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1 posted on 11/28/2005 10:21:15 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL; ken5050
The complete ballot:

Rick Aguilera, Albert Belle, Bert Blyleven, Will Clark, Dave Concepcion, Andre Dawson, Gary DiSarcina, Alex Fernandez, Gary Gaetti, Steve Garvey, Dwight Gooden, Rich Gossage, Ozzie Guillen, Orel Hershiser, Gregg Jefferies, Tommy John, Doug Jones, Don Mattingly, Willie McGee, Hal Morris, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter, Alan Trammell, Walt Weiss, John Wetteland

No clear, "lock" HOFers here. But I could see:

Blyleven, Sutter, Smith, and Gossage, among the pitchers. (John and Morris, maybe not.)

Concepcion and Trammell would be worthy of consideration at an under-represented position, SS, where offensive standards should not be the same as at 1b or OF.

Thus as far as Dawson or Rice (or Murphy or Parker or Garvey or Mattingly): I don't know that the numbers are there for the whole career for OF/1b standards.

The other consideration is the era a guy played in. 1960s-mid-'80s numbers are going to favor pitchers over hitters. In the late '80s, that begins to change.

2 posted on 11/28/2005 10:47:06 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: SmithL

Will Clark had one of the most beautiful baseball swings I have ever seen.


3 posted on 11/28/2005 10:52:24 AM PST by day10 (Wherever you come near the human race there's layers and layers of nonsense.)
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I'm sorry, but if they are going to consider Gooden and Belle, then they should put Pete back on the ballot. His misdeeds are no better or worse than those committed by the other two aforementioned miscreants. And his baseball numbers are far better.


4 posted on 11/28/2005 11:12:45 AM PST by NerdDad (How is it that "Help me put up Christmas decorations" becomes "We have to shampoo the carpets"?)
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To: SmithL

Without Rose, the Hall is just a list of players. Google Hall of famers and murder. Ty Cobb beat a bum to death just for asking for money.


6 posted on 11/28/2005 11:52:07 AM PST by right right
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Jim Rice and Tommy John should be in the Hall of Fame, and I hope they voted in this year. Blyleven, Clark, and Concepcion, and maybe even Dawson and Hershiser are also good choices, and I wouldn't mind seeing them get in, but I can't say I'm a big fan of relief pitchers going to the Hall unless they are of and Eckersley or Rivera caliber, and Sutter and Gossage were not.

As for Pete Rose, he should be banned from baseball for life, as he did break the rules and should be punished accordingly. However, I think he still deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 3:32:15 PM PST by Enterprise1788 ("We stand at Armageddon, and we battle for the Lord" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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If Pete would have addressed his problem with gambling(ie quit,joined GA),i believe he would have gotten into the HOF.As far as a player,he was one of the best,and gave it 110% every game.What he lacked in talent he made up for in effort.I watched an interview with him a few years back,and he was very evasive/defensive/arrogant when the host asked him about his proclivity for gambling.No remorse.I don't think he's learned very much.


10 posted on 11/29/2005 8:03:11 AM PST by Thombo2
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At the very least, the years Rose was banned shouldn't count against his elgibility years. And quite frankly, I don't think a lifetime ban is warranted if he bet on his teams. If he bet against them, that would be a different matter.

-Eric

11 posted on 11/30/2005 3:29:57 AM PST by E Rocc (Bah Humbug.)
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