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Government admits lying about jailed border agents (DHS fesses up - Rep. Poe ticked!)
World Net Daily ^ | February 6, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:18:29 PM PST by calcowgirl

Inspector confronted on Capitol Hill, says promised 'proof' does not exist

A Department of Homeland Security official admitted today the agency misled Congress when it contended it possessed investigative reports proving Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean confessed guilt and declared they "wanted to shoot some Mexicans" prior to the incident that led to their imprisonment.

The admission came during the testimony of DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, according to Michael Green, press secretary for Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.

Culberson was questioning Skinner about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting the DHS Inspector General's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:

1. confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

2. stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

3. stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

4. were belligerent to investigators;

5. destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.

Under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up the claims: "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from the congressman.

"You lied to me and you lied to all of us," Culberson charged. "Your office tried to paint a picture of Ramos and Compean as dirty cops, and now you come before this committee and tell us you never had the information to back up those claims."

Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month after their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler who was granted immunity to testify against them.

Responding to Skinner's testimony yesterday, Poe said it "explains why DHS has been stonewalling Congress."

"DHS didn't turn over the reports to us to back up their September 26 accusations for one simple reason – the reports never existed," the Texas congressman said.

"Why did it take DHS four months to admit their error?" he asked. "I wonder how much more has DHS told the public and Congress about Ramos and Compean that simply isn't true?"

Poe said he's determined to get to the bottom of DHS's claim.

"I expect this new revelation will lead to a lot more questions before we're done," he said.

Andy Ramirez, who has been involved with the case as chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, told WND the DHS's actions "represent obstruction of justice, and they should be held in contempt of Congress, and, if possible, prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

"This admission today is yet more proof of how they are willing to distort the facts, as I have charged all along, in order to ensure a conviction," he said.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; culberson; dhs; duncanhunter; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen; outtoshootmexicans; sutton; tedpoe; vigilantes; warning; witchhunt
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To: rovenstinez; calcowgirl; Cicero

With reports of BP personnel being sued for defending themselves, and these guys being put in prison, in the general population no less, you have to ask who in their right minds would want to become a Border Patrol agent now?

If they violated policy on firearms, fine. Fire them. You don't put them in prison for the rest of their children's childhood, to be killed by some felon looking to make his bones.


21 posted on 02/06/2007 6:28:29 PM PST by marron
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To: bpjam
tough call, a re-trial, commutation or pardon?

How about medals , promotions and backpay ? ;-) (/sarc)

I'd take a commutation for now, a pardon might be too much to expect or hope for at this point.

22 posted on 02/06/2007 6:28:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: calcowgirl
Still no transcript? The only reason you can leave anything out of a transcript is National Security. As boarders and the Boarder Patrol doesn't involve national security*, they shouldn't be anything left out.

What?

*I'm kidding or being sarcastic?

They would have been sealed up on 9-12-01 if they were!

23 posted on 02/06/2007 6:28:59 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: xcamel
I am beginning to wonder just what facts the President was given on this case. I think someone muddied up the water bigtime before the details of this case got to him.
24 posted on 02/06/2007 6:29:34 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: bpjam
The fact that the warden and her running dog lackeys are letting illegal alien thugs into the man's cell to beat him clearly suggests the authorization comes from far up the chain of command ~ probably all the way to the Attorney General.

You really gotta' ask what his motive is in this ~ is he doing a deal for a drug dealer buddy, or a cousin in Mexico?

25 posted on 02/06/2007 6:30:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: reformedliberal

IMHO we have the worst DHS secretary possible... Chertoff and he was the man in charge of FEMA during Katrina, too... if anyone's head should roll he's the man..


26 posted on 02/06/2007 6:30:46 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

NBCSanDiego.com

Duncan Hunter: Beaten Border Agent Should Have Been Segregated

POSTED: 4:22 pm PST February 6, 2007
UPDATED: 4:27 pm PST February 6, 2007

EL PASO, Texas -- A former Texas Border Patrol agent is recovering after being beaten by his fellow inmates in a Mississippi prison.


Prison officials confirmed that Ignacio Ramos was attacked late Saturday and suffered minor cuts and bruises. Four inmates are under suspicion in the investigation of the assault.

Ramos has now been moved to a special housing unit.

Ramos and another agent were convicted of shooting a suspected drug smuggler in 2005 and then lying about it.

San Diego-area Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter said Ramos should have been segregated from the general prison population for his own safety when he reported to prison in January. Hunter has called for the two agents to be pardoned.






28 posted on 02/06/2007 6:31:34 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: mware

Considering he came out of the Clintonista state dep.?
I do not think you need to wonder much...


29 posted on 02/06/2007 6:31:36 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

30% 25% 20% 15% 10%?

I can't even believe I'm saying this about Bush. How low does he need to go? How much more of his base can he p ss off before he leaves office?


30 posted on 02/06/2007 6:32:47 PM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: muawiyah
The fact that the 'shootee' was entrusted with a second and bigger load tell us anything?
31 posted on 02/06/2007 6:32:53 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

Somehow I think there is something here that links with Sutton's other high profile drug/border case.


32 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:11 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks! They need to lawyer up,, no time to wimp out.

It's been a month here without Fox News Channel.. so no O'Really, Sean&Cycloplopus. uhh Colmes,, ScHlEP, I miss the Brit Hume hour, That's about it.


33 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: TruthConquers

I've looked at some of the court documents available (for a fee) online through Pacer. While there are a lot of things sealed, the transcripts aren't in that category. The transcripts from the trial simply haven't been created yet. The transcripts for the appeals process were requested by both defendants after sentencing (11/15 and 11/30/06)--and appropriate payment arrangements made. The ball is in the court reporter's court to prepare them and file them with the court. I have no idea what the normal timing for that process is.


34 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:27 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I always thought that this sort of "after the fact" info painted a "not beyond a reasonable doubt" scenario. Shouldn't the 2 agents be released immediately based on this?


35 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:30 PM PST by albie
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Mark Rich gets a pardon by Clinton yet Bush lets these heros sit in prison. I'm starting to become very concerned for our republic.


36 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:34 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Arizona Carolyn; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Grampa Dave
Demand for pardon dittoes.

White House Comment Line 1-202-456-1111

Does the administration really need human sacrifice to get its obsessive "immigration reform"?

In the way the NRA president said Clinton needed a certain level of violence?

37 posted on 02/06/2007 6:34:02 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: calcowgirl
"EL PASO, Texas — A former Border Patrol agent who was convicted of shooting a drug smuggling suspect and then lying about it has been beaten by fellow inmates in prison.

Prison officials on Tuesday confirmed assertions by a congressman and relatives of Ignacio Ramos. He was attacked Saturday night after his case was described on the TV show "America's Most Wanted," the officials said."

source

38 posted on 02/06/2007 6:34:36 PM PST by F-117A (Mr. Ahtisaari, give Sápmi it's independence! Free the Sami!!!)
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To: muawiyah

BOR says his program is going to ask for the AG to investigate the warden.


39 posted on 02/06/2007 6:34:51 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: calcowgirl

What else is DHS lying to us about?

Every time I fly and am forced to remove my shoes, I'm grateful Richard Reid is not known as the Underwear Bomber.

— Douglas Manuel, aerospace executive regards airport security. Reported in USA Today, 13 March 2003.


40 posted on 02/06/2007 6:35:19 PM PST by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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