Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers

NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

[Perdogg]

DURHAM, N.C. — On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.

[JLS]

We have had many discussions of this. She left Duke hospital and later that very day her pimp drove her to UNC ER for treatment. I can only conclude she did not have her pimps money and got the beating she was due.

[writmeister]

Do you think my comment would get me booted off the CTV board?

[JLS]

Do you think my comment would get me booted off the CTV board?

I have said exactly that on the CTV board. I have said she got the beating she was due and then her pimp took her to UNC. I did not get banned. But then given the banning over there today, I would not be sure I could say it today and not get banned.

[HiTech RedNeck]

"Nifong" justice in the back.

[CondorFlight]

"I have even less respect for the judiciary. "

The very first judge--Stephens--could have ended this case by quashing the warrants (which he himself signed) because they were based on false information. But he chose to pass on by and let the trial go on, because he was afraid of the public reaction.

The next judge, Titus, could have done the same thing, or ended it because of the ludicrous photo ID; but he chose to pass, because he was afraid of the public reaction.

They must have a picture of Pontius Pilate washing his hands in the front of every lawbook and in the chambers of every judge, to remind them of proper judicial conduct when faced with an adverse public.

[ltc8k6]

How can the nurse say there was blunt force trauma, but it not be in the report?

[buffyt]

If I stripped ( and I would NOT ) for a big group of drunk college boys I would expect to be sexually assaulted. What was she thinking? Oh, yes, I know....
She was thinking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[JLS]

How can the nurse say there was blunt force trauma, but it not be in the report?

I can think of couple of ways this might have come about:

1. Gottlieb is lying figuring a SANE is on the side of the woman and will go along with what he claimed she said.

2. Gottlieb led her into saying this by asking leading questions.

But Gottlieb will be destroyed in court and an honest judge may not let him testify at all. He admits he based his report on notes of others. Then those others should testify not Gottlieb who has mixed his memory with the notes of other and by his own admission does not have an independent memory on which to base testimony.

[nopardons]

As well as the use of some sex toy, in her "act".

[nopardons]

Yes.

[Ken H]

Is Gottlieb basing this on what the SANE nurse-in-training told him?

[Ken H]

The following two posts were copied from the other thread. The first is from Mike Nifong, the second from maggief:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1684229/posts?page=888#888

HERE you GO!

Finnerty was NOT included in two Police lineups given prior to the well known 4/4 lineup.

IF GOTTLIEB NOTED ONE OF HER ATTACKERS WAS TALL and SKINNY, WHY WASN'T THE TALLEST SKINNY KID ON THE TEAM PUT IN EITHER OF THOSE LINEUPS ?

BUSTED !!!!

888 posted on 08/25/2006 4:00:11 AM EDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)

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Re: NYT article

Question: When was the SANE report subpeonaed?

On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.

But the sergeant's case notes also recount what the nurse told him in response to his questions: that the woman appeared to be in so much pain that it took "an extended period of time" to examine her, and that the "blunt force trauma" seen in the examination "was consistent with the sexual assault that was alleged by the victim."

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Inconsistencies:

"The victim was at home alone with her two young children," the sergeant wrote, noting she walked slowly and in obvious pain. "Her facial expressions conveyed her pain as she ambulated." She sat so neither hip touched the sofa. "Anytime her bottom touched the sofa cushion while repositioning during our interview, she groaned and had a facial expression consistent with pain."

During that interview, the woman, who is dark skinned, said bruises were beginning to show from the attack. A female officer took photographs and confirmed that "she had the onset of new bruises present," Sergeant Gottlieb wrote. (The female officer's report does not mention bruises.)

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In Officer Himan's handwritten notes, the woman described all three as chubby or heavy. Adam: "white male, short, red cheeks fluffy hair chubby face, brn." Matt: "Heavy set short haircut 260-270." Bret: "Chubby." The descriptions in Sergeant Gottlieb's notes are more detailed and correspond more closely to the men later arrested: Collin Finnerty, 20, a slender 6-foot-3 and 175 pounds with light hair; Mr. Evans, 23, 5-foot-10, 190 pounds and with dark hair; and Mr. Seligmann, 20, who is 6-foot-1 and 215 pounds with dark hair.

Sergeant Gottlieb wrote: "She described the three men as 1) W/M, young, blonde hair, baby faced, tall and lean, 2) W/M, medium height (5'8"+ with Himan's build), dark hair medium build, and had red (rose colored) cheeks, and the third suspect as being a W/M, 6+ feet, large build with dark hair." //

Interesting: Drug dealer and runaway She had filed the complaint when she was 18, telling the police in Creedmoor, N.C., that four years earlier, her then-boyfriend and two of his friends had raped her when she was a runaway and helping them sell drugs. She told the Durham police that a friend had encouraged her to report her secret so she could hold the men accountable and move on with her life.

889 posted on 08/25/2006 4:22:34 AM EDT by maggief

[abb]

Ping to the DukeLax List

[abb]

http://www.heraldsun.com/opinion/hsletters/
The Aug. 15th article describing the Committee to Recall Nifong-Vote Cheek made note that this is a "loosely organized group of voters." The article neglected to inform the public about the group's Web site: www.recallniong.com. If you check out the groups Web site, you will see that it is rolling right along.

C. HENDERSON
Durham
August 25, 2006

[SarahUSC]

I don't understand that either. Everything should be in the report and if she was in that much pain why didn't they give her any medication?

I don't really think the SANE nurse said alot of this. It just appears in Gottlieb's notes but not the report. I think Gottlieb tweaked his notes.

[Ken H]

I think the NYT has just thrust our friend Sgt. Gottlieb right into the spotlight.

[SarahUSC]

I think Gottlieb is going to have some explaining to do. The first thing that jumped out at me in the NYT article is what Mike has been saying on here. The descriptions! They are so far and away different from what Himan has. I don't think they can be reconciled. Someone is wrong and I think it's Gottlieb.

The proof is - according to Gottlieb's notes one of the perps is tall, lean, blond and baby-faced. Hmm. Who could that be? Maybe....Finnerty? And yet they never thought to put Finnerty in any of the two photo line-ups they did prior to the final one. Why? That makes no sense unless the accuser never gave that description in the first place. I think Gottlieb fabricated it but he went a little too far. He really laid it on and it would be comical if this weren't so serious.

[abb]

Another pile of bullshat from Barry Saunders.

The real scoop for Dukies
http://www.newsobserver.com/134/story/478839.html

[Anti-Bubba182]

"..Joseph B. Cheshire, a lawyer for David Evans, one of the defendants, called Sergeant Gottlieb’s report a “make-up document.” He said Sergeant Gottlieb had told defense lawyers that he took few handwritten notes, relying instead on his memory and other officers’ notes to write entries in his chronological report of the investigation.

Mr. Cheshire said the sergeant’s report was “transparently written to try to make up for holes in the prosecution’s case.” He added, “It smacks of almost desperation.”.."

It appears Gottlieb cooked up an embellished account for the benefit of the prosecution. I hope he gets hung out to dry.

[HEY4QDEMS]

aside from two brief early conversations with the police, she gave largely consistent accounts of being raped by three men in a bathroom.

Wow, so IOW, she' sticking to her third version of her story.
Well then she must be telling the truth./sarcasm