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A difficult lesson (Must read)
Treppenwitz | 7/16/06

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:05 AM PDT by Valin

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.

Nobody moved. Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly.

Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.

I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today.

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:

Instigate a war. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once.

In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.

As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.


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KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; lessons; neveragain
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1 posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:05 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/07/thanks_i_needed.html


2 posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:24 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin
He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

Are you sure it was "blind"?

3 posted on 07/22/2006 4:24:49 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Valin

Nails it.


4 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: Valin

This is the second round tonite for this article, so what is your point?


5 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:46 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

Is. must achieve unconditional surrender.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 4:27:30 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Valin

Yes, sometimes what is necessary isn't very pretty.


7 posted on 07/22/2006 4:29:36 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Valin

Good story andanalogy, thanks.
Go Israel, kick the holy snot out of Hezbulla.


8 posted on 07/22/2006 4:30:38 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Valin
Problem with this fight is that both participants think they are the little guy set upon by the bully, neither can actully deliver a knockout blow, and it's largely the bystanders who are getting their teeth punched out.
9 posted on 07/22/2006 4:31:43 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: ansel12

I posted this just to piss you off.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 4:32:55 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: listenhillary

Yep, done nailed it good.


11 posted on 07/22/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: Valin
Fact remains, only 20% of Lebanon is Hezbollah...
The remaining 80% however, is supporting this terrorist organization masquerading as a political party..

Fact remains that even Lebanese Christians have no objection to the willful murder of Israeli Jews..

Lebanon must completely eliminate Hezbollah from it's political structure..
It must completely eliminate Hezbollah's ability to procure and use "agents of deadly force" against Israel, or any other entity..

If Lebanon wishes to be recognized as a responsible nation it must start acting like one, and take responsibility for what has been done and is being done from within it's borders..
Otherwise, Lebanon should pay the price..

12 posted on 07/22/2006 4:37:20 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Valin

Darn't , now your making me reread the whole thing.


13 posted on 07/22/2006 4:38:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

This is good! Thanks for posting it.


14 posted on 07/22/2006 4:39:10 AM PDT by syriacus (Perhaps, nowdays, BIG BROTHER IS THE MSM, instead of the government.)
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To: ansel12

HOORAY for me! :-)


15 posted on 07/22/2006 4:41:02 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin

Excellent! Thanks for posting:)


16 posted on 07/22/2006 4:42:49 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Valin
Very good read, Valin, thanks. I have been thinking along similar lines myself. Whatever one thinks about the Israeli response, one has to admit and come to terms with a population that has in their charter (PLO) and/or screams from the rooftop every other week (Iran-which supports Hezbollah and Lebanon by default), that another country needs to be and is going to be exterminated. It is the civilized world's responsibility to firmly and in some cases violently "teach" these countries that extermination of another people/country/race in NOT acceptable and will NOT be tolerated.

Mark Steyn on Hugh Hewitt was pretty good Thursday. In case you missed it here are the URLs.

http://www.radioblogger.com/

Mark Steyn on Iran and Syria, the Dr. Evil and Mini Me of the Middle East.

http://www.radioblogger.com/images/07-20steyn.mp3
17 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:09 AM PDT by Chgogal (GDBs - NY Times does it again - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666501/posts)
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To: Valin

Excellent post. I hope Israel continues to kick the living shit out of Hezbollah.

The Lebanese need to learn that there is a price to pay in supporting the terrorist whackjobs. Having lots of your "civilians" killed when the whackjobs get their asses handed to them is part of the price.


18 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:18 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Valin

This is timely and accurate. Israel must completely destroy Hesbollah as surgically accurately as is reasonabl;y practical and the United States MUST NOT restrain them.

Shorten Condeleeza Rice's leash or give her something else to occupy her attention - maybe soothing Jacque Chirac over what's going on at The tour de France.


19 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:58 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: Valin

Boo-ti-full. Best thing I've read on the Israeli-Arab conflict in weeks.


20 posted on 07/22/2006 4:47:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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