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Posted on 09/28/2006 5:44:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
No, I am not.
I'm just saying that I'm starting to understand why it happens.
Sorry about your partner, and wish him or her well.
We recently lost a deputy sheriff in this community to a thug stopped for a license plate light violation.
Maybe we should reconsider threatening people with fines and imprisonment for burnt-out lightbulbs and other such things.
Defense counsel: Could the dog testify?
Prosecutor: Dogs do not talk English, so no.
Defense: Hmm, but you said that the dog "felt strongly". How do you know?
Cops: We know the dog. We interpret for him.
Defense: Is there a standard translation for dog-speak to English?
Cops: We have 18 years of experience with dogs. They always say what we want them to say.
Defense: OK. How long does the average dog live? How many years are the peak between puppyhood, training, and retirement? How does a dog's reporting depend on when it was last fed?
Cops: These questions are irrelevant. My dog is always my friend and companion, he loves me, we love him....{ tears to flow}.
Defense: Let's go back to smells and pheronomes. Dogs smell a lot to see when other dogs are in heat. Are drug smells related to sex in dogs?
Cops: Our dogs are not gay. When a dog smells hashish, parchment paper, mint tootpaste, or odor of a cat, he will bark.
Defense: So you agree that traces of sex hormones or cats or other chemicals might affect the dog's speech?
Cops: Nonsense. Dogs always report what we want them to say. And it's neat, because you can't cross-examine them. So there.
Why isn't this theft?
It is.
IMO there is A LOT more to this than what is reported. Do you really believe the cops just 'accidentally' stopped this car and just happened to find the money? Have FReepers on this thread, who are so quick to villanize the cops and the police department, ever heard of a sting?
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"No drugs were found, and the two men weren't charged with a crime, but officers did keep the money,...."
I can't wait to see the FR support for such an abuse of individual liberty.
"but I sure hope you aren't saying this in ANY way justifies shooting a police officer."
Defending a life savings from being stolen under the force of government sponsered guns is not a legitimate use of defensive force?
No!
"Are people threatened with imprisonment for burned out light bulbs? I've never heard of that one before."
What happens if the fine is not paid?
Then what is worth defending?
Don't worry, the majority of FReepers, at least on this thread, choose to side against the police.
If you don't like the law, change it.
Just keep in mind, things aren't always what they seem, and you can't believe most of what you read or hear in the news.
This Country!
Yes, freedom and liberty are also worth defending, but shooting a police officer is not the way to accomplish that.
I'm troubled by what this law says as well, but I don't think the whole story is being presented here.
I'm sure things have changed a lot since since I was a cop, but I do know there are valid reasons some of these things are done, and it's not as random as it appears in this story.
I have to go for now...have a great day, and just remember, there are a lot of GOOD cops too!
"This Country!"
What is this country if the citizens do not have the right to protect their property? Yes, money is nothing more than earned property.
"Yes, freedom and liberty are also worth defending, but shooting a police officer is not the way to accomplish that."
In cases such as this, the police officers are nothing more than theives. That anyone would defend this type of activity is sickening and a clear sign that the tenents of our founders have been abolished. The WOsD has wrought great damage on freedom and individual liberty.
"but I do know there are valid reasons some of these things are done,"
Name one valid reason that money is confiscated without the victim being charged with a crime.
"there are a lot of GOOD cops too!"
I agree. Now, how is your average citizen supposed to be able to tell the difference as they are being approached by a police officer? How can they tell if it is a good cop or just a government endorsed theif.
The fact that this department is bragging about their take over the last 3 years leads me to believe that they have created a lot of victims.
Yes, they are.
Thanks to law enforcement being used as revenue enhancement, there are millions of people out there who have had adverse encounters with law enforcement personnel.
That amounts to "priors" on a traffic stop.
You would be surprised how many people on the margin have had their lives completely ruined by this.
Speaking for myself, I would defend a "Peace Officer" with my armament, my life, and my fortune.
I wouldn't walk across the street to urinate on a "law enforcement officer" if they were on fire.
There is no valid reason. It's theft legalized through anti-drug hysteria.
Would it justify shooting an armed robber masquerading as a cop?
I must admit, I'm surprised to read that from a Marine.
Thank you for your service.
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