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Landis gives positive drugs test
BBC News ^ | 07/27/2006

Posted on 07/27/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by Republicain

Tour de France winner Floyd Landis has given a positive drugs test, according to his Phonak team. The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone.

The positive test came after stage 17 of the Tour, which saw Landis record an epic victory after collapsing on the final climb the day before.

Landis has been suspended pending results of his B sample analysis.

The International Cycling Union (UCI) announced on Wednesday that a rider had failed a doping test but would not reveal his name.

"The Phonak Cycling Team was notified on Wednesday by the UCI of an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in the test made on Floyd Landis after stage 17 of the Tour de France," said a team statement.

"The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result."


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: doping; landis; tourdefrance
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1 posted on 07/27/2006 7:35:11 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain

Oh no, this is not good. If true, France and its people are going to have a field day!!!!


2 posted on 07/27/2006 7:37:26 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Republicain

Excuse me, but don't all men (real men, manly men, YES!) have testosterone in their blood?

Now that I'm "older", maybe I could use a little more.


3 posted on 07/27/2006 7:38:53 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Republicain

Was this deemed an unusual level of testosterone in relation to the average French "man"?


4 posted on 07/27/2006 7:39:10 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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He's a man. Why shouldn't he test positive for testosterone?


5 posted on 07/27/2006 7:40:09 AM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Republicain

People should try to win legally--in sports, by not using drug enhancements. This goes for all sportsmen; until it is shown that Landis cheated, his name shouldn't be impinged upon.


6 posted on 07/27/2006 7:40:13 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Yes, maybe if Landis has too much testosterone, he could loan some of it to the men of France who seem to have none of it.


7 posted on 07/27/2006 7:40:47 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: avg_freeper

I think you're onto something. He probably just has more testosterone than the frenchies.


8 posted on 07/27/2006 7:41:06 AM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Which is why I don't trust this result one freaking bit. If he was going to cheat, why would Landis take a drug that is so readily and easily detectable? This sounds like sour French Grapes to me. Americans have been winning their race and they don't like it, not one damn bit. After watching the lengths they went to to smear Lance Armstrong, I don't trust any testing that these people do, not one bit. You can bet everything you have that if a frenchie or someone from any other country had won this thing there would not be so much as a peep about drug testing.


9 posted on 07/27/2006 7:41:24 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Rio
He's a man. Why shouldn't he test positive for testosterone?

It is the amount that matters. If you have many times normal levels it is a red flag.

10 posted on 07/27/2006 7:41:52 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: Republicain

"tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone."



....as opposed to the French male who has none....


11 posted on 07/27/2006 7:43:16 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Why? The race is international, not between the United States and France, and although the United States and France have tense relations, France is far from the most antiAmerican country in Western Europe (that title could go to the Spanish and the Greeks, though Greece could only have been made a part of Western Europe so that Western Europe could grab some hold on having an advanced ancient history. in that case, the Spanish are probably the most antiAmerican Western Europeans).


12 posted on 07/27/2006 7:43:26 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: garyhope

The article points out that there could have been abnormal amounts of the hormone.


13 posted on 07/27/2006 7:44:36 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Republicain

Is this really news anyone cares about?

It's a bicycle race for goodness sake.

Who cares.......


14 posted on 07/27/2006 7:44:37 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: FlipWilson

The UCI is not a french organization...


15 posted on 07/27/2006 7:45:10 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Mainly because us and France have a long history of teasing each other, that is all really. All in fun.

Plus, I agree with what others have said, we shouldn't rush to judgement until we know more about the test.

16 posted on 07/27/2006 7:45:28 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: FlipWilson

I'm with you. The very fact that they hounded Lance Armstrong unmercifully and without cause paints the Frenchies in charge as too prejudiced to tell the truth and too anxious to dis Americans.


17 posted on 07/27/2006 7:46:07 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: Republicain
Ahh.

British humor.




Read the whole article. Remembering that Landis was going for hip replacement surgery right after the Tour de France. The comments about the lack of testosterone in the french are spot on.
18 posted on 07/27/2006 7:46:09 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: FlipWilson
Exactly. If I am not mistaken, after days of physical exertion, testosterone levels go up in a man. This is nature's way of helping the body to repair itself ASAP. Go figure. The French must be reeling as another American has beaten them.
19 posted on 07/27/2006 7:46:13 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Jake The Goose

This is worldwide breaking news


20 posted on 07/27/2006 7:46:25 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Republicain
JUst so people understand what is going on here.

When tested the riders are required to give TWO samples. Landis 'A' sample tested positive for high levels of Testosterone.

Landis now can do 1 of two things :
1. Admit to doping
2. Ask that the 'B' Sample be tested in his presence.

If the 'B' sample comes back normal -- everything is over. If the 'B' sample comes back positive, the rider can then request a full physical examination to prove that the level is "natural", etc etc.

21 posted on 07/27/2006 7:46:51 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: mystery-ak

Exactly. What's the baseline for "normal"?


22 posted on 07/27/2006 7:48:36 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

You really don't have to ask that question, after the years of harassment Armstrong tolerated, right?


23 posted on 07/27/2006 7:49:26 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

As an American citizen I could care less about two-bit European "powers".


24 posted on 07/27/2006 7:49:44 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Rio
>He's a man. Why shouldn't he test positive for testosterone?

Testosterone possesses both anabolic and androgenic properties [1]. The synthetic derivates of testosterone are modifications of the hormone designed to enhance the anabolic action while reducing the androgenic effects. However, a derivate performing only the anabolic effects has not yet been synthesized – all anabolic steroids also possess some androgenic activity. Thus the term ‘side effects’ for the unwanted androgenic action is misleading – the effect on primary and secondary sexual characteristics is clearly one of the dominant effects of testosterone, and is performed by all known derivates. Testosterone acts on the development of external genitalia, induces sex-related peripubertal changes, and affects the distribution of hairs and muscles. Later in life, the inherent androgenic effects of anabolic steroids lead to virilization in females, and to acne and suppression of testicular function in males. Athletes try to benefit from the anabolic effects – an increase in protein synthesis, muscle growth, and erythropoiesis. Although large, validated scientific studies on the performance-enhancing effects of anabolic steroids are scarce, athletes do not doubt their efficacy. Furthermore, the doses used by cheating athletes are much higher than those used in the few published studies. For example, the daily dose of testosterone used by an athlete from the former German Democratic Republic was about 400 times (2,720 mg) the dose normally produced in healthy men (7 mg). For obvious ethical reasons, controlled studies in healthy subjects cannot test such high amounts of anabolic steroids.

The list of dangerous long-term effects caused by steroid hormone abuse is long: hypertension, changes in the lipid profile, atherosclerosis, and an increase in tendon damage are the most frequently observed. The main endocrine effect is the development of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, characterized by low levels of gonadotrophins, suppression of testosterone production, and azoospermia in men. As prostate development and many prostate diseases are androgen dependent, the finding of prostate cancer after long-term abuse is not surprising. Chronic application of high doses of anabolic steroids in healthy young men has been shown to increase central prostate volume. In addition, through the physiological conversion of androgens to estradiol, gynecomastia (development of breasts) in males is not uncommon. Originally, injectable forms of anabolic steroids were used. Today, anabolic steroids can be administered orally, offering several advantages to the cheating athlete, especially the shorter clearance time from the body. However, the orally active 17-alpha-methyl derivates of testosterone seem to be even more dangerous because they are first metabolized in the liver, increasing the risk of liver diseases such as hepatitis and hepatic carcinoma. Despite their awareness of most of these serious consequences of anabolic steroid abuse, athletes persist in taking these substances. Using performance-enhancing drugs to be competitive in sports seems to be accepted as an inevitable necessity, and the consequences, which might not appear for several years, are ignored.

25 posted on 07/27/2006 7:49:48 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Republicain

John Eustice, an ESPN cycling analyst, is on ESPN right now saying that cortisone injections can raise testosterone levels.

FWIW.


26 posted on 07/27/2006 7:49:51 AM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: RSmithOpt
The French must be reeling as another American has beaten them.

I repeat : "UCI is not a french organization"

27 posted on 07/27/2006 7:50:10 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain

Meanwhile, all participants attired in magenta tested positive for high levels of the female hormone estrogen.


28 posted on 07/27/2006 7:51:13 AM PDT by auboy
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To: Republicain

The "B" sample still has to be analyzed, also per ESPN.


29 posted on 07/27/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: Republicain

Please indulge my ignorance here, but aren't men supposed to have testosterone in their blood streams (other than French men of course)?


30 posted on 07/27/2006 7:54:09 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: MissEdie

What he actually failed is the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. That test is used to determine if a person has SUPPLEMENTED with exogenous testosterone, meaning, that he doped himself up with tesosterone.


31 posted on 07/27/2006 7:55:50 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: scott7278
John Eustice, an ESPN cycling analyst, is on ESPN right now saying that cortisone injections can raise testosterone levels.

This is correct. I believe that the French gave permission to Landis for Cortisone injections - they would have known about the side effects.
32 posted on 07/27/2006 7:56:02 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: MissEdie
I don't know what testosterone is, I'm a frenchman.
33 posted on 07/27/2006 7:56:16 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Jake The Goose
Is this really news anyone cares about?

It's a bicycle race for goodness sake.

Who cares.......

The idiot that holds up all traffic every morning and afternoon because he thinks he's friggin' Lance Armstrong and he's saving the planet by not driving his Subaru Outback the 7 miles that he has to travel to work, that's who.

34 posted on 07/27/2006 7:56:32 AM PDT by Hatteras
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Wasn't stage 17 the one he had that amazing comeback?? Couldn't that have given him a boost in testosterone??


35 posted on 07/27/2006 7:56:50 AM PDT by KavMan
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To: July 4th
Tour Officials gave Landis a waiver to race with Cortisone injections. The UCI is completely seperate from the Tour -- SO, it is conceivable that Landis will be charged with a positive test, but not be penalized by the TDF because they had already approved the injections.

Still, the bottom line is Landis will be smeared and Europeans can the "Cheapen" his victory.

36 posted on 07/27/2006 7:59:21 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish

These riders are tested all year long.

I think "baseline" is already established for all.


37 posted on 07/27/2006 8:07:50 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Republicain
I don't know what testosterone is, I'm a frenchman. LOL. You crack me up (even though my heart is breaking here if this epitestosterone ration thing holds up in the B sample).
38 posted on 07/27/2006 8:10:00 AM PDT by leilani
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To: Republicain

He's either just plain stupid or just plain crazy...


39 posted on 07/27/2006 8:11:21 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: leilani

Is it an automatic suspension if the B test holds up?


40 posted on 07/27/2006 8:12:14 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gogeo
What's the baseline for "normal"?

That is where Landis is going to run into big problems. In France the baseline is something like this....


41 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:37 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: gopwinsin04
PHONAK has released a statement saying that both the team and Landis are "Totally shocked" at the outcome of the test. They have requested that the "B" sample be examined to determine if the result is possible because of a natural process (Cortisone/pain treatment) or if it was an erroneous result.

Phanak has suspended Landis, and said that if the "B" is positive and not explained that Landis will be fired from the team.

42 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:49 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: gopwinsin04

Think so, but I'm not an expert on UCI rules at all.He can ask for the second sample to be tested if it holds he has to prove that there's a natural reason for it (the cortisone shots he had permission from TdF officials to take for his hip?) or he's stripped of the win & kicked out I think. This is really bad.


43 posted on 07/27/2006 8:19:02 AM PDT by leilani
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To: commish

So if it was a Cortisone shot he will be cleared?


44 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:48 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Petronski; fortunecookie

here's more ping


45 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:57 AM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: gopwinsin04
Yes...if he can prove that the cortinsone injections or some other natural process is causing the advanced levels --OR if the second sample does not show the elevated levels -- he will be cleared.

This is the exact reason they give two samples. One immediately after the race, and a B sample a short time later -- to ensure that any elevated levels are not the result of natural processes during the race.

46 posted on 07/27/2006 8:23:52 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Republicain

good grief *lol*


47 posted on 07/27/2006 8:25:08 AM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: funkywbr
He's either just plain stupid or just plain crazy...

You might want to wait until the testing is corroborated before making a judgment like that...

Just as there are all sorts of maneuvers to get around positive results, sometimes the tests themselves can be erroneous. In addition, the physiological causes of higher testosterone levels can be multiple including use of legal drugs as suggested above.

48 posted on 07/27/2006 8:28:01 AM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: vox_freedom

Guy on ESPN just said theat everytime an athelete has challenged a testosterone finding, they've prevailed. SO there is hope....


49 posted on 07/27/2006 8:31:39 AM PDT by leilani
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To: USNBandit

I think this French bashing has run its course. This stuff is very serious. The Tour would have no choice but to strip Landis of the win and award it to the runner-up Peierro. That would be one of the great ironies of all since Landis allowed him to recover all of that time.

Landis evidently made a Faustian bargain and his reputation and career will never recover if the "B" test confirms the positive finding. Phonek has already said they will fire him.

The only thing that will ever fix this problem is a lifetime ban on the first offense.

Such a shame. It breaks my heart.


50 posted on 07/27/2006 8:48:32 AM PDT by RichardW
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