Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000
BTW, the Oilers still got a field goal out of the disputed Renfro catch. If the refs had given him the TD that he didn't deserve the Oilers would have still lost 27-17 to the Steelers. After all these years isn't it time to grow up and quit whining, loser?
That way there would be no need for a replay that clearly doesn't prove that he went in at all.
That would only undo football rules going back to the beginning of time. The plane of the goal has always been part of the goal and the euclidean break of that plane a touchdown. The rule is precise and so is the ruling in this case. The ball broke the plane. Period.
If you want wussie rules, go watch soccer.
You insist on saying people are whining because they are talking about bad calls? The topic was bad calls was it not?You are a bore but I assure you I can keep this up as long as you care to.
OH and given that my dad and Mr. Tittle played in that failed league, have you or yours done better?
NFL.com rule digest: " 1. Sidelines and end lines are out of bounds. The goal line is actually in the end zone. A player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above, or over the goal line."
The line along the back of the endzone is a boundry, the lines on the sides are boundries, and yet the goal line is not a boundry but part of the endzone. That honestly doesn't make sense.
It is a boundary -- it's the boundary of the field
Really???? All I have seen is that blurry picture (why it is so darn blurry is anybody's guess) that points to Ben's wristband as proof he crossed the plane. With a zillion of photographers and HD video cameras everywhere, there is not one shot that shows the ball in the endzone. The ref called the TD based mostly on Ben scooting the ball across the line after he was down. A slick move by Ben. But really Seattle can't bitch, because they let Pittsburgh get that close to begin with. Seattle can't expect the ref to spot the ball to the nearest inch, that just does not happen. But to say the Ball broke the plane is a fantasy that is not supported by the enormous amount of video evidence that is available.
I TIVOd it and so did quite a few others -- if you look at the original SB thread you will see posts by several people with HD TVs that saw the same as I: At the apex of his leap, Ben gets the nose of the ball over the plane.
But I agree that it is somewhat moot -- they won by 11 and were the better team on that day.
And it was a pretty crummy SB, overall.
Maybe I haven't seen all the pictures, but everyone I have seen they point to his wristband as the conclusive evidence that the ball crossed the line. The best pictures I have seen shows the ball about two inches short. But that may not be Ben's furthest progress and you can't see where the tip of the ball is as it is hidden by his elbow. I still contend that Ben got the call because he slyly slide the ball over the goal line as the ref approached. That's part of the game. Blockers do stuff on every play to hide the fact they are holding. Refereeing a game is imperfect and will slant every game one way or the other. If you go out and beat your opponent, you don't have to worry about those things. Seattle clearly did not do much to win the game. Pittsburg did make a few big plays. Randle El's perfect pass off balance on the run was by far the best play of the game. Of course I live in Bloomington, so I am a bit bias, but he is one of the most exciting players to watch.
I like Randel El, too. He and Ward are pretty good eggs and fun to watch. They're really great guys off the field, too.
This is ambiguous?
The goal line is actually in the end zone.
Seems pretty unambiguous to me. You believe, wrongly and stubbornly in counter to the NFL rulebook presented, that the goal line is in the playing field, that the end zone begins once one has completely crossed the line. This states, clearly, that the goal line is part of the end zone. That you score once you have breached the goal line.
The rules should be that in order to score the whole ball must enter the endzone past the goal line.
Why change the way football has always been and draw the lines differently?
That way there would be no need for a replay that clearly doesn't prove that he went in at all.
Huh? What are you talking about? The game was played under NFL rules, like always. If we re-drew the goal line to match your misconception, the goal line would be in a different place. Then we would be arguing about the exact same play, except instead of arguing whether the beginning of the ball touched the line, we'd argue whether the end of the ball cleared the other side of the line.
You don't eliminate close calls by moving the line. That's like saying you wouldn't need umpires in baseball if you just moved the bases 91 feet apart.
SD
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