Posted on 09/30/2006 10:14:40 PM PDT by RayChuang88
Roger Clemens, one of professional baseball's most durable and successful pitchers, is among six players allegedly linked to performance-enhancing drugs by a former teammate, The Times has learned. The names had been blacked out in an affidavit filed in federal court.
Others whose identities had been concealed include Clemens' fellow Houston Astros pitcher Andy Pettitte and former American League most valuable player Miguel Tejada of the Baltimore Orioles.
The discovery ends four months of speculation surrounding the possible identities of Major League Baseball figures whose names were redacted from the search warrant affidavit filed in Phoenix on May 31. The document was based on statements allegedly made to federal agents by pitcher Jason Grimsley, who has since retired.
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And this is only the tip of the iceberg, as the old saying goes. We could see this investigation end up encompassing all professional sports with pretty ugly publicity for everyone involved. Can you imagine what would happen if professional US sports leagues--under new laws passed by Congress--adopted the World Anti-Doping Agency standard of two years' ban for first offense and lifetime ban for second offense? 
It could literally wipe out many sports teams here in the USA, to say the least.
I'm shocked; just shocked! So-called pro-sports garbage into DRUGS?
*sigh* not the Rocket...
I believe Albert when he says they can test him every day and will find nothing.Don't forget ... every once in a while a natural athlete comes along who works extraordinarily hard at his game. I believe Albert is one of those.
Turn off the TV, dump the season tickets. You'll live.
"I believe Albert when he says they can test him every day and will find nothing."
That's not the statement we need to hear. The one we need to hear is "I don't use and have never used any performance-enhancing drugs, including HGH, or any masking agents to cover up the presence of such drugs in my system". And then maybe something like "And it's purely coincidental that the guy who hooked Jason Grimsley up with his HGH has been my personal trainer since I was 19 years old".
Great to see some of these guys getting caught. Stiffs like Jay Gibbons and Brian Roberts took jobs away from legitimate players who didn't cheat, guys battling their ass off in AAA while these phonies make big money. Clean it up, Selig.
"openly wondering if Ryan Howard.....been using undetectable performance-enhancing drugs this year. "
Only performance enhancing drugs he uses comes from Dunkin' Donuts.....
"Only performance enhancing drugs he uses comes from Dunkin Donuts..."
You might be right about that! Howard doesn't seem to have the classic juicehead body, he doesn't have a lot of 'definition', he's just a big person. But you never know, and with all these other cheaters soiling the water, Howard has question marks as well. And Bud Selig has known this was going on for oh, about 15 years.
Howard seems an unlikely candidate. Clemens is no surprise - a 45 year old guy who is as durable and strong as him makes you wonder...
I agree with everything you have said ... the clean guys need a fair shake ... and it all needs to be cleaned up. I would be the first in line demanding that Pujols be made an example of [above all others]. He has, by the way, flatly denied using any of those drugs/enhancements. I am not going to tar him with the brush of guilt until there is solid evidence for doing so. I am aware of incredible self-discipline and self-training and committment on Albert's part. These are the things that are turning him into a phenomenal athlete.I really love the game of baseball, and I despise what it has become. BUT ... let's not be too quick to condemn any baseball player without good reason for doing so.
"let's not be too quick to condemn any baseball player without good reason for doing so."
Agreed, and I feel the same way you do about the game. Most of the players would gladly have this stuff cleaned up completely. They don't like taking this stuff, but it's evolved into where they feel they need to juice up just to compete with all the others who are juicing.
And the NFL is a complete joke. The pass that league is given boggles the mind.
The fact that he's a hot-headed, quick-tempered asshole was also a serious clue.
"The fact that he's a hot-headed, quick-tempered asshole was also a serious clue."
Classic. It used to be standard that these guys would do a cycle right before the playoffs, so we were all laughing when Clemens threw that broken bat at Piazza in the World Series. Talk about 'roid rage'!! I was always amazed how pitchers were throwing mid-90's in the playoffs and World Series after pitching an entire season already.
You mean throwing shattered bat pieces at people isn't the behavior of a normal person?
Feel free to differ with my assessment ... but ... be ready to provide some evidence for your differing opinion ... don't just base it on preferring another team to the Cardinals.Read my post No.12 to another FReeper ... I will be first in line to demand that Pujols be made an example of ... IF, and only if, there is evidence that he is doping/juicing/enhancing ... Until then, I will be looking at the evidence that is abundantly clear and that is: he is a phenomenal athlete who is committed to improving his game, is self-disciplined, self-trained, etc. ... and who goes into the dugout during games and watches videos to see what he has done that could be improved upon ... instead of just sitting there scratching and spitting and high-fiving the other players.
Bring me evidence of misbehaviour and I will consider it ... otherwise, we will just have to differ.
Sad but true. However, don't forget that Nolan Ryan threw in the mid-90s when he was at that age, and I've never heard steroid allegations about him. Same for Randy Johnson (knock on wood).
Watch a MLB clip from the 1970s, and the size difference of the players then compared to now is startling. Dave Kingman was 6'6" and 210 lbs. and nicknamed "King Kong." He'd be called "lanky" now.
But doesn't it cause you just a little bit of a pause when this guy's personal trainer for a decade is the guy Grimsley identified as the one who hooked him up with HGH? I mean, there's a little smoke there............!
And again, baseball is not testing for HGH (can't with a urine-only sample) and certain masking agents keep players from testing positive on some steroids. Big cat and mouse game going on.
How many people is this man personal trainer for? Are you suggesting that he is providing all of them with illegal/banned substances?Suspicious? Perhaps. Conclusive? Certainly not. If I my insurance agent, for example, is engaging in fraudulent claims with other people he has insured ... does that mean that I am a criminal, too?
It might be prudent, however, for Pujols to find another personal trainer.
If you hear anything [other than unfounded rumour/suspicion] that implicates Pujols ... do, please, ping me.
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