Posted on 07/17/2006 2:08:51 PM PDT by Howlin
Every member of Duke University's men's lacrosse team is a potential witness in the case against three players charged with rape, Durham's lead prosecutor said Monday while arguing for access to their student ID card records. "We want to be able to confirm what they tell us about where they went afterward," District Attorney Mike Nifong said of the uncharged players.
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Titus also formally reaffirmed the state's rules governing trial publicity and disclosure of information to the public and the media. The order does not prevent attorneys in the case from talking publicly, but does prohibit statements that have a "substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing" the case. "The rules of professional responsibility require us to be very careful of what we say," said Wade Smith, one of Finnerty's attorneys. "We'll do that. We've been doing that. And we'll continue to do that."
(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...
If i was the parent of one of those kids or was one of the kids that just graduated from Duke such that there was no reason to return to Durham, I would stiff Nifong on any subpoena he sends, address or no address.
Quotes similar to: "I don't care if they did it or not, those rich, white boys are going down!" Could have something to do with it.
Know how to save a drowning lawyer? Remove your foot from the top of his head!
It appears H-S editor Bob Ashley is allowing more spin from Bell and Baker. Why is he afraid to question the obvious?
What has the Duke Lacrosse investigation cost Durham in terms of dollars and resources?
No mention of the truce negotiation breakdown between rival gangs due to the DPD focus on the Duke LAX investigation?
Why would Baker consent to Chalmer's absence without leave?
Why don't Durham officials want to work with federal ICE agents?
With 10,200 outstanding warrants, how understated are Durhams crime statistics?
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/461673.html
Durham police chief search set
Published: Jul 18, 2006 12:30 AM
Modified: Jul 18, 2006 03:06 AM
EXCERPTS
But the changes have thus far failed to curb violent crime, with Durham leading North Carolina's 10 largest cities in per capita homicides in both 2004 and 2005. Murders are down through the first half of this year, though incidents of other violent crimes are still climbing.
Bell said Durham needs to do a better job of combating gangs and drugs, which should be the top priority of any new chief. However, Chalmers should not be blamed for the city's failure to blunt violence, Bell said.
"The issue of reducing crime is not up to the police alone," Bell said Monday. "It takes a communitywide effort."
(snip)
Chief's decision
Baker said Chalmers, who did not take sick leave or vacation time during the weeks he was largely out of the office, was kept apprised of the investigation by cell phone and e-mail. The manager said such high-ranking administrators have the discretion to determine when the city would be better served by taking leave and designating a subordinate to be in charge. Baker said the decision to stay in command during the family crisis was the chief's, though he approved of Chalmers' handling of the situation.
"It was done with my full knowledge and consent," Baker said.
(snip)
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http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-753492.html
Bell, Stith at odds over rate of crime
By BriAnne Dopart : The Herald-Sun
Jul 17, 2006 : 11:02 pm ET
EXCERPTS
To Bell, the figures showed that Durham gets a bad rap in the media and that good things are happening here. But (City Councilman Thomas) Stith questioned the comparisons and noted that violent crime was on the upswing.
(snip)
Durham also needs to take a cue from Raleigh, Stith said, and seek help from federal agencies.
"Raleigh has worked very closely with ICE," he said, referring to the Department of Homeland Security's Immigrations and Customs Enforcement division, which launched a program combating violent street gangs last year.
"We're not doing that," Stith said.
Bell dismissed the idea of bringing ICE agents to Durham, saying the city is seeing good progress with Project Safe Neighborhoods, a federal program dedicated to reducing gun violence.
(snip)
Meanwhile, City Councilman Eugene Brown said he has more faith in Bell, but feels the Police Department needs to get its priorities -- or at least its warrants -- in order.
Brown said he's concerned about the number of warrants -- 10,200 at last count, police spokeswoman Kammie Michael said -- and the amount of attention devoted to them. The backlog was highlighted in a recent Herald-Sun story.
(snip)
Are too many people starting to become critical of the judges/prosecution in Durham?
I've lurked most years since I signed up on the CTV boards and I didn't follow the OJ or SP cases as closely as I'm following the Duke hoax. But no, as emotional as those cases were, I don't ever remember seeing so many locked threads.
The moderator is giving a very narrow interpretation of what is "off topic" -- and if she deems a subject is off topic, the thread is moved or locked. I got into it yesterday with her after I used the word "bastard" in a post. A couple of posters have been banned, but they're back with other names. I don't recall the board ever being this emotional about a case, but that's just my opinion. MOO! LOL!
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The UNC-Duke rivalry's hidden side
Leading families feuded for years
Author: CRAIG WHITLOCK; The News & Observer, March 5, 1994
It happened long ago, in the year 1794, but just as lustful folks are prone to do these days, Taylor Duke ignored the risks and seduced a local gal by the name of Chaney Mangum.
Duke, a weather-beaten Orange County farmer, figured nobody would learn about the indiscretion, least of all his wife. But when Mangum bore his bastard son nine months later, it blew his cover. It also ignited one of the most enduring blood feuds ever seen in these parts.
The Dukes, for whom the university is named, and the Mangums, some of the University of North Carolina's biggest benefactors, have been at loggerheads ever since, with the vendetta spreading to the worlds of business and politics.
And more recently, basketball.
Tonight, the feud resumes in all its glory when the UNC Tar Heels and the Duke Blue Devils take the court in Durham. The winner not only will claim basketball supremacy, but will momentarily gain the upper hand in a family feud that has boiled for 200 years.
Both clans are rooted in the rural villages of Red Mountain and Bahama, in what is now northern Durham County. On the surface, the backgrounds are similar. Both families grew tobacco. Both thrived in business and influenced politics.
But family members, particularly during the 19th century, shuddered at the thought that the Dukes or Mangums had anything in common. Over the years, they've battled over politics, competed for higher social standing and, on occasion, lusted after one another.
William Preston Mangum II, a family historian, says the two sides don't fuss as viciously as, say, the gunslinging Hatfields and McCoys. But they don't exactly get together for Sunday dinner either.
"I don't want to say hatred, but underlying these two families is a desire to get the better of each other," he said in a recent interview at, appropriately, the Washington Duke Inn in Durham. "There definitely are ill feelings."
Especially noteworthy is how the families took their rivalry to the rarefied arena of higher education.
The Dukes nurtured fledgling Trinity College in Durham, pumping so much tobacco money into the school that its trustees renamed it Duke University in 1929.
Less publicized is how the Mangums directed their generosity to the state university nine miles away in Chapel Hill.
The Mangums were crucial in helping the university survive its first century. Willie P. Mangum served on the board of trustees for 43 years. Adolphus Mangum, a professor, helped reopen the school after the Civil War. Charles Staples Mangum founded the UNC School of Public Health.
Countless other Mangums graduated from UNC. A dormitory and several academic awards are named after the family.
The campus connection is where the basketball game fits in.
Both teams have jockeyed all season for the country's top ranking. Between them, they've won the last three national championships and are two of the most successful programs of all time.
All told, it's one of the most deep-seated and unforgiving rivalries in the nation.
Taylor Duke couldn't have known at the time that his amorous urges would cause such a long-lasting fuss. All he knew was that a comely maiden, Chaney Mangum, had caught his eye.
As can happen when such desires manifest themselves, Chaney Mangum bore a son. At first, the father's identity was kept quiet and the adulterous Duke was spared any public shame. But the secret didn't last long.
The couple had difficulty containing their affection. One thing led to another, and the still-unmarried Chaney Mangum had another child.
This time, the Mangums identified Duke as the suspected father in both cases. Angered by his cavalier attitude, they took him to court and forced him to pay $5 a year in child support. The judgment was no small debt for the prolific Duke, who had 10 other children.
In the 1800s, the feud extended beyond the bedroom and into the political realm. For a time, the Mangums reigned supreme, although the Dukes did their best to discredit their neighbors.
Willie P. Mangum was the most famous of the bunch. An 1815 UNC graduate, he served 23 years in Congress.
He was also a founder of the Whig party and ran for president in 1836. He carried South Carolina in the election, but not his home state -- thanks to opposition from people like the Dukes.
The Dukes were fervent Democratic Republicans and were vocal about it, something that caused Willie Mangum no small amount of consternation.
In the 1830s, a supporter wrote Mangum in Washington to report on the political troublemakers back home. The writer singled out the Dukes, calling them, with uncanny foresight, part of "a Devilish clan."
The Mangums weren't above making fun of the Dukes, either. One 19th century Mangum noted in his will that he owned a horse named Duke.
After the Civil War, the families' fortunes changed. The Mangums, part of the Old South's aristocracy, lost virtually everything. The Dukes, on the other hand, made the most of Reconstruction, thanks to tobacco.
Washington Duke, a legitimate son of Taylor Duke, raised bright leaf tobacco and entered the manufacturing side of the business. Soon he and his three sons had created a fabulously profitable enterprise.
Suddenly flush with money, the Dukes didn't hesitate to throw their weight around.
In 1881, for example, residents of eastern Orange County wanted to split off and form a new county. The leading proposal was to name it after Willie P. Mangum, the former lawmaker.
But Washington Duke nixed the idea. He vowed to yank the Dukes' considerable assets from the area if he had to live in Mangum County. The threat worked: The jurisdiction became known as Durham County.
The mostly forgotten conflict is detailed in Willie Mangum's papers, stored at the Southern Historical Collection in Chapel Hill.
"A lot of people have never heard that before," says William Preston Mangum, the family historian. "But it's a true story."
After two centuries, the feud has cooled somewhat, no longer colored by nasty court battles or political fights.
But the two families remain ever loyal to their respective schools. The Duke kids still go to their university. And virtually all the Mangums go to UNC.
The bumper sticker on William P. Mangum's Oldsmobile reveals as much: "Tar Heel by birth, Carolinian by the grace of God."
Copyright 1994 by The News & Observer Pub. Co.
Record Number: RNOB172307
Motive for extortion?
Duke/Mangum rivalry ping.
You may find xo's post #107 interesting.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1667402/posts?page=107#107
I can't thank you all enough for the links. It is hard to keep up; you all make it easy. This case gets me angrier by the minute.
Interesting history. Where did the black Mangums come from?
We need texkat's amazing geneology research.
Many freed slaves took the last names of their former owners.
lol, whats up over here. Is the truth being revealed yet?
Another one bites the dust,
Another one bites the dust...
MANGUM, RAHEEM, SHANTE
Date Confined Date Released Statute Description Bond Type Bond Amount
7/17/2006 [incarcerated] COMMUNICATING THREATS SECURED $1,000.00
7/17/2006 [incarcerated] ASSAULT ON A FEMALE SECURED $0.00
7/17/2006 [incarcerated] INTERFERE WITH EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT NO BOND $0.00
7/17/2006 [incarcerated] ASSAULT ON A FEMALE NO BOND $3,000.00
NC prison # 0662743
armed robbery, drug dealing back to 1998--
http://home.comcast.net/~lynn.parham/DNA3.htm (Duke-Mangum DNA project)
http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/htm/00483.html (Mangum papers)
Descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum
Posted by: Mary Mangum (ID *****1555) Date: January 15, 2005 at 17:46:19
of 846
My family recently found out that our line of Mangum's may have descended from the Duke's. I'm trying to find the descendents of Ellison Goodloe Mangum, in hopes that they might can share some info with me and my cousin.
Thank You,
Kathy
Re: Descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum
Posted by: Ted Shaw (ID *****2733) Date: April 09, 2005 at 19:49:48
In Reply to: Descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum by Mary Mangum of 846
I am a direct descendant of Ellison Mangum, and according to our records he was the "natural" son of Washington Duke, who was also the father of James Buchanan Duke. This information can also be found in the book "Durham County NC". My grandfather (his mother was the granddaughter of E G Mangum) was born in 1884 and told stories of spending time with the Duke family when he was a child, though I can't tell you why there was no marriage between Nancy (not sure if this name is correct) Mangum and Wash Duke.
Re: Descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum
Posted by: Lynn Parham (ID *****2009) Date: April 21, 2005 at 20:05:53
In Reply to: Re: Descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum by Ted Shaw of 846
With our DNA study we have one participant who supposedly descends from Ellison Goodloe Mangum. Unfortunately, his DNA shows that he is not related to any of our Mangums, nor to any of the Dukes who have had their DNA tested. This was a most unexpected result. We would love to have another descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum to test, to confirm these results. It is difficult to make any firm decisions with only one set of test results. The person tested must be male, and must be a direct male line descendent of Ellison Goodloe Mangum, meaning that he would have the surname Mangum.
453. Chaney MANGUM (Arthur M. MANGUM , William MANGUM , Frances Silvester BENNETT , Richard BENNETT , Richard BENNETT , Thomas BENNETT , John BENNETT , Agnes Anne MOLINES , Ann COLEPEPPER , Alexander , John , Walter , Thomas , John , Thomas , Thomas , John , Thomas ) was born about 1772 in Orange County, Greenville, North Carolina. She died after 1834.
It is commonly written that Chaney Mangum married her "Mangum cousin" since
she is always identified as a Mangum. Recent conversations with Bill Mangum of
Winston-Salem, NC, indicates that she had two illegitimate children, both sons,
by Taylor Duke. (William Mangum owned land adjacent to Chaney's father,
Arthur, as noted in the petition filed by his wife and children after Arthur's
death when Nathaniel Carrington had refused to distribute Arthur's estate to
his children. (Location of Arthur's land was identified as lying adjacent to
some owned by William Duke.) William Duke was perhaps the father of this
Taylor Duke. Bill noted that when the second son was born, Taylor Duke was
taken to court to pay child support for the children.
Bill noted that this is an extremely sensitive issue with the Univ of North
Carolina Mangums, all who descend from Chaney. This explains their refusal to
answer my letters or telephone calls concerning their Mangum line. Bill noted
that only recently had these Mangums been invited to the Mangum reunion held by
the "other" Mangums in Durham County. He noted that the Mangums are very
reluctant to give out any information on their Mangum line for these reasons.
See notes under Taylor Duke.
Chaney married Taylor DUKE. Taylor was born in Orange County, North Carolina.
Taylor Duke, son of William Duke, lived adjacent to the Mangum tobacco
farm. He was sued by Arthur Mangum, Chaney Mangum's father, for child
support, and was required to pay a small amount of child support each
year. Bill Mangum (William Preston Mangum, III) of Raleigh, NC, noted
that this is documented in court papers at Raleigh. He was to send me
a copy of the legal document when he has an opportunity to get it from
Raleigh.
Taylor and Chaney had the following children:
+ 770 M i Ellison Goodloe MANGUM Colonel was born about 1797 and died in 1902.
+ 771 M ii Dr. Adolphus Williamson MANGUM was born on Apr 1 1834 and died on May 12 1890.
+ 772 M iii Hinton MANGUM was born about 1815/1820 and died about 1874.
770. Ellison Goodloe MANGUM Colonel (Chaney MANGUM , Arthur M. MANGUM , William MANGUM , Frances Silvester BENNETT , Richard BENNETT , Richard BENNETT , Thomas BENNETT , John BENNETT , Agnes Anne MOLINES , Ann COLEPEPPER , Alexander , John , Walter , Thomas , John , Thomas , Thomas , John , Thomas ) was born about 1797 in Orange County, North Carolina. He died in 1902.
Source: MFB, Issue 14, p 11 notes that he was a first cousin to Sen. Willie P.
Mangum and was in Civil War, died at age 81.
Orange Co Census of 1860 shows an Ellison Mangum, age 62, farmer, m to
Elizabeth, age 59 with Lucy, age 28, and Elizabeth Laws age 10 and Ada Laws age
8
"A Short History of the Mangums of NC" notes that he owned a large plantation
in Orange Co at Flat River and manuy slaves and m Elizabeth Harris, dau of Dr.
Nathaniel Harris and Debora Hopkins and had 8 children.
Many were actual offsprings from the slave owner as well.
http://www.buffalo.edu/uncrownedqueens/files_2002/mangum_elmira.htm
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