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Super Bowl: Picture Proof of Big Ben's TD
Fox Sports Pittsburgh ^ | February 7, 2006

Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000



TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: blurryinconclusive; nfl; pittsburgh; seahawks; seattle; steelers; superbowl; touchdown; whocares
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Questions?
1 posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:49 AM PST by mcg2000
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To: mcg2000
Questions?

Yeah, which blurry part is the ball?

I thought he scored but I can't see anything from that picture...

2 posted on 02/08/2006 5:20:21 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: mcg2000

1. Bad angle
2. Even Ben says he didn't get in.
3. It doesn't matter anyway. The Hawks didn't play well enough to win and would have lost even if the game were not marred by inept officiating.


3 posted on 02/08/2006 5:20:34 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: mcg2000
Is that his knee I see already on the ground? Just stirring the pot. I was for the Steelers.
4 posted on 02/08/2006 5:20:49 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: mcg2000
Looks Half-in, Half-out to me...

...but I don't know/play football so...

5 posted on 02/08/2006 5:20:52 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: mcg2000

Yep. The plane of the endzone, neatly highlighted by the red line, was never in question. Where's the ball?


6 posted on 02/08/2006 5:21:01 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: mcg2000
heh..pretty bad pic but no, there are no questions that he scored.

Certainly there was insufficient replay proof to reverse the call.

7 posted on 02/08/2006 5:21:45 AM PST by evad
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To: mcg2000

Would any Seahawks fans want some cheese with that whine?


8 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:02 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: Warren_Piece

That's a blockers leg you're seeing.


9 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:10 AM PST by andrew2527
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To: Warren_Piece

The knee on the ground is the guy under him...lol


10 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:26 AM PST by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: mcg2000

If Ben's head were the ball, then sure, I'd give it to you.


11 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:46 AM PST by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: Warren_Piece

He is in the air!

The ball is the brown thing that is 1/4 over the plane of the goal.

Jeeze!


12 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:56 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: mcg2000

This has been conclusively refuted on other sites. What the poster wants you to think is the football is actually Roethlisberger's arm. The football did not break the plane.


13 posted on 02/08/2006 5:23:51 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: TommyDale

(courtesy 82ndAirborne)

14 posted on 02/08/2006 5:24:03 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Warren_Piece

On the ground is Jerome Bettis who was blocking for Ben on the play.


15 posted on 02/08/2006 5:24:18 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: mcg2000

Steelers win. TRDM.


16 posted on 02/08/2006 5:24:21 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: mcg2000

So, these guys are supposed to be super bowl champs because of an inch or two, and that's supposed to offset the 14 points they pissed down the drain because of Jr High School class clock management? Sell crazy in Seattle.


17 posted on 02/08/2006 5:24:53 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Junior_G

"conclusively"? Huh?

The football is at 5 o'clock in relation to his helmet. His arm is at 8 or 9 o'clock? What are you talking about??


18 posted on 02/08/2006 5:24:56 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: freedumb2003

Doesn't look like anyone has possession of that ball. Clearly a fumble.


19 posted on 02/08/2006 5:25:26 AM PST by flada (Posting in a manner reminiscent of Jen-gis Kahn.)
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To: freedumb2003

Do you have one for the poor winners?


20 posted on 02/08/2006 5:25:45 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: sam_paine
Sell crazy in Seattle.

They're giving it away for free up there.

21 posted on 02/08/2006 5:26:14 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ExcursionGuy84; Warren_Piece
Is that his knee I see already on the ground? Just stirring the pot. I was for the Steelers.

No, that is someone underneath him.

Looks Half-in, Half-out to me...

If any part of the ball breaks the plane of the end zone it is a touchdown. So half in, half out is a td.

22 posted on 02/08/2006 5:26:41 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: mcg2000
Your picture shows the touchdown exactly as it occurred, IF it did occur. I thought (and I'm sure the ref thought) that the ball tucked under his hand crossed the line as he flew through the air. By the time he was on the ground the ball definitely was not over the line.

I would never accuse you of a photo shop, BUT I clearly see the ball in your picture and it is well ahead of his hand. On tv, I distinctly remember the ball was barely or not visible, and it was well hidden by his hand. Now you have a photo with a nice light brown football and even its bright white stripe, in plain view.

23 posted on 02/08/2006 5:26:49 AM PST by Williams
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To: mcg2000

Here is the proof that your picture does NOT show the ball going over the goal line...not even close:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/HoodRiverDude/Seahawks/RothTD.jpg


24 posted on 02/08/2006 5:26:59 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: ExcursionGuy84

If any part, not the whole, of the ball passes the plane of the field side of the goal line it's a TD. The goal line is in the end zone.


25 posted on 02/08/2006 5:27:03 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: freedumb2003

I think we've found the problem. There are too many people who don't understand the "breaking the plane" concept. Sorta like that idiot Billy Packer last night who, at the end of the game, couldn't understand why the Tar Heels didn't put Terry back in.

Terry had fouled out about four minutes earlier.


26 posted on 02/08/2006 5:27:16 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: mcg2000

I see just the opposite. No score. Thanks for posting this!


27 posted on 02/08/2006 5:27:55 AM PST by FilthyHands (Live so that you may live forever. (viva ut vivas))
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To: freedumb2003

Yeah, I think I see the ball.


28 posted on 02/08/2006 5:28:05 AM PST by altura
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To: Williams

This photo was pulled from Fox Sports ... remember, Ben was not backed away from the endzone before he hit the ground.


29 posted on 02/08/2006 5:28:09 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: mcg2000

The part you are looking at that I think you consider the laces on the ball are in fact the forearm padding of the Seahawks linebacker. In live action (zoomed on TiVo) you will see the ball but the laces are turned away. You can see the stripe around the circumference, but not the laces. And zoomed in, you will see that from at least the same camera angle you show here, the ball did not come near the front of the goal line.


30 posted on 02/08/2006 5:28:25 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Junior_G

Must have a really uneven tan on the right side of his body cause that arm is awfully brown...like a football.


31 posted on 02/08/2006 5:28:52 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: 14erClimb

You're wrong. Check out this link:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/HoodRiverDude/Seahawks/RothTD.jpg


32 posted on 02/08/2006 5:29:55 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Lee'sGhost

Many people posting "opinions" don't know the NFL rules.

One idiot was complaining about Hassleback not being given a 1st down when he went into the QB slide (I think in the 1st qtr). The dink didn't know the QB slide rule.

Same goes for the push off. The ref HAD to flag it. It was on an island RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM.


33 posted on 02/08/2006 5:30:11 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: mcg2000

A win is a win. Whether they had to cheat to get there or not doesn't matter.


34 posted on 02/08/2006 5:30:17 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Junior_G

The first photo is irrelevant due to the angle ...

the second?

When did Ben have laces stitched onto his arm? lol


35 posted on 02/08/2006 5:30:30 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: flada
Doesn't look like anyone has possession of that ball. Clearly a fumble.

I assume you forgot the (/sarcasm) tag?

36 posted on 02/08/2006 5:30:57 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: 14erClimb

A photograph taken at the exact same time as that blurry screenshot proves that it is Ben's arm, and not the football, that breaks the plane of the goal line.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/HoodRiverDude/Seahawks/RothTD.jpg


37 posted on 02/08/2006 5:31:12 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: mcg2000

"Questions?"

Yeah, how come he's got his knee on the ground?


38 posted on 02/08/2006 5:32:11 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: mcg2000

Correction: forearm padding of the Ben...I knew it was one of there forearms, had to go check. Heck, even the QB who had his eyes a foot away from the ground could see he wasn't in, and said so.


39 posted on 02/08/2006 5:32:17 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Junior_G

The picture on the right is too blurry and has too many drawn lines to tell anything.

The picture on the left, based on the fact that Ben's right elbow has fully crossed the line, and that the lower tip of the ball is just behind the elbow, clearly shows that the ball broke the plane.

Touch down!

Steelers win. Seahawks whine.


40 posted on 02/08/2006 5:32:23 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Junior_G
Afraid to post the pic? Unbelievable ...
41 posted on 02/08/2006 5:32:30 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: mcg2000
When did Ben have laces stitched onto his arm? lol

Are you kidding? You think that three-inch wide patch of white is laces on a football? The whole point of the previous photo is that it proves that it is Ben's white wristband on his arm, not laces on a flesh-colored football.

42 posted on 02/08/2006 5:33:01 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G

If that was his arm then he would have come off the field in agony. The ball broke the plane of the goal line, not by much though.


43 posted on 02/08/2006 5:33:11 AM PST by misterrob (Democrats, The Party of Treason)
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To: mcg2000

I Tivo'ed the game in high def and have gone through the freeze frame by frame on my 60 inch Sony and I can't tell exact location of the ball on the play. That said, since the replays DON'T CLEARLY contradict the call on the field it's a TD. Sh#t happens in sports, Pittsburg came back when the Seahawks failed to close the deal. Whinning won't change anything.


44 posted on 02/08/2006 5:33:19 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I know, I know. Just trying to get the Hawks fans stirred up again. Call it "football trolling".

Holmgren lost standing in my book by his behavior yesterday. And everybody is comparing him negatively to Cowhler, because of Bill's good sportsmanship after the TERRIBLE call in the Colts game.

BUT...

Before we canonize Cowhler as the king of sportmanship, I'll remind everyone of a certain playoff game (of which I was in attendance), where a kicker missed a winning field goal, but got another chance because the Steelers were called for roughing the kicker. Cowhler's behavior after that game can only be described as, er, "unsportsmanlike". I thought he was going to have a seizure.

All coaches have their moments. Fans are even worse. As a Titans fan, I still have to put up with Bills fans trying to prove to me that it was a forward lateral.

Anyway, these ssort of things help make a good living for sports talk show hosts.


45 posted on 02/08/2006 5:33:39 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: mcg2000

I saw that. People like to rewrite history.


46 posted on 02/08/2006 5:33:48 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: mcg2000

These are like UFO pictures taken in NJ. You can't really focus on the object and see if it's what you think it is.


47 posted on 02/08/2006 5:34:12 AM PST by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: freedumb2003

Bwaha.


48 posted on 02/08/2006 5:34:24 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: mcg2000

You can't see a dang thing in that pic on the right.


49 posted on 02/08/2006 5:34:25 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

WHAT??? lol Please, please, please tell me you have not been called as a witness in a crime?

His legs aren't even in the picture and appear to be above his waist.


50 posted on 02/08/2006 5:34:27 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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