my opinion laws should be viewed as absolutes. If statutory rape, say under 16, by an adult is against the law, the law should be for both male and female. Seems to be every week we hear about another union teacher "getting 0ff" with a slap on the wrist.

I'd put her away for at least ten years, but maybe that's just my misogyny showing through...

NOW, NAG, and other lesbian groups must be happy that another one of their sisters doesn't need to follow the laws...


12 posted on 11/22/2005 12:24:06 PM PST by MA North Shore
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To: InsureAmerica
I must not have made myself clear, I'm sorry. The argument I presented doesn't negate anything:

The adult male who has sex with a 14 year-old girl both abused his authority and raped the girl.

The adult female who has sex with a 14 year old boy abused her authority and maybe some kind of assault.

They clearly both abused their power - that has to do with their role as teachers, now whether they are male or female. I have no idea what was confusing or ambiguous about that, and I don't disagree. I just don't think a female violating a male's sexuality in this context is rape, comparable to a male violating a female's sexuality in this context.

It's not unfair discrimination: the public policy concerns are different. Males just have different responsibilities because of the public policy reasons I mentioned.. That's not to say females have no responsibility, of course.
13 posted on 11/22/2005 12:28:15 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: InsureAmerica
...and, as in the twink European Union, it's considered a misdemeanor if a woman commits murder while she's on the rag with PMS.

This is true.

How about: "Yes, your Honor. I killed her, but I had this wicked sore male itch that Cruex couldn't help..."
14 posted on 11/22/2005 12:31:12 PM PST by MA North Shore
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To: MA North Shore
I can understand that. Certainly adults in this situation abuse their positions of authority and that should be dealt with equally.

Statutory rape is a good issue. We have to ask why the policy is in place in the first place. It's there to protect developing sexuality (among other things). I think most men (and probably most women) don't consider a 16 year old male's sexuality notably damaged in this context, though it certainly might be.

I'm not saying the women in these contexts isn't doing anything wrong. I am distinguishing it from rape, though.
15 posted on 11/22/2005 12:32:23 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

If rape is defined as intercourse between two non-consenting parties, then does it matter what the threat or intimidation was to force the victim into the act?

If not, then there should not be a male/female difference.
I am not saying women and men should be treated the same in all matters, they should not. What if the woman raping the boy used blackmail or something similar to enforce the act, would that be different than a male raping a female using the same type of coercion, blackmail? Then we can leave out the physical differences that otherwise would play into a forced rape, where the male because of superior physical strenth needs no other means....


16 posted on 11/22/2005 12:34:37 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: HitmanNY

I asked my husband his opinion on this and he claims its not a double standard just the "male" standard.

He says that if our son had a chance to have sex with that good looking of a teacher at 14, He would be giving our son high fives!!!
on the other hand, if a good looking male teacher had sex with daughter at 14 he would, "kill the sonvabitch"
so see the double standard stand inside or outside of court.


17 posted on 11/22/2005 12:39:43 PM PST by ccwoman
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To: ccwoman

Funny, if this happened to my son, I'd do everything in my power to see that the C teacher never sees the light of day again!

DIFFERENT LAWS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE? KARL AND JOSEF LOVES YOU!


18 posted on 11/22/2005 12:45:13 PM PST by MA North Shore
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To: InsureAmerica

I don't think anyone suggested the boy in this case didn't consent. Your emphasis on that detail in this case is misplaced.

Sex with a minor is statutory rape, however. Even the younger party's express consent isn't a defense, since there is a public policy decision that minors are incapable of meaningful consent.

In the example you give, the person would be guilty of blackmail on top of any sexual crime involved. Whether a person is male or female, they are still blackmailing - which may be illegal. That doesn't address the public policy concern I originally raised, though.


19 posted on 11/22/2005 12:50:58 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: MA North Shore

Not different laws for different people, but different laws for different situations. It clearly isn't a double standard, as I said. It's two different standards for two different things because, among other things, our culture decided to protect women's sexuality more than male's sexuality.

One reason, of course, is the different consequences of sex by the sexes. A woman bears a burden that a man doesn't bear: pregnancy.


20 posted on 11/22/2005 12:52:57 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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