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Posted on 03/09/2007 8:53:08 PM PST by mom4kittys
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Thread Number Two
Before I get into anything else, the first line says “After the death in 1996 of Howard Marshall, her husband, she experienced bouts of depression and had been admitted to Betty Ford Clinic. “
JHMII died in August 1995
ANS went to Betty Ford in Nov 1995
I see. One of us.
Who or what was “across the hall” for her to walk to? Were there even more “friends” of theirs in the hotel on Tuesday, staying across the hall from their suite?
Or does that mean she walked from her room to the guest room, through the living room/parlor space, as the “hall”? If this means she walked over to KE’s room within the same suite, (meaning walked from Room 607 to Room 609, but still within her own suite) then it is suspect, too.
Man, that is one yucky sounding cure. I’m going to do it.
Thanks for sharing that link :)
Thanks Rte66, I didn’t realize he was the one wiring the money from California..thanks for the info!
“” To explain: A cracker is an arrogant, boastful person in English Literature and both Dickens and Shakespeare used it. Shakespeare uses it in King John. The Cracker character is an illegitimate son (this would be effectively be Howard)who makes claims to the throne. The legitimate son dies by accident. And yes, King John suddenly runs a fever and dies...poison.
Howard’s plot is well...So Shakespeare!!”””
Your Shakespeare plot is amazing. I wonder if Moe or any of the elite group, have any knowledge, of a link to HKS and Shakespeare/The Cracker! One thing that reeks around the SternTeam is ARROGRANCE, Unblievable Arrogance!!!!
Who but an arrogant POS would spew hate towards the dead person’s Mom during an eulogy?? From the beginning HKS has had zero empathy or compassion for anyone. Talk about an arrogant bast*rd!! Only a sociopath would threaten the media like HKS has done. Shane Gibson better run as far from HKS as possible.
Thanks Arizona, like I told Rte66, I must have missed that bit of information. I didn’t realize he was the one wiring the money out of California...that makes him a party to this SH_T as well! Thanks again!
YEP - I guess MONEY TALKS even if you are in prison! It reminds me of that scense from “Good Fellas” where all the mafia guys are in prison and they’ve paid off the guards so they have access to all of the ingredients to cook that good italian food....and they even have wine! LOL...Money buys a lot of things and a lot of people, unfortuntely...but it won’t buy salvation...lol
From the Web:
“Speaking of Shakespeare, which is the genesis of the remark “the first thing we must do is kill all the lawyers”, lawyers try to twist the words to mean:
As the famous remark by the plotter of treachery in Shakespeare’s King Henry VI shows - “The first thing we must do is kill all the lawyers,” - the surest way to chaos and tyranny even then was to remove the guardians of independent thinking.”
(from THINKING LIKE A LAWYER)
“The argument of this remark as in fact being favorable to lawyers is a marvel of sophistry, twisting of the meaning of words in an unfamiliar source, disregard of the evident intent of the original author, and ad hominem attack. Whoever first came up with this interpretation surely must have been a lawyer.
The line is actually uttered by a character “Dick The Butcher”. While he’s a killer as evil as his name implies, he often makes highly comedic and amusing statements. The wisecracking villain is not an invention of modern action movies, it dates back to Shakespeare and beyond.
The setup for the “kill the lawyers” statement is the ending portion of a comedic relief part of a scene in Henry VI, part 2 (act 4, scene 2, in specific). Dick and another henchman, Smith are members of the gang of Jack Cade, a pretender to the throne. The build-up is long portion where Cade makes vain boasts, which are cut down by sarcastic replies from the others. The pertinent part where the kill the lawyers line pops up is here:
JACK CADE.
I thank you, good people:- there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.
And here is where Dick speaks the famous line.
DICK.
The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.
The audience must have doubled over in laughter at this. Far from “eliminating those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution” or portraying lawyers as “guardians of independent thinking”, it’s offered as the best feature imagined of yet for utopia. It’s hilarious. A very rough and simplistic modern translation would be “When I’m the King, there’ll be two cars in every garage, and a chicken in every pot” “AND NO LAWYERS”. It’s a clearly lawyer-bashing joke. This is further supported by the dialogue just afterwards (which is actually quite funny even now, and must have been hilarious when the idiom was contemporary):
DICK.
The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.
JACK CADE.
Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o’er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings: but I say, ‘tis the bee’s wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.- How now! who’s there?
He might just as well have been describing “shrink-wrap” software licensing agreements today in the last sentence. To understand what Cade is saying here, you have to know that documents of the time were likely parchment, and sealed with wax. So when he says “Some say the bees stings; but I say, ‘tis the bee’s wax”. he’s making an ironic comment somewhat akin to “Some men rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen”. And the fact that he himself is an evil man only serves to heighten the irony, not discredit the sentiment - the more evil he is, the more the contrast is apparent.
It makes as much sense to conclude that since the “kill the lawyers” joke is expressed by villains, who later commit murderous deeds “there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score” is an approval of Libertarian thought, and a warning about Communists.
Now, just after this exchange, the scene changes tone. The gang commits the murder of the clerk of Chatham. Here is the second level of Shakespeare’s commentary on law and layers, where the murder is carried out according to scrupulous procedure, a parody of law:
JACK CADE.
I am sorry for’t: the man is a proper man, of mine honour; unless I find him guilty, he shall not die.- Come hither, sirrah, I must examine thee: what is thy name?
By this contrast Shakespeare thus makes in an alternating, connected, comedic and tragic manner, the age-old point about the difference between law (and those who argue it) and justice. Cade makes up his “version” of law to his own ends, to the justification of his evil deeds, which is reminiscent of the context which commonly provokes “kill the lawyers” (where the phrase is in wry protest of actions thought to be the same in form, if not in degree). Far from being “out of context”, the usage is more true to the original than most people know.
Now, compares this to the description given by the web page Lawyers are Our Friends!
Cade’s friend Dick the Butcher, being only barely smarter than Cade, knew Cade’s scheme could not succeed if the learned advisors to the real King actually investigated Cade’s lineage. So, Dick the Butcher advised Cade that “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers,” hoping that this tactic would prevent Cade from being discovered as an imposter. At least in Shakespeare’s time, lawyers were regarded as the protectors of truth.
That lawyer is being a protector of some sort, but it doesn’t seem to be of the truth!
In fact, Shakespeare used lawyers as figures of derision on several occasions. In “Romeo and Juliet”, Mercutio uses the line “O’er lawyers’ fingers, who straight dream on fees;” (act 1, scene 4). In “King Lear”, the fool defends a speech in riddles by comparing it to an “unfee’d lawyer” (act 1, scene 4):
EARL OF KENT.
This is nothing, fool.
FOOL.
Then ‘tis like the breath of an unfee’d lawyer,- you gave me nothing for’t.- Can you make no use of nothing, nuncle?
There’s a very long and lawyer-uncomplimentary passage in Hamlet. Note the similarity of the “parchment” joke to that seen in Henry VI, part 2.
HAMLET.
There’s another: why may not that be the skull of a lawyer? Where be his quiddits now, his quillets, his cases, his tenures, and his tricks? why does he suffer this rude knave now to knock him about the sconce with a dirty shovel, and will not tell him of his action of battery? Hum! This fellow might be in’s time a great buyer of land, with his statutes, his recognizances, his fines, his double vouchers, his recoveries: is this the fine of his fines, and the recovery of his recoveries, to have his fine pate full of fine dirt? will his vouchers vouch him no more of his purchases, and double ones too, than the length and breadth of a pair of indentures? The very conveyances of his lands will hardly lie in this box; and must the inheritor himself have no more, ha?
HORATIO.
Not a jot more, my lord.
HAMLET.
Is not parchment made of sheep-skins?
HORATIO.
Ay, my lord, and of calf-skins too.
HAMLET.
They are sheep and calves which seek out assurance in that. I will speak to this fellow.- Whose grave’s this, sirrah?
As long as there are lawyers, there will be “lawyer jokes”. And lawyers will show how those jokes ring true by trying to explain how such lampooning really constitutes praise for their profession, thus by example justifying the jokes more than ever.”
Sorry to but in, but that’s horrible! I take Allegra and Claritin as well as other OTC medicines to control my allergies and ‘itchies’, and I thought no one could be as bad as me, but if your husband is breaking out in hives, that is WAY worse! Has he been screened for some type of autoimmune disease? They are usually hard to diagnose, but I’m beginning to think I may have one since I have so many symptoms. Also, skin problems and allergies are frequently connected to auto-immune diseases. Also, has he been tested for allergies? Some insurance companies do not pay for it, and it costs about $500 - $800 to be screened, I believe. My aunt has worked for allergy doctors (she does the testing) for aboout 20 years, and the treatment for them (usually shots) seems to offer a lot of relief to most patients....Just a thought...bc I can sympathize with your husband and I hope he starts feeling better...
Oh, yeah - I could almost smell the garlic in that one!
Nopey nope, I still don’t quite “get it” about that prison sentence. “My guys” were just as wealthy and influential as GBT, it not moreso back then, but couldn’t do any of those things. Some still can’t. Maybe ‘cause it’s TX? That prolly doesn’t matter to feds - but this was a huge number of cases and the destruction of an entire industry. I really don’t know.
One of “mine” was even a drug mule, but he laid down and died of a heart attack, one day’s drive out of town before his sentencing, on his way in. His mom was on the Top 10 FBI Most Wanted Fugitives for a long time.
She was gone last time I looked, but I can’t recall if it was because she was captured or she died. LOL, she used to be a lot of fun!
One of my favorites is the grass one:
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One afternoon, a wealthy lawyer was riding in the back of his limousine when he saw two pathetic-looking men by the side of the road, eating grass. He ordered his driver to stop and got out to investigate. He asked the men, “Why are you eating grass?”
“We don’t have no money for food,” the first man replied.
“Then you must come with me to my house,” insisted the lawyer.
“But, sir, I got a wife and three kids here,” said the man.
“Bring them along!” replied the lawyer.
The second man exclaimed, “I got a wife and six kids!”
“Bring them as well!”, the lawyer proclaimed as he headed back to his limo.
They all climbed into the car, and once underway, one of the men expresses, “Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you.”
The lawyer replied, “I’m most happy to do it. You’ll love my place. The grass is almost a foot tall.”
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I’m not sure I understand....did “A. KEITH SKANE” take over the name Smoochie Lips Inc. and can incorporate it? If the company is suspended, is there not a certain length of time that the ‘actual owners’ of the corporation can ‘pay up’ (as in taxes) before the corporate name is surrendered? Kind of like how real property can be ‘sold’ if the taxes aren’t paid, but the original property owner can RECLAIM the property by paying the taxes AND FINES within a certain amount of time?
“He had to have told them about the Montgomery, AL, work camp”
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Huh? Are you talking about GBT’s ‘time in prison’?? I guess that is what you must mean....and strangely, I think an acquaintance of mine’s father was in the the same ‘camp’ around the same time! LOL! I’ll have to see what I can find out about that!
Yeah, that’s what I meant. LOL, that’s a different DOJ region from “mine” so I’m not familiar with it.
From what I’ve heard (from my parents who were friends with the man I’m talking about), it was definitely a ‘white-collar’ prison....at least at that time. The man I mentioned was the father of a girl I knew from school (who was a few years younger than me), and he was a friend of my parents’. Also, my parents went to visit him in Montgomery, and they are the ones that told me it wasn’t that bad (considering it was a PRISON)! LOL...I’m not sure if it is the same place that GBT was, but if I had to guess I would say that is where he would do ‘time’...like I said, I need to ask my parents and their friends to see if they know him...lol
I didn’t live here when all of “mine” went down - moved back a few years after, so I didn’t go “visit.” However, they all gave interviews and it was definitely “country club” prison.
Gee, speaking of the devils, ET re-run is on now, so I *do* get to see it. Oh yes, big screaming headlines about GBT, details to follow.
Oh, ugh, I can’t take all this HKS propaganda. Ick.
“” IMPORTANT role in this drug death. Whose name was the Methadone in?
And why did Howard say in Seidlin’s court that she hadn’t taken any in months.””
Good questions!!! HKS literally LIED about Anna’s use of Methadone and he can’t use not remembering as an excuse, since it was still in her body, from using just a few days before death. Wonder what Seidlin thinks about Howie’s testimony now?? Have any of the talking heads brought up the lying on the stand about the methadone?
Didn’t Wecht also say that Methadone wouldn’t be found in Anna’s body? What a strange thing for Wecht to say!! He must have been in contact with HKS concerning Anna’s death prior to the autopsy results.
Now the big question becomes - Did Daniel have CH in his tissues??
Or maybe...she had a moment of ‘lucidity’ and she was trying to get the F__K out of there! I’ve seen people who were really messed up have moments of sheer normalcy, especially if they were in a panic. If a person is on a lot of ‘downers’ (to the point of ALMOST overdosing), and that person encounters a ‘threat’ or fear of a threat, the cortisol levels will rise in a ‘fight or flight response’. This will usually happen even if a person is ‘pharmacology depressed’. In response, that person will be able to make some attempt to save themself, unless that person is nearly or totally incapicated by the drugs he or she has taken.
Also, a person who typically abuses downers is even more suspeptible to loud noises and other things that might startle someone. They usually seek a quiet, dark environment for long lengths of time.
Oh, sure, I know that’s possible. I’m just thinking of this as something either HKS or KE *told* Perper. Just trying to “interpret” it by why they would tell him that.
(Here comes the GBT stuff on the “last minute” of ET ... oh, well, all they said was exactly that short statement which was on their web page.)
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