Skip to comments.Super Bowl: Picture Proof of Big Ben's TD
Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000
Yeah, which blurry part is the ball?
I thought he scored but I can't see anything from that picture...
1. Bad angle
2. Even Ben says he didn't get in.
3. It doesn't matter anyway. The Hawks didn't play well enough to win and would have lost even if the game were not marred by inept officiating.
...but I don't know/play football so...
Yep. The plane of the endzone, neatly highlighted by the red line, was never in question. Where's the ball?
Certainly there was insufficient replay proof to reverse the call.
Would any Seahawks fans want some cheese with that whine?
That's a blockers leg you're seeing.
The knee on the ground is the guy under him...lol
If Ben's head were the ball, then sure, I'd give it to you.
He is in the air!
The ball is the brown thing that is 1/4 over the plane of the goal.
This has been conclusively refuted on other sites. What the poster wants you to think is the football is actually Roethlisberger's arm. The football did not break the plane.
On the ground is Jerome Bettis who was blocking for Ben on the play.
Steelers win. TRDM.
So, these guys are supposed to be super bowl champs because of an inch or two, and that's supposed to offset the 14 points they pissed down the drain because of Jr High School class clock management? Sell crazy in Seattle.
The football is at 5 o'clock in relation to his helmet. His arm is at 8 or 9 o'clock? What are you talking about??
Doesn't look like anyone has possession of that ball. Clearly a fumble.
Do you have one for the poor winners?
They're giving it away for free up there.
No, that is someone underneath him.
Looks Half-in, Half-out to me...
If any part of the ball breaks the plane of the end zone it is a touchdown. So half in, half out is a td.
I would never accuse you of a photo shop, BUT I clearly see the ball in your picture and it is well ahead of his hand. On tv, I distinctly remember the ball was barely or not visible, and it was well hidden by his hand. Now you have a photo with a nice light brown football and even its bright white stripe, in plain view.
Here is the proof that your picture does NOT show the ball going over the goal line...not even close:
If any part, not the whole, of the ball passes the plane of the field side of the goal line it's a TD. The goal line is in the end zone.
I think we've found the problem. There are too many people who don't understand the "breaking the plane" concept. Sorta like that idiot Billy Packer last night who, at the end of the game, couldn't understand why the Tar Heels didn't put Terry back in.
Terry had fouled out about four minutes earlier.
I see just the opposite. No score. Thanks for posting this!
Yeah, I think I see the ball.
This photo was pulled from Fox Sports ... remember, Ben was not backed away from the endzone before he hit the ground.
The part you are looking at that I think you consider the laces on the ball are in fact the forearm padding of the Seahawks linebacker. In live action (zoomed on TiVo) you will see the ball but the laces are turned away. You can see the stripe around the circumference, but not the laces. And zoomed in, you will see that from at least the same camera angle you show here, the ball did not come near the front of the goal line.
Must have a really uneven tan on the right side of his body cause that arm is awfully brown...like a football.
You're wrong. Check out this link:
Many people posting "opinions" don't know the NFL rules.
One idiot was complaining about Hassleback not being given a 1st down when he went into the QB slide (I think in the 1st qtr). The dink didn't know the QB slide rule.
Same goes for the push off. The ref HAD to flag it. It was on an island RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM.
A win is a win. Whether they had to cheat to get there or not doesn't matter.
The first photo is irrelevant due to the angle ...
When did Ben have laces stitched onto his arm? lol
I assume you forgot the (/sarcasm) tag?
A photograph taken at the exact same time as that blurry screenshot proves that it is Ben's arm, and not the football, that breaks the plane of the goal line.
Yeah, how come he's got his knee on the ground?
Correction: forearm padding of the Ben...I knew it was one of there forearms, had to go check. Heck, even the QB who had his eyes a foot away from the ground could see he wasn't in, and said so.
The picture on the right is too blurry and has too many drawn lines to tell anything.
The picture on the left, based on the fact that Ben's right elbow has fully crossed the line, and that the lower tip of the ball is just behind the elbow, clearly shows that the ball broke the plane.
Steelers win. Seahawks whine.
Are you kidding? You think that three-inch wide patch of white is laces on a football? The whole point of the previous photo is that it proves that it is Ben's white wristband on his arm, not laces on a flesh-colored football.
If that was his arm then he would have come off the field in agony. The ball broke the plane of the goal line, not by much though.
I Tivo'ed the game in high def and have gone through the freeze frame by frame on my 60 inch Sony and I can't tell exact location of the ball on the play. That said, since the replays DON'T CLEARLY contradict the call on the field it's a TD. Sh#t happens in sports, Pittsburg came back when the Seahawks failed to close the deal. Whinning won't change anything.
I know, I know. Just trying to get the Hawks fans stirred up again. Call it "football trolling".
Holmgren lost standing in my book by his behavior yesterday. And everybody is comparing him negatively to Cowhler, because of Bill's good sportsmanship after the TERRIBLE call in the Colts game.
Before we canonize Cowhler as the king of sportmanship, I'll remind everyone of a certain playoff game (of which I was in attendance), where a kicker missed a winning field goal, but got another chance because the Steelers were called for roughing the kicker. Cowhler's behavior after that game can only be described as, er, "unsportsmanlike". I thought he was going to have a seizure.
All coaches have their moments. Fans are even worse. As a Titans fan, I still have to put up with Bills fans trying to prove to me that it was a forward lateral.
Anyway, these ssort of things help make a good living for sports talk show hosts.
I saw that. People like to rewrite history.
These are like UFO pictures taken in NJ. You can't really focus on the object and see if it's what you think it is.
You can't see a dang thing in that pic on the right.
WHAT??? lol Please, please, please tell me you have not been called as a witness in a crime?
His legs aren't even in the picture and appear to be above his waist.