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HKS 20 Feb 2007 Part 2
Susan Brown: I mean I understand what you are ruling on the document, but an affidavit should not be coming into evidence
Seidlin: So noted.
Stephen Tunstell: A zerox copy.
Krista Barth: The court is in possession of the original.
ST: Affidavits are admissible now, your Honor?
SB: It clearly hearsay, your Honor.
ST: Its not Vickie Marshalls affidavit your Honor. Its somebody we dont even know who they are.
John OQuinn: Im going to object. This is an affidavit by someone, whose name hasnt even been identified, whose signatures have not been identified. Its total hearsay and its worse. Its not even authenticated.
KB: Your Honor, again .
Seidlin: See youre just fortunate to have the judge as the trier of fact. You may proceed
KB: Thank you, your Honor.
Seidlin: Im going to have to make head or tail out of all of this.
KB: I would respectfully request that the both the documents related to the purchase of the plot, the letter of Anna Nicole Smith and the uh, accompanying affidavit be moved into evidence, your Honor. And your Honor can then determine what weight it gets.
Seidlin: Yes, yes, and you all can attack it. You will on cross.
JO: I know we can attack on cross, but there is a matter of admissibility, we object to it. Its hearsay. It doesnt bear Anna Nicoles signature anywhere, it doesnt even seemingly bear her name. This document is called a plot and a memorial.
SB: We join them, your Honor, in that objection..
Seidlin: And if youd had more time, you would have brought these people
KB: Absolutely, your Honor, we would have brought the banker over from the Bahamas.
Seidlin: Shes hamstrung. How can I visit the sins of time upon her not being able to have her witnesses here.
SB: How do we cross-examine an affidavit? We dont object to the banker appearing I believe telephonically. How do we cross examine an affidavit?
KB: Your Honor could look to Mr. Sterns testimony, as he, as her lawyer, is intimately has his own personal knowledge of how her banking was done.
Seidlin: Im going to look higher than that.
KB: Certainly your Honor.
Seidlin: You may proceed.
KB: Anna was aware that her son, Daniel, was buried in that plot, is that right?
SB: Your honor I object to counsel testifying.
KB: Its a question.
SB: Oh, I apologize, I thought it was a statement.
DO: Leading on direction.
KB: OK, one attorney at a time, your Honor, please.
JO: It also asks for one person to read another persons mind. Sheer speculation.
KB: Is that proper evidentiary ..?
Seidlin: Im going to have you rephrase the question.
KB: Was Anna aware where Daniel was buried.?
HKS: [to OQuinn] Are you going to object? [to Barth] Yes. yes, Anna Nicole
JO: Objection, hearsay.
Seidlin: Im going to have to move on.
JO: what he knows as a fact.
Seidlin: Texas, I need to move on. I know a lot of this has problems in terms of .
JO: We are laboring too your Honor, because we havent had any discovery, we havent had any opportunity to test these statements.
Seidlin: And we knew this going in. We knew the handicaps we had going in. We are all on the same playing field. We all suffer the same handicaps. The record is there forever. Im going to allow it in.
KB: Thank you, your Honor.
Seidlin: Youre going to have the same problems when you present your case. And youre going to have the same leeway.
JO: Honestly, when we started this hearing last week, I thought we were here on whether he had standing, to even file the suit. I didnt know we were going to be in this part of case ..discovery.
Seidlin: Well, I didnt know where I was until I got in it, myself. But we are here.
JO: Well, since the object of everything is to get to the real truth, we are handicapped by not having any discovery. [unintelligible]
Seidlin: Ive protected all the attorneys at the beginning. Tell their clients this is whats happening. Ive told all the clients, all your parties what handicaps you have. And there is no sense belaboring that.
JO: The fact that you tell us we have handicaps, does not erase them, your Honor. They still exist.
KB: Your Honor, I am unaware of any precedent where the trial court has been overruled in a bench trial for allowing in such evidence. And he did just say that the important thing was to get to the truth.
Seidlin: We are here on a search for the truth. And we will proceed. You may proceed.
KB: What, if anything, did Anna say to you specifically on the subject of Daniels burial?
HKS: Well, like I said, it started with an inquiry, where she was telling me to look at places in Los Angeles, to look at Marilynns, and to look at places near Marilynn Monroe, and then also to look at places in the Bahamas. So we had numerous discussions and by the time she decided, that when she told me, she said, Im here, and I want my son to be here, and this is where we are going to be, this is home. At that point, um she initially told me that she wanted me to look into mausoleums. So I went down to Lakeview and I looked at mausoleums, and they only had a mausoleum for 2 people, and it would have taken 6 months for 4. So then, she wanted me to look into whether, how secure the ground plots were, and whether bugs could get to the body, because both she and Daniel were afraid of bugs. And once that concern, once I spoke with them and that concern was alleviated then she decided that she wanted, and again this was with pictures. I had pictures that I showed her, so she picked out the two double plots, side by side, uh that Daniel is currently resting in and where she wants to be as well
KB: You said that she worried about Daniel being protected from the bugs, was she still concerned about Daniels welfare after he passed away?
HKS: Absolutely. Absolutely.
KB: What did she say to you that made you know that she was worrying about Daniel?
HKS: Just every aspect of how the funeral was planned. She wanted um all of his friends to write notes, anybody who knew him close to write notes to Daniel, she included a picture of herself and Daniel in the casket. Just there were so many things that she did or that she said that showed me how concerned she was for Daniels welfare. She wanted Daniel to be comfortable, so he wore an outfit that he had, that was not a suit, because Daniel didnt really wear suits. Um she put a rosary that was blessed by the Pope in his casket. She she didnt want to believe that Daniel was dead. Even at the funeral
KB: Tell me what happened at the funeral.
HKS: She she had real problems accepting that Daniel was gone. She wanted to see him in the casket. So at the beginning, before the ceremony started, she had the people open the casket. And she was just inconsolable and hugging Daniel, and grabbing onto him. And she wanted to go down with Daniel, right then. She said if Daniel has to be buried, I want to be buried with him. And it was um it was a very emotional ..
JO: Objection hearsay thats part of my running objection.
JO: And also its not irrelevant.
KB: Is your Honor sustaining his objection?
Seidlin: No, Im just letting him speak.
KB: Oh, OK, thank you. Again goes to state of mind, not the truth of the matter asserted, your Honor. Could you tell me. Im sorry that you were interrupted. Could you tell me .you said Anna wanted to go with him. What do you th
HKS: She .both before and after the ceremony, Anna required that the casket be opened. Against um what I thought would have been best. Against what her bodyguard thought would have been best.
Seidlin: How does this help me with relevancy for what I have to do?
KB: Your Honor, to show the intent. That she wanted to be with Daniel when she was alive.
Seidlin: I see.
KB: She wanted to crawl into that that space where he was.
Seidlin: Alright, lets start to wrap this up. I mean, lets start to wrap it up, this area.
KB: Um, your Honor, I would just request we have another portion of testimony Im concerned would go for some period of time.
Seidlin: With who?
KB: With Mr. Stern.
Seidlin: What issues?
KB: Um I would like him to both authenticate and I would like to inquire of him as to some tapes that were done of Anna Nicole discussing um both her relationship with her mother and how the death of Daniel affected her. Out of her own words. And I dont think there is much better evidence than that.
Seidlin: Tapes that who took?
KB: These tapes were done by various news agencies in interviews with Miss Marshall and Mr. Stern was present during the filming of these. Again I would argue, against any hearsay objection, which Im sure is coming from behind my left shoulder, that, you know, your Honor certainly, as this is a bench trial, is able to determine the weight and sufficiency of the relevance.
Seidlin: And the foundation? Right?
JO: No foundation and authentification ..
Seidlin: What mental condition was she in when she did them.
JO: What mental condition was she in? And even if its authentic if its been spliced, diced, you know the news media doesnt run everything they take a tape of! They edit it like a movie in Hollywood.
Susan Brown: Also if their tapes come in, we have tapes. Does that mean our tapes come in?
Nancy Haas: Its got to be all or nothing your Honor.
SB: Because if not, we are going to object, and we have tapes too.
Seidlin: Its going to be all.
Deb Opri: Thank you, your Honor.
JO: If a portion of the tape comes in, I want the entire tape to come in, so nothing is taken out of context, your Honor. Nothing.
Seidlin: Unfortunately, Im going to make that decision, because time if of the essence. Im moving ahead.
KB: I do have both Mr. Stern to authenticate but I also have the Independent News Agencies ..
Seidlin: What are you going to ..where are you going to take him now?
KB: Well thats why I would like to take him through the tapes. Unfortunately, for some reason, this morning in all the chaos the gentleman that I had here, to play this DVD for the court Ah, who is here.
Unknown voice: DVD?
KB: Yes, who I thought was not here but now he is so .
Deb Opri: Your Honor, its very important that the court be aware, that any entertainment show tapes being submitted, we would request that you would subpoena for example, Entertainment Tonight
KB: Theyve been subpoened..
KB: Your Honor, again as they dont have standing to this issue, Im proving intent, they need to disprove intent for the narrow issues at hand, I believe that the very the pieces that you will see will be compelling and if your Honor feels the need to take any additional testimony or see any additional films, he could then make that determination.
JO: Whatever standing they do or dont have, I certainly have a standing, representing the blood kin of this person we are talking about and we object to a portion of the tape coming in. We want the whole tape.
DO: So joined.
[HKS whispering in KBs ear]
Seidlin: Besides that, what else do you are you intending to prove out.
SB: Your Honor, can I make a suggestion? Perhaps if you view the out-takes, but view the entire thing in your own office, so that we are not here for the next six months.
Seidlin: I always told you all, I always told everyone here, whatever I see, you see. There is nothing Im going to see that you dont see. Theres no mystery. Theres nothing hidden here. You see what I see. Im going to decide how much of the tape Im going to watch. But whatever I watch, youre going to watch. I appreciate your thoughts though.
KB: I would offer to .
Seidlin: Now where do we go beyond the tapes, where are you going to go next?
KB: Beyond the tapes, I would like to just .
Seidlin: You want to bring in the purported will, dont you?
KB: Yes, your Honor, I do want to bring in the purported will.
Seidlin: Cause I know youre getting a little tired. You want to bring in the purported will.
KB: You have no idea.
Seidlin: If I let you eat a little lunch, youre going to remember the purported will. And hes going to be bringing it in? Through him, youre going to bring it in?
KB: Yes, your Honor, well Im going to bring the will in, Im going to attempt to bring the will in, both through Mr. Stern, through an affidavit of Mr. Lund, who was the attorney that drafted it
JO: Uhuh, no.
Seidlin: Relax, Texas.
KB: I did not have the time, your Honor, to have Mr. Lund be here, but if your Honor requires me ...
Seidlin: I dont want him here. We dont have time. I dont have time. I want whos here now.
JO: Lack of time is no excuse to violate the rules of evidence.
Seidlin: Well, I appreciate youre reminding me of that, Texas.
JO: She says she went through her case by hearsay or by an affidavit, that is totally foreign to the way things are supposed to be decided, your Honor.
Seidlin: But Im protecting you, Texas.
JO: I cant cross an affidavit.
Seidlin: When you get back to Texas, theyre going to remember you, Tex. Let me ask you a question. What do you intend .who do you intend to present, today?
JO: Also, if we could look at this purported will during the lunch hour, it might go faster when we get back.
KB: Well, theyve seen it. Its the same one?
JO: Do you have a copy of it? The exact one that youre going to present?
KB: Absolutely. Absolutely. The same copy. Theres only one.
JO: Now, your question, your Honor?
ST: As far as we know there only one.
Seidlin: Well, who do you intend to call for your side? Now normally for the parties that are here today, we would know what witnesses. Theyd have a witness list
KB: Your Honor, Im sorry if I mis-spoke. That is all I have with this witness, but I do have several other witnesses.
KB: I have Maurice Brighthaupt.
Seidlin: Whos he?
KB: He was her good friend and bodyguard. I have um Troy Hollier.
Seidlin: Whos he?
KB: Troy Hollier is a completely uninterested party in any of this, and that has known Anna for a very long time. Hes a police officer, I think, above reproach, very important for the court to hear.
Seidlin: Who else?
JO: [under his breath] Above reproach
ST: Police are above reproach?
DO: Thats news to me.
[Barth looks around room, incredulous that they are all making fun of her.]
Seidlin: Theyre just, theyre just getting tired.
KB: OK, I um I do have ..[goes over to Ron Rale]
RR: Theresa Larrimore, shes a friend of Annas who lives in the Bahamas, and she has been a part of
Seidlin: And shes going to come in here?
RR: Thats correct, and we have Patrik Simpson.
KB: Patrik Simpson, another very close friend of Annas. And whats important about all these witnesses, your Honor, although I believe that all the evidence will be cumulative, I dont want you to just hear from my client.
Seidlin: No, no I understand.
KB: I want you to hear from lots of people especially people uninterested in knowing where Anna wanted to go.
Seidlin: We will run through them fast. And Texas who do you think you are going to how many you going to call? Who are you going to call?
JO: Well, we are going to call our client as a witness.
Seidlin: Good. Id like to hear from her. Who else?
JO: What else happened? Well, it will depend largely on what has happened before we get up there. We havent had a deposition of any of these people. We havent even seen their written statements.
Seidlin: Milstein? What do you intend to do?
Seidlin: Just sit back on these two?
Milstein: Basically, yes, your Honor, I might have some cross examination, but
Seidlin: Fine, fine.
Milstein: At this point, [unintelligible] hearing objections because we want to keep moving forward, counsel have been doing that,
Seidlin: And you?
Deb Opri: Larry Birkhead
DO: Ford Shelly
DO: And possibly Ben Thompson.
KB: Im sorry, your Honor, they are actually calling witnesses in our case?
Seidlin: Do you intend to have your client help the court decide where
Stephen Tunstell: No, your Honor.
KB: No, absolutely he has no standing.
ST: If counsel objects, we will call those folks.
DO: Thats a standing decision, you havent made yet, your Honor.
KB: Hes a witness, not a party.
DO: Pending a request for DNA.
ST: The question, excuse me, the question to us was how many witnesses. Now, I dont represent Mr. Birkhead, but of course, he is a witness to this issue of intent
Seidlin: Ill do this. Ill do this as a compromise. Ill let Birkhead, if he wants to testify, he can. But thats it. Thats the
SB: Can you take him out of turn, your Honor? Hes here from California..
Seidlin: Stay with me, stay with me, you keep
Larry Birkhead: I have to use the restroom.
Seidlin: Oh, that you can do .go. I want you to stay here, through the proceeding, I want you to stay.
SB: Can you take him after Mr. Stern, however, your Honor?
Seidlin: No, hes going to stay with us. Hes starting to get real comfortable. [To Stern] And when you do want to get back to the Bahamas? Youre going to stay a little longer, are you?
HKS: Sir, I would like to go back tonight, to be with my baby.
Seidlin: And how about if you spent a little time with me tomorrow? Ill get you, Ill get you tomorrow .
HKS: Again, the issue is that we had a break-in at this house. I have security there .
Seidlin: Somebodys taking care of the baby now?
HKS: Of course, but Id feel much more comfortable if I were there.
Seidlin: Alright, well think about that. Hes not our captor. But well think about that. All right were going to take a break. Its one oclock. Well see you back at 2:30. Lets give you a break.
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>>>Oh my...NG used the term 'doobies.' Geesh, did she raise her quasi-drawn eyebrow when she said it...LOL? Seidlin looks better (to me) all the time. Kinda scary :)>>>
With a heavy pause, and then purse her lips immediately after saying it? Sometimes she reminds me of the Church Lady. Hmmm ... SATAN? *Pursed lips, eyebrow cocked*
Have you been watching the trial on Court TV of the nurse who allegedly killed her husband, chopped up his body, put it in suitcases, and threw them off a bridge?
The doctor boss who she was having an affair with testified the romance began when she was 9 months pregnant and gave him oral sex in the office...
Dannielynn, Stern En Route to DNA Testing
Stern is shaking in his boots. It's only a matter of a week or so until he loses custody. Next problem for him is eviction.
Weren't they saying last night on the shows that results could be known today?
If HKS appealled, what's that mean if the tests are already done. The results (if not to his liking) won't count?
Strangest court case I've ever heard.
Didn't Nancy say "half of American is smoking doobies right now" and totally minimized doing weed.
And then conviction.
The late Anna Nicole Smith's mother Virgie Arthur, center, reacts to cheers from the crowd of onlookers as she walks to the Bahamian Supreme Court to attend a hearing in the ongoing paternity case for Smith's six month old daughter Dannielyn, in Nassau, Bahamas, Tuesday, March 20, 2007. (AP Photo/Tim Aylen)
It's nice to see Virgie smile again.
I think it was Showbiz Tonight...
Oh, no kidding. If I were Howard's mother, I'd move and change my name :/
Per Sacs Request here is the link and the full transcript of Anna Nicole Smith's Bahamian attorney, Michael Scott (Sept 13th)wrt Daniels death:
Anna Nicole recently moved to the Bahamas to avoid the intent media scrutiny in the United States that she has received throughout her career. She wanted to give birth to her new baby girl in a peaceful environment. Shortly after Anna Nicole gave birth, her son Daniel flew to the Bahamas to share in the joy of his sister's arrival.
Howard K. Stern picked up Daniel from the airport at 10:30 p.m. on Saturday, 9th Sept 2006. They drove straight from the airport to Doctors Hospital. With one exception, Anna Nicole, Daniel and Howard spent the entire evening together in Anna Nicole's hospital room. The one exception was when Howard left to get food because everybody was hungry.
When Daniel arrived in the hospital room he went straight to his baby sister. He embraced his mother and sister and told them both that he loved them. Daniel was very helpful to his mother and baby sister. On several occasions throughout the night, Daniel assisted his mother to the bathroom, as she was still in a lot of pain from her C-section.
Anna Nicole, Daniel and Howard spent the entire night together and had a wonderful time together with Ann Nicole's newborn baby. At all times, the hospital staff knew that Howard was in the room with Anna Nicole and Daniel.
The chronology prepared by Doctors Hospital states that Daniel was observed by hospital personnel helping his mother at approximately 6:20 a.m.
Later in the morning, Anna Nicole awoke and noticed that her son appeared not to be breathing. Anna Nicole frantically awakened Howard with the alarm that Daniel was not breathing. Howard immediately checked Daniel's neck for a pulse and the nurses were immediately summoned. According to the Doctors Hospital chronology, this occurred at approximately 9:38 a.m.
Daniel and Anna Nicole Smith Photo by: Denise Truscello / WireImageLawyer: Anna Nicole Is 'Overwhelmed'| Death, Anna Nicole Smith
Hospital personnel came immediately to administer emergency aid and assistance. Unfortunately, despite their best efforts, the medical staff was not able to revive Daniel. Even after Daniel had been pronounced dead, Anna Nicole and Howard frantically continued resuscitation efforts.
Anna Nicole was so distraught at the loss of Daniel that she refused to leave his side and it was necessary to sedate her in order to check her out of the hospital. This step was taken upon the recommendation of Anna Nicole's attending physicians and because of the realization that as soon as Daniel's death became public, worldwide media would descend upon the hospital.
The devastation and grief over Daniel's sudden death, coupled with the sedation, has been so extreme that Anna Nicole experienced memory loss of the event. It was necessary for Howard to tell Anna again that Daniel had passed away.
Anna Nicole, Howard and their close friends are obviously shocked and appalled after experiencing such devastation that they have not been allowed to privately grieve, as they ought to have been able to under these circumstances. They have been relentlessly besieged by cameras at Anna Nicole's home and unfair and intrusive media scrutiny.
Anna Nicole has been informed that a coroner's inquest will be convened to inquire into the circumstances surrounding Daniel's death and she now asks the media and the public to await the outcome of this proceeding before leaping to sensational speculative and unfounded conclusions as to how Daniel died. It is Anna Nicole's wish that this sensational and irresponsible journalism cease immediately out of respect for her privacy.
>>>What happens is...I think people really like a "quiet guy"....the one who looks like the victim. He sorta stays in the background...doesn't have much to say, so he looks innocent. Yep, that's HKS to some...but not us! >>>
He's a passive-aggressive sociopath and the typical liberal would be conned by him because they are a victim of their own feel good nature by wanting to be the 'bigger person'. Maybe I'm not explaining it well.
I think what Wecht said (or meant but didn't want to say i can't remember, but i did hear this interview), was that one of the drugs that were on the list or which she was prescribed was a schizonphrenia drug. That is different than saying she was on it for a period of time, implying that she was a schizophrenic. I think Wecht said it that way on purpose. Trying to fool people into thinking she was on the drug for a period and was a schizophrenic. But of course he uh ummed his way around the bush.
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