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2 Duke players arrested on Rape Charges (update Media Barf Alert)
AP ^ | 04/18 | Tim Whitmire AP

Posted on 04/18/2006 5:47:49 PM PDT by OakOak

Well before the scandal, the nationally ranked team had a reputation for a swaggering sense of entitlement and boorish frat-boy behavior that included public intoxication and public urination. After the scandal broke, the university announced an investigation into whether it put up with such behavior for too long.


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OMG. The Media has their Knives out.

Reputation for a swaggering sense of entitlement and boorish frat-boy behavior?

Wonder why we have heard of the REPUTATION of the Stripper.

1 posted on 04/18/2006 5:47:52 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

Funny how the similar antics of their saint Bubba didn't bother them so much.


2 posted on 04/18/2006 5:49:00 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Cecily

Pity the next collegiate athlete (football or basketball) who gets charged (correctly or not) with anything.

Are they going to then cancel the entire football/basketball season? Investigate the team's boorish behavior pattern? Fire the coach?

If not, why not?


3 posted on 04/18/2006 5:54:03 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: OakOak
So the "evidence" is that college guys get drunk and do foolish things? This is getting more laughable by the minute.

Besides, I thought that the term "foolish frat boy" was exclusively reserved by the left/media for George W. Bush.

4 posted on 04/18/2006 5:55:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Cecily

It's obvious they're guilty of being White and wealthy.

The case is over. They swaggered.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 5:55:17 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: wagglebee

That's true they did Crucify bush for being a Frat-Boy and
what the hell was Al Gore.. Bill Clinton lived like a Frat-Boy until he was 60 years old.

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6 posted on 04/18/2006 5:56:52 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak
Bill Clinton lived like a Frat-Boy until he was 60 years old.

Did I miss the news about him stopping?!

7 posted on 04/18/2006 5:58:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Perdogg; Mad-Margaret; Carolinamom; panthermom; Jezebelle; mystery-ak; Howlin

PING !


8 posted on 04/18/2006 6:02:38 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: All

There is absolutely no reason why the identity of the second dancer has not been released. She's been on every major network and she's NOT a sexual assualt victim.

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9 posted on 04/18/2006 6:04:06 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: JeffAtlanta

Jeff,

I had to laugh about your 45 minutes on Nancy Grace.

That women is one HATER. She uses that show like her therapy. Damn, she hates men.


10 posted on 04/18/2006 6:08:18 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

The D.A. is out of control. He said weeks ago that the DNA evidence would prove the boys' guilt. Now that there is absolutely no DNA evidence, what are we left to surmise about the stripper slut, that she swallowed the evidence like Monica?


11 posted on 04/18/2006 6:08:37 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: OakOak

They swaggered.



Case closed...lock them up.....thanks for the ping btw


12 posted on 04/18/2006 6:09:57 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: OakOak
That women is one HATER. She uses that show like her therapy. Damn, she hates men.

Just imagine being a defendant in a case that she prosecuted. She got in trouble once for withholding evidence, but I bet that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Imagine getting her as a prosecutor in a domestic violence case.

13 posted on 04/18/2006 6:10:33 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: mystery-ak

The media is SO out-of-control it's frustrating for us that know the details and keep hearing them always misrepresenting facts in a way that benefits the poor stripper/car-jacker/cop-killer wannabe


14 posted on 04/18/2006 6:11:42 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: JeffAtlanta

I did read where Nancy had been sanctioned mutliple times.

You have to wonder why all the phone calls always expound on Nancy's side of the story. It's amazing what call screeners and a 9 second delay can do.

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15 posted on 04/18/2006 6:13:30 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

I missed Nancy Grace tonight...I hear she was something else....she doesn't even want to consider the possibility that this woman may be lying and how this may destroy the lives of these two young men.....


16 posted on 04/18/2006 6:15:29 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: mystery-ak

Yes, she had a specialist on to say that it's so hard for women to make these charges. Basically, women don't make these type of charges falsely


But, a couple years ago, 4 St. Johns Basketball players were charged with gang-rape.. The only thing that saved the players was .. she got greedy .. she was blackmailing them for their basketball careers (and pro careers).. A player wore a wire and got her on record making statements to show their was no gang-rape and if they pay enough, she won't testify - and the case will go away. The woman readily agreed to a Rape exam, too.

Other cases too.


17 posted on 04/18/2006 6:20:14 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: All

Here's another example of Media bias.

USATODAY printed the accusations and the player's records on the front page day after day.

When the DNA results came back, the article was in the Sports section only.

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18 posted on 04/18/2006 6:23:20 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: mystery-ak

Has Drama Queen Nancy ever heard of that other drama queen, Tawana Brawley?


19 posted on 04/18/2006 6:39:19 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: OakOak
Nice job, AP.

The Duke kids?

1. "graduates of Northern prep schools"

2. "a reputation for a swaggering sense of entitlement and boorish frat-boy behavior that included public intoxication and public urination. "

3. " products of wealthy New York City suburbs and all-male Roman Catholic prep schools."

4. " charged in Washington with assault "

The accuser?

Well she's merely a "a 27-year-old student and mother of two"
20 posted on 04/18/2006 6:43:07 PM PDT by Fido969 (It's all about ME)
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To: CondorFlight

That's easy, the lacrosse team was 99% white; they may however cancel a golf season. You know only white rich boys play golf


21 posted on 04/18/2006 6:46:02 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: Fido969

Exactly! That's a great snyopsis of the media reporting.

It' shameful. Even CNN's Jeffrey Toobin.. He always sides with the Defense. O.J. wasn't guilty in his opinion.

Yet, Toobin says DNA-SMENA.. Doesn't matter and, of course, they start talking about the Cul-de-sacs the players grew up on. How come they don't hold being rich against Larry King or Hillary Clinton, Barbara Striesand, Oprah, or Ellen?

Barbara Walters, Paula Zhan, etc.. BUT, they hate these kids for being Rich.


22 posted on 04/18/2006 6:48:59 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: Cecily

Good Point about Tawana - and wasn't Jesse Jackson one of her supporters too?

Even after the facts came out and all reasonable people understood what happened - didn't they then claim the DA was involved in the Rape when the charges were dropped.
The was a noticable absence of Black leadership when it was totally exposed as a HOAX. Some Black leaders never did stop supporting her ever-shifting crazy claims.

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23 posted on 04/18/2006 6:53:43 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

During Rush's show on 1040 am, WHO out of DesMoines Iowa, the nwsbreak at the top of the hour mentioned that the defense attorneys are saying that they have proof in the form of receipts that one of the boys who was arrested wasn't even there.


24 posted on 04/18/2006 6:55:31 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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True. It's true.

Did anyone catch the 2nd Stripper's Lawyer's comments. Well, it seems her story changed from supporting the Defense's side of events to calling the Defense's version "out and out lies"
after getting her new attorney.

Her new attorney was making statements about the support for this accuser-stripper and he sounded like Al Sharpton. He spoke like it was settled that she was Gang-Raped.

I wonder if some serious self-promotion (in the black community) is going on here with her lawyer and he's just using her to advance himself. Of course, her story changing will just weaken the woman's claims.

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25 posted on 04/18/2006 6:59:49 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: Fido969

If we are going to resort to stereotypes instead of facts then I say the woman is a 'ho, she has 2 kids, but doesn't know who their daddies are, she's on welfare, she speaks ebonics and she strips and ho's around to support her crack habit, while her mother cares for her children. She even has one of those swirly hairdos with that maroon cast to it. 2 inch long acrylic nails that are decorated with airbrushed nail art. Her fashion tastes run between animal print and neon, 4 sizes too small. Oh and I almost forgot, she has at least one gold tooth in front with her astrological sign embossed in it.


26 posted on 04/18/2006 7:01:53 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: OakOak

I lived in New York then and there was a lawyer I think his name was Alton Maddox. He and Sharpton were vicious. I believe he was disbarred.


27 posted on 04/18/2006 7:04:35 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: OakOak

Has Duke considered doing what Slick KKKlintler would do to move on past some sort of an ugly rape allegation, i.e. bomb some innocent Christian nation for eighty days and nights including Easter Sunday? Does Duke have any sort of an airforce?


28 posted on 04/18/2006 7:06:20 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: panthermom

You're right. That's a blast from the past.

Another point: The accuser contacted her former Lawyer after this case (he admitted they had had recent contact). Did he or his staff check into the Net-worth of these guys ID'd?

The IDs are attached to wealth, I'm sure.

Of course, the one guys name and face had been in the paper for a previous (only one with something other than misdemeanor alcohol type-stuff, I believe). So, that also weighs in her benefit.

Also, I've heard rumors that the woman was recently in financial trouble. Let's not forget the reported $2000.00 that was initially said to have been "stolen" from her.

I don't even think she was supposed to be driving (License Suspension), yet there reports of her driving sometime before the event and the day after (according to her own father).

Is this the type of person we (ANYONE) should bank on to put young students away for 16 years? There is no witness. The only person able to back up her story, wishes she was more observant (she's brillant).

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29 posted on 04/18/2006 7:12:01 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: tomzz

The Duke Admin bowed to political correctness right away.

Before any details were out (or the DNA results were in), a black Duke Professor went on National TV and said that Rape is primarily perpetrated by White males and it always has been according to the 'distinguished' professor.

Notice how little press it has received that Daryl LittleJohn (NY Murder/mutilation) was linked (by DNA) to other rapes and crimes in NY. Why doesn't the media like that story?

Wasn't that a Black man raping, mutilating, and Killing a white woman? It wasn't reported like that though. Isn't it funny how it always happens like that.

Here's a challenge, find an article on this Duke case that doesn't identify the alleged perps as White or the alleged Victim as black. How you have a super-computer and a lot of time.


30 posted on 04/18/2006 7:17:33 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

More observant, it's not like this happened in a mansion and she was whisked off to another wing. My gosh, my house is way bigger and I can hear all kinds of commotion going on in it with 3 tv's blaring in the backround, three kids, all of their friends and 2 dogs. 4 people, in what I would guess to be a small bathroom violently struggling and the other girl didn't hear anything or think anything was amiss?


31 posted on 04/18/2006 7:20:08 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Did you see my theory on the nails? I think it is more significant that first glance.

The Search Warrant, which are exacting, reported they confiscated 5 (FIVE) fingernails.

The DA, when submitting another court document to a judge to get further approval to move forward, wrote that FOUR RED artificial nails were recovered consistent with the Accuser's account of events.

This makes me think that 4 were found with RED polish (which is her story), but one was found unpolished. This would support the defense's version that she was doing her nails. Doing nails doesn't comport with the DA's version at all. As it was very violent and ugly and she narrowly escaped with her life.

Disregard, if I already pinged you on this one.
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32 posted on 04/18/2006 7:30:25 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: panthermom

Yes, and the Defense was excited after they talked with the 2nd stripper and then I believe, one of the Race Baiters got a hold of this woman. One of the people that either lives off of the Race issue (or wants to like Jesse's entire family and Al Sharpton who's never had a job).


33 posted on 04/18/2006 7:32:33 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: All

Ted Williams / FOX / Greta doesn't believe anything the players or their lawyers say - although they've been proved to be right up to this point.
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Is it any surprise Ted Williams can't logically process the facts in this case. He spoke for the black community of NY in the Daryl Littlejohn case. He thought it may be a huge coverup. He compared Littlejohn to the black guys arrested in Aruba.

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34 posted on 04/18/2006 7:45:21 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

Look at it this way, flip the races:
The central park jogger rape case was covered pretty heavily back in 2001 (not sure of exact dates) because they were trying to get some sentences of the males who confessed! to committing the crime overturned because of DNA. The raped jogger (who was pronounced DOA and then resucitated (sp?) at the hospital) didn't have the DNA of the perps on her, well, obiviously they are innocent.


35 posted on 04/18/2006 7:50:38 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: OakOak

Thanks. Yes, I did happen to read that and thought you made an excellent observation.

The idea that she must have been painting her fingernails seems supported by the photo evidence (and presumably physical paint evidence) that she smeared her freshly-painted nails on the back porch railing when she fell down.

Also, the fact that she was photographed dancing without all of her nails, and that nails were found in the bathroom, supports the idea that she started putting on her fake nails when she got there but because she was late and people were pressuring her to get started stripping, didn't bother to finish.

What I'm a little mystified by, however, is that after ugly words were exchanged and Kim slapped one of the guys, the two strippers called off the show and sequestered themselves in the bathroom. The guys claim they are telling them to leave and slipping money under the door.

Now why on earth is the accuser painting her nails at this point in time? Is she retarded? She and Kim have called off the stripping and the guys tell them to leave.

I don't understand why she would be doing that, although it appears supported by evidence.


36 posted on 04/18/2006 8:40:34 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: OakOak

It is my understanding that the 2nd stripper was interviewed by the defense. I've assumed the record of that to be admissible evidence. Or did I assume too much?


37 posted on 04/18/2006 8:45:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: tomzz
Does Duke have any sort of an airforce?

Some of their basketball players can really sky.

38 posted on 04/18/2006 8:47:36 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: OakOak
what the hell was Al Gore

A pot-head, according to those who knew him back then

39 posted on 04/18/2006 8:50:00 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Ken H

Ken,

It's coming in.. It's admissable, they'll hit her with both barrels.

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40 posted on 04/18/2006 8:53:00 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

In Ref to the girls locking themselves in the bathroom.

I worked very briefly at a carryout restaurant (with a couple tables) and we had the biggest problems with junkies coming in and doing drugs in the bathroom. Sometimes we had to break in and they were delerious. And, sometimes they'd be in there for an hour. But, the bathroom was the preferred place to snort or shoot up. Would it surprise anyone if these fine young women were doing drugs in that bathroom and at least one of them took too much after drinking earlier?

The DEFENSE is going to go Ballistic if the Medical Center did NOT do the Standard TOX tests to be performed on reported rape victims. They will parade witnesses for unending hours to document that that is the standard methodology.

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41 posted on 04/18/2006 8:58:23 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

I heard or read that when Kim drove the accuser to the shopping center area, and after the security guard questioned them, her boyfriend/pimp, picked her up and took her to the hospital. I think this is when the "rape" took place. If the nurse/doctor insisted there was evidence of a recent sexual assult, why don't they take the boyfriend's DNA and compare it to what they found on her?

I think the key here is....who took her to the hospital? If it was the boyfriend, she and he could have planned at this time to blame the Duke boys for the "rape."


42 posted on 04/18/2006 9:15:47 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: toldyou

One guest on Abrams (defense attorney not involved) said that her boyfriend took her to the hospital.

However, recent info looks like the police took her to a Psych ward (not her boyfriend) and then she was transferred to the Medical center.

Two important things:

1) the SANE nurse cannot tell WHEN the injuries occured (can't discern between 3 or 30 hours ago).

2) The private area injuries are JUST AS CONSISTENT with Consensual sex as they are Rape. The SANE nurse is basically saying sometimes in the previously 36 hours the woman had sex (anally also). Also typical private stripper shows where sex toys are used create the same exact microscopic tissue damage and leave NO DNA.


43 posted on 04/18/2006 9:24:41 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak
Now why on earth is the accuser painting her nails at this point in time? Is she retarded? She and Kim have called off the stripping and the guys tell them to leave.

Okay, speculating as to a scenario that might fit the apparent facts here:

Someone says something ugly to Kim just after they started their routine. Maybe even shakes a lacrosse stick at her and says something like, "how bout using this, sweetheart? or is it too small for you?" -- you get the idea.

Kim, who doesn't crap from anyone, especially some Dukie, turns to the guy and slaps him a good one. Maybe even makes the comment about his small white manhood.

Kim storms off into the bathroom. The accuser, who isn't at all angry, follows her into the bathroom.

Kim tells her she wants to go, the accuser tries to argue Kim into staying so they can earn some tip money. The two women discuss what to do, and because the accuser is hoping to stay, she starts finishing putting her nails on and painting them, but doesn't get very far before Kim tells her point blank, I'm leaving. The accuser then says okay, but let me call my boyfriend to come get me. She can't reach the boyfriend, and makes Kim promise to give her a ride somewhere to where the boyfriend can meet her.

The accuser may well have taken some kind of drug while in the bathroom. It appears Kim did not take any drugs, because Kim was able to be completely functional for the next hour, driving the car, conversing with the 911 operator, talking to Angel the Kroger guard (she sounds sober on the recording, but Angel smelled alcohol on her breath). Kim seems completely in control of herself during the entire timeline, probably only had a couple of beers the entire night.

Whatever the accuser may have ingested acted upon her very quickly, because while she was able to perform her routine (albeit perhaps somewhat drunkenly), and walk into the bathroom, and put on her fingernails and fingernail polish, and possibly make cellphone calls, nevertheless only 15 minutes later she is literally passing out, falling down on the porch so badly she smears her nails on the rail and cuts and bruises herself, and then just lies there on the ground for a while. And has to be carried to the car by a lacrosse player. And is so out of it she leaves her cellphone and purse on the back porch where she dropped them when she passed out.

So it seems her condition, which may have just started out with a big buzz, got dramatically worse quickly. Almost what one might see with a diabetic suddenly going into insulin shock.

44 posted on 04/18/2006 9:25:51 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: OakOak

"1) the SANE nurse cannot tell WHEN the injuries occured (can't discern between 3 or 30 hours ago)."


Okay...well that makes sense.

I've been listening to the MSM too much, and they make it seem that the SANE nurse reported that it was definitely a recent (within a few hours) sexual assult.


45 posted on 04/18/2006 9:36:12 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

You may be right. They are some good ideas.

However, since she is seen limping in one shoe (missing right shoe) 2 minutes after arriving - I think the accuser may have been well into getting F'd up.

I, too, have thought that the accuser in an altered state may have TURNED mood wise after she made the smiling call (ostensibly to her boyfriend or pimp). Maybe he had 5 women that he convinced he was dedicated to and he may have informed her he wasn't coming to get her OR that he was with someone else .. It's hard to tell.. But, even liberal media types (Abrams) describe her smiling and using or getting her phone in a picture after the bathroom 27 minute time period of no pictures.

Your explanation is just as plausible. Thanks


46 posted on 04/18/2006 9:37:21 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: toldyou

No. Michael Cordoza (a respected Defense attorney) and Kobilinsky - a sexual forensics EXPERT that teaches at John Jay COllege in New York both said SANE nurses can't guage between 3 or 30 hours - unless, of course, it's an extreme case.

Cordoza said that every expert he has used will tell you that, for the most part, what a SANE nurse says is consistent with Rape is ALSO consistent with consensual sex.

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47 posted on 04/18/2006 9:41:22 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I think you are right about Kim. I think she is mouthy and aggressive - personality wise. And that's not unusual for strippers.

In one of the pictures early on she is extending her arm toward on the players - in the action of pointing at someone maybe?
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48 posted on 04/18/2006 9:43:12 PM PDT by OakOak
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To: OakOak

I'd like to see that photo of the accuser at the back door smiling and holding her cellphone up.

Is she standing normally upright and talking into the phone? In this case I would wonder whether she didn't just lose her footing because she'd had too much drink and hit her head, maybe having a concussion.

Or is she leaning up against (being held up by) the door, face pressed on the (screen?) door, looking completely sh!t-faced? In this case I would think she was drugged.



49 posted on 04/18/2006 9:49:53 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: mystery-ak
They swaggered

After going years without seeing that word in print, in the last month, I bet I've seen it a hundred times.

50 posted on 04/18/2006 9:58:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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