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Vitamin C: Cancer cure?
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 6/18/2006 | Marie McCullough

Posted on 06/18/2006 4:24:27 PM PDT by wjersey

Is mainstream medical science ignoring an inexpensive, painless, readily available cure for cancer?

Mark Levine mulls this loaded question.

The government nutrition researcher has published new evidence that suggests vitamin C can work like chemotherapy - only better. But so far, he hasn't been able to interest cancer experts in conducting the kind of conclusive studies that, one way or the other, would advance treatment.

"If vitamin C is useful in cancer treatment, that's wonderful. If it's not, or if it's harmful, that's fine, too," said Levine, a Harvard-educated physician at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. "The goal is: Find what's true. Either way, the public wins, clinicians win, and patients win."

If Linus Pauling, the two-time Nobel laureate turned vitamin C zealot, had taken an equally dispassionate stance 30 years ago, who knows where the vitamin would be in oncology today. Surely not where it is: a dubious alternative on the fringes of medicine, despite its continuing links to remissions and cures.

This is not about popping supplements. It's about putting high-dose vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, into a vein, which requires needles and trained professionals.

The distinction between oral and intravenous is crucial. The body automatically gets rid of extra C through urine. Levine's lab has shown that, at high concentrations, the vitamin is toxic to many types of cancer cells in lab dishes. But to get that much C into the body before it's eliminated, it must be put directly into the blood.

This may explain the defining setback of Pauling's crusade. He and his collaborator, Scottish surgeon Ewan Cameron, gave C intravenously and orally, and claimed many of their cancer patients lived surprisingly long and well. In the 1970s, two rigorous government studies intended to test their claims gave only pills - and found no benefits.

How could so many smart people, including Pauling, ignore a variable as basic as the body's ability to absorb and clear a drug?

"I don't want to impugn anyone," Levine said. "It's one of these things where somebody didn't ask the right questions."

So Levine keeps on, driven by the still-open question:

Can intravenous C do what even the costliest, most targeted, most effective therapies cannot: kill cancer cells without harming healthy ones?

500 oranges

Loretta Hill, 42, of Pittsgrove, Salem County, sits at a faux granite table, facing a TV, chatting with two other cancer patients in the Marlton office suite of family physician Vivienne Matalon.

Each patient is tethered to an intravenous bag of C and other nutrients hung above the table that will take 40 minutes to drip into them. The fee, not usually covered by insurance, is $110.

Hill can't prove that C saved her from colon cancer, but she fervently believes it has.

She was diagnosed in 2001, at age 38, after a sudden bout of rectal bleeding. She had surgery, radiation, two courses of chemo. Six months later, the cancer was back - but had spread to both lungs.

After those tumors were cut out, her oncologist offered irinotecan, which costs about $9,500 a week. But, she says, he held out little hope. He declined to be interviewed.

By then, Hill could barely function, much to the anguish of her husband and 9-year-old daughter.

When she heard about Matalon's ascorbate infusions, she figured, "If this doesn't work, at least I'll be in a better position for more chemo."

Today, almost four years later, Hill is in college part time, plays soccer, and has no signs of cancer. Her weekly C dosage has been cut to 30 grams - about 500 oranges' worth - but she has no plans to quit because her only side effects are "fabulous hair and skin."

Bill Nath, 69, a Wichita, Kan., businessman, is an even more provocative case.

In 1996, blood in his urine led to a diagnosis of bladder cancer. Tumors were invading the organ and surrounding muscle.

Nath consulted experts at four major cancer centers from Wichita to New York. All recommended chemo, radiation, and removal of all or part of the bladder. Total removal would include the prostate, adding risks of incontinence and impotence.

One specialist "said if I didn't remove the whole bladder, I would die," said Nath. "It was pretty traumatic."

Nath ultimately made a choice that seemed suicidal to his wife, friends, and doctors: to keep part of his bladder and forgo chemo and radiation.

Instead, he got 30 grams of C twice a week for three months, then every month or two for four years at the Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning in Wichita. It was founded by Hugh Riordan, a physician and friend of Pauling's, now deceased.

Today, a decade after his diagnosis, Nath is cancer-free.

Levine, in collaboration with National Cancer Institute pathologists, reexamined, then published Nath's case and two others from Riordan's center. While such "case reports" prove nothing, Levine hoped they would stir interest in reexamining ascorbate in oncology.

But as Nath has discovered, when it comes to C, people who hear hoofbeats look for zebras.

"Everybody thought I was crazy," he said. "Now they probably think... it's a miracle or something."

Not a miracle

Vitamin C is not miraculous, proponents say. Just as some people die despite standard treatment, some die despite ascorbate drips.

"We may not be able to affect the ultimate outcome," said Matalon, who sees about 15 ascorbate patients a week. "But I think we see a dramatic improvement in quality of life."

The problem is, anecdotes and impressions don't count. Skeptics ask: Where's the data on dosing and regimens, on tumor responses, on survival?

"As far as I know, that kind of registry just doesn't exist now, and it's a huge weakness of the movement," acknowledged Ron Hunninghake, chief medical officer at Riordan's center, which is starting a database.

In any case, as consumers clamor for alternative therapies, intravenous C is gaining fans. Reports of side effects are rare, and risky patients - with kidney problems or blood disorders - are easily screened out.

"Interest is definitely growing," said Kenneth Bock, physician and president of the American College for Advancement in Medicine, an alternative-medicine society that teaches ascorbate infusion protocols.

Interest is not growing, however, among mainstream oncologists, judging from conferences, publications, and interviews with some of them.

The National Cancer Institute, with a $5 billion budget, is not sponsoring studies of intravenous C. Neither is the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine - although it is paying for cancer studies of the noni extract herbal supplement and Reiki energy healing. The American Cancer Society and the American Association of Clinical Oncologists warn patients against high-dose C, as do leading cancer centers such as the University of Pennsylvania's and Memorial Sloan-Kettering in new York.

Jeffrey White, director of the National Cancer Institute's office of cancer complementary and alternative medicine, said that he's tried to "generate awareness" of Levine's research, and believes it justifies more studies in humans. But White acknowledged that the NCI has rejected "a few" proposals for such studies.

At the prestigious Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., oncologist Edward Creagan said the idea that intravenous, but not oral, levels are toxic to cancer is "an intriguing concept."

"However, my own belief is that the vitamin C story is really ancient history," he said. "It would be very difficult for patients and clinicians to mount a lot of enthusiasm for another vitamin C study."

It was Creagan and his Mayo colleague, Charles Moertel, since deceased, who in the 1970s conducted the two NCI-funded "clinical trials" that showed vitamin C pills were no better than placebo pills for cancer patients.

A clinical trial is considered ultra-reliable because it is designed to keep beliefs and hopes from slanting findings.

Pauling lobbied for a trial, then later contended that the Mayo researchers enrolled unsuitable patients. A second trial in response to Pauling's criticism also bombed. Again he faulted the Mayo oncologists. He also threatened a libel suit against a Rochester newspaper for the headline "Pauling Wrong on Vitamin C for Cancer," and accused the New England Journal of Medicine and the NCI of accepting a "fraudulent" study, according to Australian medical historian Evelleen Richards.

By then, Pauling advocated treating everything from the common cold to mental illness with vitamins and other substances he dubbed "orthomolecular," meaning "right molecule." To many colleagues, this genius and visionary, winner of the 1954 Nobel in chemistry and the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize for his antiwar work, had become a kook - "The Old Man and the C".

Decades later, both skeptics and fans of C are gun-shy about more trials.

"There's tremendous resistance to even test this," Levine said. "It's very hard to revisit something like this without data. Information is diamonds."

As the chief of the molecular and clinical nutrition section at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases - hardly a hotbed of federal cancer research - Levine discovered some diamonds "by accident."

In the early 1990s, his lab began looking at how the concentration of a nutrient affects its function, and how the body gets the proper concentration.

"As part of those studies, we looked at how vitamin C is absorbed in the intestine," Levine said.

By 2000, when that work led to an increase in the U.S. recommended daily allowance of vitamin C, Levine had become an expert on ascorbate's "pharmacokinetics" - what the body does to the drug.

Consumers and scientists already knew that ascorbate was an "antioxidant," meaning it protects cells from reactive oxygen molecules - the same marauders that turn peeled apples brown and wet metal rusty.

Indeed, the reason the American Cancer Society and others discourage ascorbate megadoses is that a few studies of cells in dishes suggest C might protect cancer from oxidant damage. Chemotherapy and radiation work partly by intentionally unleashing this damage.

But Levine's lab-dish studies showed that ascorbate transforms from an antioxidant into just the opposite - an oxidant promoter - when it reaches high concentrations. At these levels, which are achievable in the body only intravenously, C acts like a toxic drug by generating hydrogen peroxide, a powerful oxidant used as a bleaching agent, an antiseptic, and even a World War II rocket fuel.

Still, the biochemistry was puzzling. Putting pure peroxide in the bloodstream can be fatal, so why did patients feel fine when the vitamin that produces it was dripped into their veins?

Levine's experiments offered possible answers. Vitamin C did not generate peroxide in blood, only in liquid such as that found in body cavities. Thus, in the body, intravenous C must seep out of the blood to work.

Five out of nine types of cancer cells that were put in simulated body-cavity fluid died when concentrated ascorbate or peroxide was added to the dish. And the best part: This same lethal marinade had no effect on healthy cells.

For some reason, cancer cells were like the Wicked Witch of the West splashed with water - powerful villains vanquished by a mundane substance that is harmless to good guys.

Previously, Riordan had speculated that this was partly because an enzyme that neutralizes peroxide is abundant inside normal cells, and scarce inside cancerous ones. But by inducing cells to take in C, Levine proved that the internal concentration doesn't matter; malignant cells withered only when C surrounded them.

Armed with this new evidence, a coterie of researchers - all associated with Pauling or his disciples - have recently obtained private funding for small trials of intravenous C.

University of Kansas Medical Center physician Jeanne Drisko has $375,000 for a trial of 30 ovarian cancer patients. In Montreal, McGill University oncologist Wilson Miller has $300,000 to find the maximum safe doses for treating various cancers.

Meanwhile, Levine is forging ahead with animal studies, trying to decipher the molecular magic of C's selective toxicity.

Does that mean he believes C is an unsung cancer weapon?

"I think that question is akin to 'Do you still beat your wife?' " he said. "The question I would ask is: Shouldn't we investigate the potential of ascorbate as a drug?... Let's not guess anymore. Let's be motivated by the truth."


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: ascorbicacid; cancer; cancercure; health; supplements; vitaminc; vitamins

1 posted on 06/18/2006 4:24:29 PM PDT by wjersey
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To: wjersey
Each patient is tethered to an intravenous bag of C and other nutrients hung above the table that will take 40 minutes to drip into them. The fee, not usually covered by insurance, is $110.

After those tumors were cut out, her oncologist offered irinotecan, which costs about $9,500 a week. But, she says, he held out little hope. He declined to be interviewed.

I don’t think we need to look any further to know why there is no funding for vitamin C research.

2 posted on 06/18/2006 4:56:41 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

Several years ago, a urologist visited from Brazil, husband of my wifes friend. He stated that he had cured bladder cancer by direct injections of vit C into the tumor. Your article is the first I have come across of similar cases.


3 posted on 06/19/2006 5:05:10 AM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: wjersey

Mucho deniro is made by drug companies off today's cancer drugs. Vitamins cannot be patented, and therefore cut into the profits of those companies. So, the moral of the story is...


4 posted on 06/19/2006 1:55:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: larryjohnson

Thanks, but its wjersey's article.


5 posted on 06/19/2006 4:25:45 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: larryjohnson
I am a cancer survivor. 5 years ago, I was diagnosed with aggressive, invasive carcinoma of the breast. I had surgery and was told I needed radiation and chemo. I declined both. I opted for the vit. C intravenous therapy. I monitor with the A.M.A.S. cancer test. Doing great. I wish everyone would DO THEIR HOMEWORK, realize the damaging effects of chemo and radiation. Don't even get me started on what I think of the FDA and my insurance company. cv
6 posted on 07/03/2006 4:47:17 PM PDT by cathyval
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To: larryjohnson
I am a cancer survivor. 5 years ago, I was diagnosed with aggressive, invasive carcinoma of the breast. I had surgery and was told I needed radiation and chemo. I declined both. I opted for the vit. C intravenous therapy. I monitor with the A.M.A.S. cancer test. Doing great. I wish everyone would DO THEIR HOMEWORK, realize the damaging effects of chemo and radiation. Don't even get me started on what I think of the FDA and my insurance company. cv
7 posted on 07/03/2006 4:50:23 PM PDT by cathyval
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To: larryjohnson
I have been reading about the effectiveness of intravenous Vit C to treat cancer, and other maladies.

I KNOW that Vit C has the ability to treat inflammations in the body. I cured my rheumatoid arthritis with Vit C and when I injured my shoulder (probably a torn rotator cuff), I noticed that when I took a gram of Vit C, the pain in my shoulder lessened. I've done internet research on pain and Vit C. There's tons in there. There's also much info about intravenous Vit C.

For those who are going to claim that it is risky and perhaps ineffective, I asked them to consider the riskiness of chemo and radiation and their effectiveness. I'll opt for the intravenous Vit C, thank you.

8 posted on 07/03/2006 5:10:07 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: cathyval

Good for you.


9 posted on 07/03/2006 5:11:35 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wjersey

How does one go about finding a practitioner who administers intravenous Vit C?


10 posted on 07/03/2006 8:42:16 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
FDA banned red yeast rice because it lowered cholesterol levels better than drugs produced by Big Pharm.
11 posted on 07/03/2006 8:44:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yeah. If anyone were to look closely, they'd see the FDA banning every natural cure because they can't patent natural remedies and make many $$$$. They would much rather watch people slowly die from their crappy excuses for a drug than to clue them in on the inexpensive, natural, healthful remedy. The FDA outta be prosecuted for it's deliberate dereliction of duty. The SCUM BUCKETS...


12 posted on 07/04/2006 8:19:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

This is why Codex Alimentarius is being implemented. The globalists running the UN, the WTO, and WHO know that it is easier to enslave sick people in their fascist New World Order than it is to enslave healthy people. Having a sick population is one of the main goals into implementing global tyranny.


13 posted on 08/15/2006 4:21:43 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Well, it's good to know that there are at least a few people in the U.S. that are aware of this insidious attempt to slaughter our people. This concept does not stop with cancer either. It is in every aspect of our lives here in the U.S. There are plenty of organizations/businesses that use this concept in their business endeavors, whether unwittingly or knowingly. In either case it does not matter, for eliminating and enslaving people is inhumane, immoral, and incomprehensible to us normal folks who just want to live a normal life...


14 posted on 08/15/2006 4:33:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: wjersey
Makes sense. Wasn't there some article the other day saying that hot dogs cause cancer? I had heard years ago that citrus counteracted this possibility.

Reader's Digest had a bit about about Vitamin D helping to prevent cancer. Just about 10-15 minutes of sun a day. Or how long it takes before you turn slightly pink.

15 posted on 08/15/2006 4:38:34 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Like food and fun? Join the Freeper Kitchen ping list.)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

"Slaughtering people" and "eliminating people"...you pointed out something else I forgot to point out in my previous message. The UN has already called for an 80% reduction in global population. I firmly believe that this has already been implemented in America. What are the best-selling foods in America? Processed foods, loaded with chemicals and preservatives. The UN population reduction agenda is already in place in China with the "1 child per family" policy. That same policy will apply to Americans in the near future.


16 posted on 08/15/2006 5:56:42 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: All

Does Dr. Savage still have his yahoo account? The last time I sent something to him it was returned to me saying his box was full. Anyway, Im sure Dr. Savage would know about this.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 5:59:10 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah. When will all of the citizens of the United States get their heads out of the sand, get off the merry-go-round, and wake up to what is actually happening right under their noses. Many people have become frogs slowly boiling to death, because frogs just can't tell the difference when stuff is slowly introduced. And there exists many slimey political machines/people/groups that reinforce the deadly nonsense...


18 posted on 08/15/2006 6:04:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
Well said. The FDA is a joke. Fox guarding the henhouse.

I'm sticking to an all-natural, holistic approach to my health. I eat whole-grain foods and vitamin supplements such as garlic and Omega-3 oil. Olive oil is good too.

19 posted on 08/15/2006 6:05:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yeah. I'm all for the fish oil, too. They used it in the past(with great success)so it gets my vote to cure my ills...


20 posted on 08/15/2006 6:52:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Regarding the FDA, they are not only a joke, but they are lying, thieving, cheaters and pathetic excuses for human beings, that are totally war crime candidates in my opinion. In other words, string 'em up by their toes, and let 'em dangle over the ocean...


21 posted on 08/15/2006 6:57:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Tha FDA is part of the criminal cartel known as Big Pharma. The FDA uses GESTAPO-STYLE TACTICS! The FDA actively suppresses free speech, which means they have VIOLATED the FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 7:11:05 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Kevin Trudeau's book is one that should be read by everyone to expose these fakes.

Book: Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau

Yeah, and where are the civil rights people when they are really and truly needed? They only seem to make themselves known when they are utterly unnecessary, unwanted, and uneeded. It's about time for them to earn their pay and do something really constructive, instead of being Dr. Destructo...





23 posted on 08/15/2006 7:21:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

I have his book. It's good.

People need to start eating fresh foods (especially plant-based foods...eating meat is not a sin, but gluttony is), not the processed junk. As I've stated before, the chemicals, additives, and preservatives in processed foods (including regular and diet sodas) are among the root causes of illnesses in America, and the drugs that Big Pharma pushes on everybody makes these illnesses even worse.

That Atkins Diet? It's a gluttonous diet. Gluttonous diets almost always fail. The Atkins Diet may cause you to lose weight...but it's at the expense of your cholesterol and triglyceride levels. A proper diet includes eating lots of plant-based foods, including fruits...and if you have a juice extractor, you can make your own fresh juices. (Right now, my favorite juice combination is carrot, spinach, watermelon/cantaloupe, and apple.) Any diet which lists fruits as a no-no is not worthy of being called a diet.


24 posted on 08/17/2006 7:28:52 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: wjersey

bump for later


25 posted on 08/17/2006 9:08:49 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: wjersey

bttt


26 posted on 08/18/2006 11:30:05 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: bigdcaldavis

"...and if you have a juice extractor, you can make your own fresh juices."

Carrot/apple is quite a tasty drink. Think I'll put a juicer on my Christmas list...


27 posted on 08/18/2006 12:31:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: cathyval

I had a close friend die recently of cancer...it was due to the chemo...IMHO. FDA is there to protect conventional medical industry and big pharma not the American People.


28 posted on 08/18/2006 12:42:39 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Just learned that Kevin Trudeau has a new book out. It' the one referred to in his first book. He was on a talk show I watched last night. His new book is: More Natural Cures Revealed...


29 posted on 08/21/2006 2:05:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

I saw the infomercial, too. The infomercial host is the same guy who hosted the "Almighty Cleanse" infomercial.


30 posted on 08/22/2006 5:47:52 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Well, the Center for Consumer Freedom also reports that the selenium found in fish cancels out any mercury in the fish. Of course you could also say that the CCF is the PR firm for "Big Food".


31 posted on 08/22/2006 5:51:08 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Just remember to always thorougly wash your fruits and vegetables so you won't ingest those nasty pesticides.


32 posted on 08/22/2006 5:54:15 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

I have always done that. And for the past several years, I've been using a bio-degradable cleaner(Shaklee) and it does an excellent job. It's unbelievable all the crap they put on fruits and vegetables to preserve them. The wax...Yuk! The Shaklee stuff with water, just causes all the wax to turn white and gritty, so you can't miss it when cleaning it off the apples. It looks like some horrible disease. The apple distributors simply outta be fired for utter contempt for the health of consumers. But so should all the other people who put corrosive and harmful stuff in/on food...


33 posted on 08/23/2006 8:31:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

I hope one day the FDA gets a dose of sanity by removing aspartame from the marketplace. I imagine aspartame is probably the main reason why cases of Alzheimer's and MS have skyrocketed.

But I don't think we'll ever see any sanity at the FDA. And the FTC? They're part of Big Pharma's criminal cartel as well. If Big Pharma's criminal cartel was based on "Animal Farm", The FDA and the FTC would be the Dogs (the bullies), Big Pharma would be the Pigs (greedy swines they already are), and 99% of "We the People" would be the Sheep.


34 posted on 08/24/2006 1:49:31 AM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah, the FTC is just as big a criminal as the FDA. All anyone has to do is look at the baloney they allow over the airwaves. And look at all the lies and liars that exist in advertising. That is the biggest farce. Advertisers know they are causing harm by spewing their lies. But they don't give a rip about anything except the $$$$. The PIGS!

Anyway, the aspartame is something else. If people only knew the harm it causes once ingested. Formaldehyde. Yeah, that's a great preservative, FOR DEAD PEOPLE. Good 'ole aspartame is FDA approved and it turns into formaldehyde in combination with all other stomach substances. The aftertaste is the biggest clue. But most people don't even pay attention to that because they just figure if it's FDA approved it has the Seal of God on it. Yeah, well, the way I see it if it's FDA approved, the red flag goes up and I wonder what's wrong with it...


35 posted on 08/24/2006 8:34:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Not only that, but the FDA has approved the following :

1. Allowing the "morning after" pill to be sold over the counter...even though the pill has been known to kill people

2. The VeriChip "to replace the Medic ID bracelet", when the REAL reason for approving the VeriChip is to usher in the Big Brother "beast system" where you will be tracked at all times. Now all the VeriChip people need is a Hollywood "it" girl to harp about how "cool/hip/trendy/stylish/sexy" it is to get chipped...chances are they will probably want this Hollywood "it" girl to have direct connections to the military...if that's the case, then I know who it is. I won't mention her name, but I do know she has an older brother who "just happens" to be a Captain in the U.S. Army. Now just think if the United States government turns into a military dictatorship...while Cappy is torturing civilians who dare cherish freedom and liberty, his sister will be the one "persuading" people into taking the chip.

That may sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theory, but so did the Real ID Act (national ID cards), the North American Union (Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America), and health fascism (Big Pharma, Big Food, FDA, FTX, Codex Alimentarius, and Healthy People 2010). Right now, nothing, and I mean nothing, would surprise me.


36 posted on 08/24/2006 1:54:59 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah. Those people have got nothing but evil planned for all. It doesn't bother me much, for I know where I'll be residing in eternity. And it won't be the same place as those folks. Their eternal housing is gonna be a might toasty...


37 posted on 08/24/2006 2:11:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

It's like what Alex Jones says on his radio show...the FDA has basically said that aspartame and mercury are "nutritious".

Did you catch a story about a month or two ago about kids snorting Crystal Light to get "an aspartame high"? No wonder the "War on Drugs" is a failure...the government imports all the illegal drugs and gets people to buy their drugs so they can arrest them and put them under lifetime probation/surveillance, and they use the FDA to get people hooked on "legal" substances.


38 posted on 09/01/2006 10:03:39 AM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah, The government has it all worked out. When they don't have an income any longer for thus and such, they can always fall back on some other drug the public unwittingly consumes. The FDA is full of spiders that have spun their web so tightly. Well, I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes on Judgement Day.

Vaguely remember something about The Crystal Light stuff. It sounded so incredible to me, that I just wanted to forget it.

Regarding The War on Drugs, I think that is a farce too. Authorities don't really give a rip because they are so heavily involved in the money it brings in. Its just another avenue to, rid society of people, without doing much other than saying, we tried to stop drugs but just couldn't. All the trashy things in society could have been stopped long ago if anybody really wanted to put an end to bad things. The movers and shakers simply don't want to. Bad things bring in too much money. And their day, too shall come...


39 posted on 09/01/2006 12:24:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
Plus, the "War on Drugs" is one of the main reasons why Washington will NEVER secure the borders. With the illegal immigration and drug shipment problems, we're already living in a de facto North American Union. When the Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America is fully implemented, it will no longer be de facto, but the actual thing.
40 posted on 09/02/2006 10:47:59 AM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah. I don't know all the details, but things are in the works for a hell of a lot more problems than most people could ever imagine. They've totally fallen for it all-hook, line, and sinker. And mostly because of the thinking that what Lincoln did to our country was right. During his administration, 40,000 or more people were imprisioned or never heard from again. And that exact same thing will happen(with numbers proportionate to the population) because organizations like the FDA and FTC have already enslaved many to drugs in foods, ads, etc... More blatant enslavement will come through the influx of illegals and the fact that they are so uncivil, and unwilling to become civil. They are totally ripping society apart. And it is all so very unconstitutional but so was our country's Civil War...


41 posted on 09/02/2006 4:58:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
Well, the "Ministry Of Truth" (the history revisionists over the past 140 years) want us to believe that the Civil War was fought to end slavery, when the REAL reason for the Civil War was to end states' rights. I don't condone slavery, but the constant violations of states' rights is a direct violation of the 10th Amendment. I guess the Ministry Of Truth wants us to believe that the 10th Amendment doesn't exist...just like what the real Ministry Of Love did in 1984.
42 posted on 09/02/2006 7:35:20 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Yeah, Slavery had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Lincoln even said he could care less whether it ended or stayed. The "Slavery Issue" was instituted during reconstruction when probably even more damage was done to the South. It was strictly to put the black population in the "carpetbagger/woe is me" mentality. The North put the unqualified in charge, and disenfranchised those who knew what was going on.

And, that's exactly right. It was to put an end to state's rights which would end the rights of the state's people to address their grievances, and make the federal government "The Boss". Well, a mighty fine job was done. And everyone knows the federal government is, "The Boss" today...


43 posted on 09/03/2006 6:49:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Did you know that "conservative" Dwight D. Eisenhower called Fidel Castro "the Abraham Lincoln of the Caribbean"?


44 posted on 09/04/2006 9:35:01 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

No. But that is a very appropriate name for slave meister, Castro...

It also proves that many in our government know of Lincoln's shenanigans and choose to do nothing about it other than watch the wind blow. They knew all along that the Historical books were laden with muck about WTBS and neglected to adequately inform a soul about the real Lincoln and his tyrrannical behavior. It also says a great deal regarding the differences between Republicans and Democrats-which are minimal, at best...


45 posted on 09/05/2006 12:24:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
I actually misquoted the source...it was actually "the Abraham Lincoln of Latin America". I heard the exact quote on Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State. That documentary makes me have an even stronger dislike of communists...I try not to hate because Jesus said "if you hate someone, you have already committed murder in your heart" and therefore violate "Thou shalt not kill".
46 posted on 09/11/2006 3:06:39 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

I totally agree regarding, "Thou shalt not hate." I simply spend a minute or two, detesting the enemy. All the disgust comes to the surface then I simply turn it over to God, for he knows all men's hearts and I do not, nor do I care to know what most are thinking. I would probably lose my breakfast if I knew.

Regarding the misquote; It probably doesn't matter because it is still quite obvious that many are aware of Lincoln's maniacial rants, and they do nothing about it. I am quite certain many of the problems in today's society are a result of the continuation of Lincoln's invasion of the South. Because people know it was immoral, and that gives rise to hate group after hate group. And still our government is so fond of the centralized power, they don't give a rip about the problems created by it...


47 posted on 09/11/2006 6:06:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Well, anyway, you will never hear mainstream media talking about Codex Alimentarius and Healthy People 2010 because mainstream media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the NWO. The only people I've heard talking about Codex are Pastor Butch Paugh and Alex Jones, both on their respective radio shows on GCN.

I have a blog on MySpace which exposes the false paradigm between PETA and the Center For Consumer Freedom. (News flash, people. The Center For Consumer Freedom only cares about Big Food companies increasing their profits, not the well-being of Joe Average.)

Just about everybody in PETA has ties to communism. Communism was created by the globalist bankers (the chieftains of the NWO) to con the serfs back into serfdom.

Remember the "hate crime laws" they tried to pass in Congress? Those laws would have made it a federal felony to merely hurt the feelings of "protected groups". If those laws had passed, you know that other "alternative" groups (such as wiccans, satanists, animal rights activists, and hardcore vegan activists) would have sought "protected group" status, meaning that eventually it would have been a federal felony to refer to PETA as the "Vegan Taliban".

The ACLU? They were founded by communists. When the group was founded, the founder actually stated the goal for the ACLU : "Communism is the goal". They're not for civil liberties. They are for "equeal treatment for all". Unfortunately, "equal treatment for all" can be construed to mean "equal ENSLAVEMENT for all". If one day a federal law were to be passed which would require mandatory microchip implants for sex offenders or "guest workers", the ACLU would demand either do away with chip implants altogether or chip ALL citizens. Since it would probably cost more to remove the chips than to chip everybody, guess which option the government would choose. I'm sure PETA wouldn't hesitate to cooperate with the ACLU over the issue of the NAIS (National Animal Identification System), which will require ALL animals (livestock and pets) to have microchip implants. Like I said, "equal treatment for all" can also mean "equal enslavement for all".

To be for freedom, you have to be for freedom 100%. Anything less, and you're for tyranny.


48 posted on 09/12/2006 12:18:37 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Believe me, I know all those organizations are evil. All of it seems to be coming like a tidal wave. That is what leads me to believe we are in the ends times and God sees all the evil these people are doing. There are a huge number of folks who care not for their own souls, which only reinforces that hell will be a heavily populated place. Many are choosing their ultimate destiny by worshipping an idol...


49 posted on 09/12/2006 12:44:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: cathyval

My father was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer and given 6 months to live. He took Vitamin C (20 grams/day) along with certain other nutrients and He survived nearly 4 years in good health. EVERY single doctor and oncologist was against our trying this despite the reams of scientfic papers supporting it. I concluded that the Peter Principle is highly active in the medical profession.

It was life changing experience-I now work in the field of nutrition and chronic disease. The top 2 factors in health are no great mystery:
1) Real Nutrition=real health (you MUST be able to cook to avoid stuffing yourself with anti-nutrients of fast food)
2) Caloric reduction (reduce the 3,800 calories of the Standard American Diet (SAD) to at most 2,000 calories. The body can do this without cravings as long as the food you do eat is real.

Implementing these two simple things in our lives, (rather than universal Hillarycare) is the easiest and most effective measure to ensure the health of our families.


50 posted on 09/11/2007 12:53:42 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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