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Rock's living history, streamed online
CNET News ^ | Fri Feb 17 05 | John Borland

Posted on 02/17/2006 5:58:25 AM PST by lunarbicep

SAN FRANCISCO--In 1970, 20-year-old student Bill Sagan had his first real brush with rock and roll history at an early Led Zeppelin concert at Chicago's fabled Aragon Ballroom.

Now the entrepreneur owns one of rock's biggest treasure troves of recorded shows by Zeppelin and other history-making bands, and he's beginning to share it freely online.

Since 2002, Sagan has owned the full archives of legendary promoter Bill Graham, whose concerts featuring performers such as the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix and others helped define the late 1960s and early '70s. Late last week, Sagan began putting excerpts from these concerts, many of which have never been released, online by way of a free Internet radio station on his company's Wolfgang's Vault site.

"My view is that a live performance is better than the studio," he says. "Live is what a band played that night. If they talked between songs, it's there. If they broke a string, it's there."

For all the Amazon.coms, Rhapsodies and iTuneses in the world, it's these nuggets of music history past and present that illustrate the real power of digital music. Graham's archives contain thousands of hours of recorded audio and video that's rarely been heard or seen, but is finally being digitized and distributed.

It's a business for Sagan, but the response--in just a few days of existence, the streaming radio service has prompted thousands of listeners to send e-mails full of concert stories and song requests--shows he's struck a nerve online.

"It's wonderful and unique stuff, and it's a clever way to do it," said GartnerG2 analyst Mike McGuire. "Being online and digital gives them the ability not to have to invest a whole lot of capital to distribute it."

Sagan is a businessman, on the surface very different from the bushy-bearded, long-haired artists depicted in the black-and-white photographs lining the walls of his warehouse office. But Graham was a businessman too, with a reputation for being hard-nosed about making money as he promoted the peace-and-love generation's soundtrack.

A tall, thin man with graying hair and angular features, Sagan takes visitors on a tour of the warehouse with evident relish. His earlier career was all business, starting and selling health care companies, he says. But in 2001, he decided he wanted to invest in music assets, seeing a business that was on the cusp of radical change.

He stumbled onto the Graham assets purely by luck, he says. He heard from a friend that they might be for sale, discovered that Microsoft founder Paul Allen and a few others were in the market, and finally persuaded then-owner Clear Channel to sell him the entire archive for "somewhere between $5 million and $6 million."

As he gives a tour of the warehouse, it's clear this lucky find has become more than just business. His face lights up at a black-and-white picture of a smiling, pregnant Janis Joplin hung in a conference room.

"You'll see a lot of pictures of Joplin smiling here," he says. "She had such a tragic life. I like to see her smiling."

The warehouse itself is a rock history buff's dream. Three floors are lined with shelves, which are stacked full of boxes of posters, pristine tickets for the Fillmore West and Fillmore East shows, postcards, T-shirts and original photographic negatives. Sagan estimates there are more than 20 million individual pieces here.

The original door to the Winterland Arena club in San Francisco stands against one wall. The costumes Graham wore to New Year's Eve shows are stuck in boxes in the basement. The charred and twisted remains of Graham's ever-present megaphone and walkie-talkie, burned when his office was firebombed in the 1980s, sit atop a filing cabinet.

Sagan says he's still personally going through a collection of Graham's correspondence, to and from artists. The letters and yellow Western Union telegrams are "eye-opening, to say the least," he says.

A large portion of what is in these cabinets and on these shelves has been for sale for the last two years through the Wolfgang's Vault Web site (Graham's original name was Wolfgang Grajonca). Items range from tickets and postcards selling for a few dollars, to original Fillmore concert posters for Hendrix, the Dead or other bands, which command thousands of dollars apiece.

Moving memories online
In the basement of the warehouse is the room that holds close to 5,000 hours of videotaped concerts, and a comparable quantity of audio. Nobody's quite sure what Graham had intended to do with all the footage, Sagan says. The vast majority of it is unseen and unheard, with the exception of occasional bootlegs of the same shows.

The Wolfgang's Vault radio service, which launched last Friday, represents the first batch of this audio material to go online. For now, the 14-person company has decided to create a new 70 song to 80 song playlist every week, representing about 7 or 8 hours of music, and will stream it from the Web site.

That's the beginning. Podcasts and music downloads are on the agenda for later this year, and probably video downloads by the end of 2006.

Some of this depends on technology. Right now Sagan's employees are busily going through the digitized audio tapes, preparing and organizing the concerts. Servers with 24 terabytes of storage sit in the air-conditioned basement, holding the audio data alone.

But the company is also working with the artists, labels, songwriters and others who still own rights related to the performances. As many other start-ups have found over the years, music distribution rights can be intensely complicated and time-consuming to secure, particularly for content recorded before digital media was a routine part of contracts.

Sagan says he'll probably wind up selling DVDs and CDs. But he'd rather not. Packaging and mailing takes time and money, and he wants to spend his money on building a better way to download.

That's what the company is focusing on right now. Sagan doesn't want to distribute the work through Apple Computer's iTunes or other services, he said. Instead, his company is trying to build a simple download interface that anyone can use, where "my 82-year-old dad could download a song, and find it afterward to play it," Sagan says.

The rest is depending on the work of the artists to carry itself. Hearing and seeing them live, at the peak of their powers, is a reward in itself, Sagan says. Reliving those experiences will be the thing that draws people, he hopes.

"I remember pretty much every concert I ever went to," he says. "I remember who I went with. I remember where I parked. I remember what the bathrooms smelled like. You really remember the damnedest things."

 


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: 60s; acidrock; billgraham; classicrock; fillmore; hippies; internet; internetradio; rnr; rock; rockandroll; rockmusic; sanfrancisco; sixties; streamingaudio; winterland
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1 posted on 02/17/2006 5:58:26 AM PST by lunarbicep
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To: Supernatural; mrsmel; scott says; Riverman94610; ChildOfThe60s

ping


2 posted on 02/17/2006 7:57:46 AM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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To: lunarbicep

Thanks! I checked out this site a few days ago. There is link in the article that will let you hear the preview. Its really amazing ....a lot of top shelf bands and recordings.


3 posted on 02/17/2006 8:05:51 AM PST by scott says (MSM=Morons Spouting Misinformation)
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To: lunarbicep
In case some didn't see the link, here it is-----

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Static.aspx?Type=Audio/Radio.htm
4 posted on 02/17/2006 8:07:47 AM PST by scott says (MSM=Morons Spouting Misinformation)
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To: lunarbicep

Zep had to be the worst concert I ever saw.


5 posted on 02/17/2006 8:26:00 AM PST by steveo (No Anchovies? You've got the wrong man, I spell my name steveo...)
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To: lunarbicep
Thanks so much for the ping. I might never have known about this if it wasn't for you. I am very, very interested in seeing what the guy has and hearing some of these concerts.

I am also interested in the old TV show from the mid-70's, "Don Kirshner's Rock Concert". That is where I first saw the Eric Burdon Band perform as well as seeing Leslie West put on a great show. All acts performed live with no lip-syncing or dubbing. Anyone know anything about this?
6 posted on 02/17/2006 8:53:52 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: steveo

I saw Led Zepplin live at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh in 1972. Not one of the best shows I have seen. It took them four songs to get warmed up, but after that they improved.

Bob Seger was much better. So were a lot of other shows I have seen.


7 posted on 02/17/2006 8:56:52 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: scott says

Hi, Scott. Went to the link you provide and connected. Hot Tuna playing now from a live performance at Winterland on the last day of 1969. Jorma Koukenen and Jack Cassidy.

Pretty neat!


8 posted on 02/17/2006 9:00:50 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
I am also interested in the old TV show from the mid-70's, "Don Kirshner's Rock Concert".

I remember "DK's rock concert", but IIRC it was always recorded in a studio. Do you remember "In Concert" that only lasted a couple of years? They would just set up some mics, cams and film a concert then edit it down to 60 or 90 mins.

9 posted on 02/17/2006 9:12:26 AM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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To: lunarbicep

I sure do remember it. "In Concert" was on the same years as Don Kirshner's show and was its competition.

A few years ago I tried to find out if video tapes of the "Rock Concert" shows were available. All I found out was some info about Don Kirshner.


10 posted on 02/17/2006 9:18:39 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
I found this:

http://www.jumptheshark.com/a/abcinconcert.htm
the last paragraph sums it up well
11 posted on 02/17/2006 9:24:59 AM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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To: lunarbicep

Cool. Thanks!


12 posted on 02/17/2006 9:52:11 AM PST by ncdrumr
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To: Supernatural; lunarbicep
I went to a number (15ish) of these free concerts as a yout. They were taped in a theater in Long Beach (mebbe Santa Monica?), CA. I managed a record store at the time so we got VIP passes from the label reps so the seats were great. Much fun for free but *very* long time between acts. Typical time in the theater was about ten hours.

Of all the acts I saw the person that impressed me most was James Brown.

13 posted on 02/17/2006 9:55:44 AM PST by steveo (No Anchovies? You've got the wrong man, I spell my name steveo...)
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To: steveo

James Brown. The Godfather of Soul and for a long time one of the hottest acts in the Soul Music business.

"Papa's Got a Brand New Bag". YEEOOOOWWW! HUH!


14 posted on 02/17/2006 10:07:56 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: lunarbicep

And it looks like we are not the only ones interested in the archives. From your link:

The show was great because of the artists, venues, and it was *live*! I wonder if the archives are available.


15 posted on 02/17/2006 10:10:41 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: lunarbicep

"Midnight Special" sucked compared to "In Concert" and "Rock Concert".


16 posted on 02/17/2006 10:12:51 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
I wonder if the archives are available.

everything I'm finding is indicating that it IS NOT currently available. I have to run out for the afternoon, but when I get time later I'll try digging up more info. I'll certainly keep you posted

17 posted on 02/17/2006 10:28:48 AM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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To: lunarbicep
"...persuaded then-owner Clear Channel to sell him the entire archive for "somewhere between $5 million and $6 million."

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The warehouse itself is a rock history buff's dream. Three floors are lined with shelves, which are stacked full of boxes of posters, pristine tickets for the Fillmore West and Fillmore East shows, postcards, T-shirts and original photographic negatives. Sagan estimates there are more than 20 million individual pieces here.

Bargain priced if you ask me. The negatives, posters, and recordings have got to be worth a good deal. Only issue is who owns the rights to the images on those negatives and the music on those recordings.

18 posted on 02/17/2006 11:33:08 AM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: weegee; lunarbicep; Supernatural; nuconvert; Michael.SF.
Here is a link to a NPR interview with the guy behind the site...
Click on the listen here ....
Its about 9 minutes long but it is very interesting.
Apparently a lot of the bands signed releases on the original contracts so it is legal to circulate the music.
It really is an incredible site--

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5201801
19 posted on 02/17/2006 11:52:33 AM PST by scott says (MSM=Morons Spouting Misinformation)
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To: Supernatural

"Cannigijabazzaheah?"
"Yeah!"
"Willajumpazzibuguh?"
"Yeah!"
"What's James saying, man?"
"I don't know, man, but he's paying us. Just keep saying 'yeah'."
"Yeah!"


20 posted on 02/17/2006 11:55:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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