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Landis gives positive drugs test
BBC News ^ | 07/27/2006

Posted on 07/27/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by Republicain

Tour de France winner Floyd Landis has given a positive drugs test, according to his Phonak team. The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone.

The positive test came after stage 17 of the Tour, which saw Landis record an epic victory after collapsing on the final climb the day before.

Landis has been suspended pending results of his B sample analysis.

The International Cycling Union (UCI) announced on Wednesday that a rider had failed a doping test but would not reveal his name.

"The Phonak Cycling Team was notified on Wednesday by the UCI of an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in the test made on Floyd Landis after stage 17 of the Tour de France," said a team statement.

"The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result."


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: doping; landis; tourdefrance
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To: notfornothing

maniacally rather


61 posted on 07/27/2006 9:41:24 AM PDT by notfornothing
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To: SupplySider
The surge you get is not enough to skew the epi/test ratio as much as is nececcary to get an out of bounds reading. But who knows, perhaps that, plus the cortisone shot, might explain it? I don't think it looks good though.

Having said that, its not like Testosterone would give you a one-shot boost. So he didn't win stage 17 due to Testosterone, any more than he didn't win most of the previous stages, due to Test. You could expect a one-shot boost from an amphetimine (banned), or ephedra(banned), alot of caffeine (which they are allowed to drink), and who knows, maybe EPO or blood doping. The effects of Test take a week or two (at least) to notice. That said, he COULD have been using Test for a while, but I thought they already tested for that before the race..?

62 posted on 07/27/2006 9:42:18 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: commish

Are the baselines for testosterone an 'average', or are they based on previous testing from each individual rider?


63 posted on 07/27/2006 9:42:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: RichardW

I predict that the B test will be negative and that Landis will be vindicated.


64 posted on 07/27/2006 9:43:33 AM PDT by karnage
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To: pepsionice
>My guess is that a lot of bikers will pass on the 2007 Tour De France...and you will see a rookie crowd of nobodies


65 posted on 07/27/2006 9:44:53 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Paradox
Thanks for the info Paradox. It doesn't look good.

I just explained to my nephews about Ulrich and the other dopers, but also promoted the heroism of the supposedly clean riders. They were looking up to Landis. Don't these guys care about that, multiplied by millions of kids? If this is true Landis to me is no better than Britney Spears. In fact, I like Britney better. She's scoring megadollars at the expense of the youth, but at least she's not a liar.

66 posted on 07/27/2006 9:58:48 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: karnage

I hope you're right!


67 posted on 07/27/2006 9:59:17 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

I dont think it looks good, but according to another post, this particular test, when challenged, has been "wrong" everytime in the past, so who knows.


68 posted on 07/27/2006 10:03:58 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Jake The Goose

Rush was quoting an article in the NYT this morning which said that bike riders caused more polution in their lives because they live longer. LOL but seriously, unless you've riden 100 miles in one day (I've only done 80), you can't say bike racing isn't a challenging sport. Of course, they do wear funny clothes... but so do wrestlers (the real kinds wear sniglits. even the name is funny). My husband calls the TDF, chess on a bike.


69 posted on 07/27/2006 10:07:09 AM PDT by Mercat (bike sprinters are a lot like saxaphone players)
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To: Mercat
I once rode 40 miles, and finished that off by trying to follow a "real" cyclist, which I did for about 15 minutes.

I completely bonked, for the first and only time in my life. One of the strangest sensations. You can move, but not with any kind of force, just go through the motions. Weird...

70 posted on 07/27/2006 10:11:54 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Mercat

I ride 20 miles most days in good weather, which I guess is not bad at age 54. I can't imagine 100 miles at the speeds they maintain. I remember Lance once said the sport is all about who can endure the most pain.


71 posted on 07/27/2006 10:17:07 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Andy from Beaverton
He should at least be nailed for a bad hair cut. Pffftt!


72 posted on 07/27/2006 10:25:56 AM PDT by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit. There are people in Africa sober!)
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To: SupplySider

Britney was a liar. Didn't she used to run on about her virginity and her squeaky clean, "good Baptist girl" lifestyle? The wheels sure fell off that fairy tale.


73 posted on 07/27/2006 10:41:33 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Jake The Goose

"It's a bicycle race for goodness sake."

I have to agree. Pretty boring. Maybe a little less boring than soccer or "futball/football(European)".


74 posted on 07/27/2006 12:21:36 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: RSmithOpt

"Exactly. If I am not mistaken, after days of physical exertion, testosterone levels go up in a man."

I'm pretty sure that the organisation that tests racing cyclists will be aware of this...


75 posted on 07/27/2006 12:37:21 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Mercat

Ok Ok - I must confess to being TDF illiterate.

I hereby apologize to all hard core bike riders.

Passion is a beautiful thing - and I respect it - where ever it shows up.

Come back Lance!!


76 posted on 07/27/2006 12:43:19 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: garyhope
If you think bicycle racing is boring, you aren't paying attention. What makes bike racing unique and different is that it is an individual sport with a team component that is crucial to success. There are so many aspects to it - it would take too long to explain here.
Interesting enough (relative to this thread) , one thing I admire about cycling is the code of honor. You never attack a fellow cyclist at a "nature" break, if they puncture or run off the road. A few years ago in the TDF, Lance waited for Ullrich to get back up on the road after he ran off into a ditch so they could resume racing against each other.
Last week people were posting, "why don't they attack on the final day?" Because if they wanted to beat Landis, they had the day before (the Individual time trial) to do it- for that matter they had the previous 3 weeks! Riders that don't follow the code are penalized by other riders and put in their place. There is not a lot of honor in sports (especially pro) any more. I love that about cycling.
For the record, I am a woman and I love all sports. My absolute favorite is the NFL.
77 posted on 07/27/2006 12:57:25 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: luv2ski

NFL????

Come on qualifying for the Champions League has begun, then the Premier League starts in a few weeks.

Perfect antidote to the Tour hangover :-)


78 posted on 07/27/2006 1:06:46 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: luv2ski

Got to the end of the thread and I'm pinging so I can come back later.

I also agree with your last post.


79 posted on 07/27/2006 1:06:55 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Weapons are not toys to play with, they are tools to be used.)
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To: Canard; RSmithOpt

Testosterone levels usually goes down after more than one hour of hard physical exertion, to rebound slowly during the next 12-24 hours.

During the tour with many days in row with all out effort, testosterone levels go down quite dramatically over the three weeks, as the recovery time is not enough to get testorenone levels back to base levels.

That is why, a testosterone shot this late in the tour would be particularly beneficial.

Cheers.


80 posted on 07/27/2006 1:11:44 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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