Posted on 05/06/2007 8:04:51 PM PDT by null and void
You said — “From your biblical viewpoint? In my father’s house are many mansions, what “bible” are you reading?”
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Well, the first rule in the study of the Bible is to find out who is speaking and to whom He is speaking. He was most specifically speaking to the Jews, and they understood that to be them. And we see from the Bible’s later exposition that he was also speaking of the “promise” that He gave to Abraham, in that from *him* many would gain the promises given to Him. That was to be through Jesus Christ, being — *fully God* and at the same time *fully man* (i.e., born of a woman, being of the human race and being a man).
So, in the expansion from later Scriptures we can also see this to mean all those who are partakers of the salvation that Jesus Christ offers.
Note that Jesus Christ can *only offer salvation* to mankind — specifically and *particurlarly* because he is *of the human race*. He could not offer salvation if he was of any other species. That’s because Jesus Christ takes up the *headship* of the human race, from Adam, who was the previous head of the human race, and who caused the whole human race to be destined to eternal separation from God.
The Bible makes it a very specific point that it was *only* because Jesus was also a *man* (i.e., in the meaning that he was of the *human race*) that He can *ever* perform this duty and responsibility (given to Him from God the Father) to be the “salvation” of the entire human race. That’s why Jesus is referred to the “last Adam” in contrast to the “first Adam” (in the Garden of Eden). Jesus Christ takes over the “headship” of the *human race* in place of the “first Adam” (that the Apostle Paul so well explains).
That means that Jesus has *no ability* to provide salvation for any other alien species or races — if any exists. *Because* He can *only* perform it for the human race, expressly because He’s *human* — that also — and *very specifically* — prohibits Him for doing so for *another race*. It’s an “exclusive” and it’s an “either this/or that”.
And so, in light of who Jesus is, and that He provides salvation exclusively for the human race, and can do so for no other — that means all other alien species are *lost forever* because they have no salvation in Jesus. That pertains to those other “alien species” of the fallen angels — of which there are several classes of angels. They *have no salvation* in Jesus and are permanently and totally lost as a result of their actions. That Bible makes that clear.
So, what are the “many mansions”? Very simply, it’s my house, my Christian neighbor’s house and all the other Christian’s houses — plus I’m guessing that those angels (of several different classes and levels) also have to have their own “mansions” to live in. I don’t think they would appreciate having no place to live. Therefore, Jesus is telling us that He goes to prepare a place for us (keeping in mind who He’s talking to — as He’s talking to His own people and then, generally, to the entire human race, of whom He is the *head of the race*), and then also mentioning that there are going to be the angels (those other alien species that God created) who are going to have their own houses, too.
I don’t know about you, but I’m looking forward to my “new house” and “mansion” that Jesus is creating especially for me. I suspect it will be different than my neighbor’s house, as he probably wants something different in his house than I want in my house.
I hope you’re looking forward to your own mansion. You can do that if you accept Jesus Christ as that Messiah of Israel, who has your salvation in His hands, if only you acknowledge Him and accept Him as your personal Savior. I certainly hope that is true — then you’ll get your own mansion...
You can also look at posts #335 and #339...
You said — “You are a much more patient person than I am. ;-)”
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Ah..., but it’s such an interesting topic, when it dovetails and fits *so well* with the Bible, as God has revealed it all so well to us.
That’s the wonderful thing about all of this, and especially so, as to how it fits in with the idea of UFOs and the so-called “other civilizations” out there....
Anthropomorphic = self centered. Akin to the Flat Earth philosophy : #1 : The earth is flat. #2 : Our people are the most important people on the flat earth(everyone nods). #3 : I am the most important person amoung my people(WELL, my MOTHER thinks so). #4 : Therefore I’m GOD(back to your cradle kid).
Jesus was an in vitro implant into a host mother, Mary. Read it as an alien abduction. There is the documented case of the NH woman, horse breeder by trade, that had 27 pregnancies, no live births. To wit, aliens using human females as breeder rabbits.
In Jesus’ case there is a cosmic PETA group that LOVES us, wants to help us develop to their higher plane of existence. He said he was sent as a missionary and he returned to those alien races as our ambassador, leaving the “porter” behind. That’s his image on the shroud of turin by the way.
As to the crucifiction, it was God the father’s final lesson of self sacrifice = new creation. God was crucified by the 24 elders for his heretical ideas of making something REAL. The murder of Jesus was an echo of that. Review the parable of the seed : unless a seed fall to the ground and die, no new life can come forth. And now it’s may, spring planting season...
That sure is a nice way of saying I surrender, I can't defend my own Biblical perspective.
I hope no one holds you in judgment for running away from the Truth.
Man!! Talk about *being left out* — if I were any other alien race in space, I would be trying to *destroy* these humans...
Sounds like the møøslimbs and the Joooooooooooos, to me. Come to think of it, it sounds like pretty much anyone and the Jews...
I am curious about one point. You said Mankind procreates, yet in Genesis 6 it's pretty clear that at least some Angels procreated as well.
I also respectfully disagree with your reasoning about the rest of the universe not being eligible for salvation. Even for a mere human father with many children, each is special, and he tells each and every one that very thing.
Excellent! The back story of Noah you give is quite plausible.
I’ve never been very fond of the concept of wiping the slate in such a wholesale manner, but at least I can see the reasoning behind it now.
Now, that would all be a very interesting story and one that seems to go right in line with the myths of alien civilizations that have either seeded our world or have come into contact with it and have interacted with it over the centuries. It might even make for a good science fiction story. I’m sure you have some talent there.
The only problem with it? Well..., it’s just not what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has told us. In other words, it’s simply not true.
And the thing about this God (the God of the Bible), is that He’s given us some ample evidence and proofs over the centuries that what’s He’s been telling us, and what He’s had written down the Bible — is true. For all the things that we can and are able to check up on, it’s all be true and verified. That’s been the case with both evidence from archeology and evidence from eye-witness accounts. And it’s *history* — the history of a special people, the Jews — whom God has picked out to be His evidence to the world of who He is.
So, for a good science fiction story, we can surely go to you. But, for an understanding of what the Bible says and what God wants us to know — I don’t think you’ve got a good grasp on that one.
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And by the way, one of the things that Christians realize that is going on with this “alien civilization mythology” — is that they realize that this is a *deception* being perpetrated upon those who *wish to believe it* — instead of believing the truth of what we’ve been given in the Bible from God Himself.
You said — “I’ve never been very fond of the concept of wiping the slate in such a wholesale manner, but at least I can see the reasoning behind it now.”
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You know, I’ve been a Christian for a very long time, and have known (of course) about the world-wide flood from way back when. However, I must admit that it just seemed like a very drastic thing to me. I mean, I know that it happened, I know that God said that there was a long warning to the people (I believe for about 120 years prior to the flood) — but — man, that seemed pretty drastic. But, who was I to say any different?
However, once I really understood the thing about the angels and what happened there, it was like — it *all came together* and then it *made sense*. Now, a *lot of people* are very queasy about this sort of understanding. They just do not like it in the least — not at all. Why? Well, I have a feeling that it’s a pretty scary thought to a lot of people — to think that it’s at all possible and they simply do not like that idea.
And it certainly is a pretty scary thought, about that sort of thing going on, actually. And, I believe that it’s going to be happening once again, just before the time of Christ’s return — which puts a *lot of meaning* into Jesus’ words when He says — as it was in the days of Noah...
Whoah!!
And, look at what I see now..., people claiming to be in contact with certain aliens from other civilizations. What next? They want to come and live among us? What next? Them having “families”? Oh boy!
It sure seems that *someone* is getting the public ready for “alien contact” of some sort. However, it’s not going to the the aliens they think it is....
AND, let me ask this!! What is it about these “aliens” always experimenting with people and doing medical things to them (according to the stories)? What is it that is going on there, in that these details come out as facts? And furthermore, what is it when you hear supposed reports from some people who *claim* to have spoken to aliens that they are *interested in* our genetic makeup? What’s with that? This sounds awfully weird to me.
Could it be that these aliens are trying to “crack the genetic code” so they can do some strange and amazing things to it — or rather, so that they can, themselves, do some fiddling or altering to disguise themselves?
I mean, either these so-called “aliens” are total fabrications and everybody is telling a bunch of “hooey”! Or, there are really alien civilizations and these guys are doing “genetic research”. OR, these are those same kinds of fallen angels, who are making a “final push” for doing something to and against the human race (through “genetics”), before Jesus gets here again.
Now, you can ponder those three possibilities...
And that “genetic code” — that’s an amazing piece of code-work. It’s what preserves every species within its group. It’s what makes us part of mankind and human (along with the soul and spirit of life from God).
If some alien (or angels) want to try and “crack the code” — I don’t think they have the best interests of mankind in doing that. What do they want? To turn mankind into a bunch of slaves and automatons? Who knows...
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Let me give that part of what Jesus said, in regards to Noah and his day —
Matthew 24:
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
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Okay, what’s so darned special about “eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage” — other than it’s *so common*. Nothing at all. So, what is to differentiate this time from all other times.
Well, it’s the time of Noah, for one thing — and one would be expected to know what that means — outside of the context of “eating, drinking, marrying...” Jesus expected the people to know that.
And what is the context that requires the real understanding here? It would be that the angels had come down and polluted the gene pool to the near extinction of “man” (mankind). The people might not understand genetics in that day, but I’m sure they understood “half-breed” and “hybrid” and “not human”.
And other than it being an extremely violent and wicked time, all else was “normal” — in a sense. I guess like today, except that we haven’t seen that angel stuff yet (at least not that I know of... :-) ... )
BUT, here is an interesting aspect of what Jesus says about Himself, in connection with that time of Noah (although He says it elsewhere, too). He calls Himself — “Son of Man”...
And I’ve wondered a lot about why He calls Himself “Son of Man” so much. And then He’s saying it here once again. Well, for one thing, He is emphasized His total humanity — and *that* may be significant in light of what was *happening* in Noah’s day and time. Maybe this is a *contrast* to the “hybrid of angels” — Jesus *is* the “Son of Man”!! — as God intended. And that Jesus is the Savior of “man” and not of “hybrids” — for another.
Furthermore, the term “Son of Man” is not found *in reference to the Messiah* — very many times in the Old Testament. It’s a special term — though — that was recognized by the people of Jesus’ day. They *knew* and fully well understood that Jesus was talking about being the “Messiah of Israel” by using that term “Son of Man”. It was well known (not so well known or understood today, though).
So, where did that term come from, if not used very much in the Old Testament — in reference to the Messiah of Israel? Well, there is one book that is actually *referenced* in the Bible (something is “quoted” in the Bible that comes from another “book”). It’s a book that never made it into the Bible. But, even though it never made it into the Bible, the people of that day knew the book and read the book. We don’t know the book, today, and we don’t read that book, today. So, we don’t know.
But, the “Son of Man” comes almost *exclusively* from that book. It’s the Book of Enoch.
And guess what? The book of Enoch tells all about the angels that came down and cohabited with women and we find out much more to the story from it. The people of the day knew it, they knew what was going on at the time of Noah, Jesus knew it, He knew the people knew it — and He referenced Himself as the “Son of Man” — constantly — in opposition (partly, I believe) to the “hybrids of angels”...., in addition to being a recognized term for the Messiah of Israel.
Why did the book of Enoch not make it into the Bible? Well, there were several variants of the book around and they somewhat disagreed with one another. And if a book was not deemed to be *perfectly reliable* and 100% accurate — it simply was not *recognized* as the Bible. Thus, it never made it into the Bible. But, it’s the closest to being there — without being there... It’s just not part of the inspired canon of Scripture, that’s all.
It is, on the other hand — *instructive* for knowing what the people of that day knew and recognized and what they understood Jesus to mean when He said — “Son of Man”. At least that much one can say.
Reading the book of Enoch will give a very enlightening view of what may have been going on in that day. You might check it out...
You said — “I confess I cringed when I saw the length of your screed. It was pretty good, though.”
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Yeah, I can imagine... LOL
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You asked — “I am curious about one point. You said Mankind procreates, yet in Genesis 6 it’s pretty clear that at least some Angels procreated as well.”
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Yeah, I should have been more precise about that. What you brought up is a good point.
I should have said that angels don’t procreate to extend and expand *their race*. What they end up with, in what they did is get a “hybrid” which is neither angel or man. And in addition to that, it appears that God made angels as *only male* and not female.
In the human race, God made male and female — but, God fashioned Adam *only* as a special creation, and then Eve, as a creation *from Adam* — and not a special and separate creation on her own. Perhaps in more technical terms, if we can even do so, with something that God did — was that He created Eve from the very genetic code and *actual material* straight out of Adam and not of anything from the earth or the elements in the earth. Adam was made out of the earth and its elements. Eve was made *specifically* and *entirely* from Adam.
So, the human race was given two people — male and female to start procreating to “expand” and extend itself. Note that this command to “multiply” was given *before* the Fall in the Garden of Eden. So, that gives another indication that God knew very well, that soon, He would be condemning mankind to *death* for their violation of His simple command and that they would also *need* procreation to even continue to exist into the future.
Angels on the other hand, don’t die. They don’t actually *need* to procreate to extend and expand their own kind. And since they don’t have females, they have *no opportunity* to procreate — even if they wanted to. So, this is a *foreign concept* to them — totally foreign, only understood by human kind.
I can imagine that they *also* want to know all about this “procreation” and what it consists of. And perhaps part of what they did was to also try and find out about — what they knew *absolutely nothing* about.
Thus, angels are always indicated as male, they are said to not be “given in marriage” or “to marrying” in Heaven. But, it does not say that they are incapable of engaging in what procreation consists of. *That* the Bible does *not* say. And since the Bible *does* say that they did engage in these physical acts of union with females of the human race, that clearly means that they are *capable*.
So, angels don’t have to procreate, they are capable of doing so with human females, they are only male (meaning they can’t extend and expand their own race), and they are stepping out of the ordered bounds which God set up, if and when they do so with human females.
Humans are made to procreate, in order to extend and expand the human race. Adam was the first man, a special-made creation of God (out of the earth and its elements), while Eve was a special creation made specifically out of Adam and his genetic make-up, from his own body (and was not the same kind of special creation that Adam was). That’s why Adam is also called a “son of God” (like the angels are called). And humanity *has to procreate* because of the sin condition and the judgement that was pronounced by God — of “death” to everyone. So, procreation is the only way for humanity to survive, with that “judgement from God”. Angels did not have that kind of judgement, nor do they expand their numbers. They are fixed in their numbers, and they don’t die.
And when it comes to the time when those who are saved (have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior) do get their “new bodies”, the immortal ones, which will never die (called glorified bodies, which would be the same kind that Adam and Eve had before they fell into sin and before the judgement from God) — at that time, as Jesus made clear, Himself, there will be no more “marrying” and “given in marriage” any more. That means, no more families or no more extending of the numbers of the human race — just like the angels are now, in that they are “fixed” in numbers and to not procreate.
Since God instituted marriage as a specific and divine institution for the growth of families and the expansion of the human race, it’s pretty clear that if God says (through Jesus telling us) that there will be no more marrying or giving in marriage in Heaven, that there are going to be no more little ones growing up and no more families to raise at that time.
Now, I should qualify that and say that I’m not talking about those people who still live on the earth during the Millennial Reign of Christ (that 1,000 year Kingdom of God on earth). During that time, those people who are still living from this present time frame *will* still have families and will still expand and grow the population. It’s just that those who have already gone to Heaven and have received their glorified bodies will *no longer* do so (according to what Jesus has told us).
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And then you said — “I also respectfully disagree with your reasoning about the rest of the universe not being eligible for salvation. Even for a mere human father with many children, each is special, and he tells each and every one that very thing.”
Well, here’s the thing about salvation. It’s pointed out that it was only by being of the *same kind* as Adam (i.e., totally human) that one could, at all, take over the headship of the human race, and offer to be a Savior for mankind. That’s why Christ is compared to the “first Adam” — as — the “last Adam”.
But, also, the Bible says that if one lives a perfect life, then one could only “save oneself” and not others. It says that a man simply could die for one other man, but not for all men. So, the condition is set up, first that Christ had to be *fully man* to even be considered Savior at all. Then secondly, another condition is set up, in that if Christ was *merely* man (just a man, only) He could only die for “one other person” — but not for an entire race of men and women.
However, it’s pointed out that Jesus Christ was not simply, or “merely” a “man” (though it says being *fully man*) — He was also, of the Trinity — the divine Godhead, and thus composed of “infinity” of the eternal and uncaused and uncreated state of being — of God, Himself.
And in that way, in that “state of being” that being “fully man” He offers salvation for “man”, which He can only do for “man” if He *is* of mankind — while, at the same time — in His infinite nature of being the eternal and uncased “Godhead”, He is able to offer it “infinitely” to *all* of mankind (and not just “one man” — of offering “life for life”). He offers His “life” for the “lives of the many” in His infinite nature.’’
So, that argues strongly for no salvation, outside of anything being “man” — because Jesus Christ *had to become* — man — in order to “save man”.
You see..., there is a matter of “justice” here — that is involved, for why Jesus Christ *had to* be (1) fully man and (2) fully God. First of all, one might think that if God simply would “say so” — that this is all it takes. In other words, God looks at this mess and says, —
“Okay, y’all really messed this whole thing up, so I’m going to say, let’s just forget about everything, let bygones be bygones, and we’ll pretend everything is okay and start off again like nothing ever happened — just because I am God and I say so!”
God can’t do that and — at the same time — not be accused of being “unjust” and maybe “favoritism” to “humans” against “angels” (who are of a different race and they were given no other “chances”. Or perhaps God could be accused of being “capricious” then — and deciding “willy-nilly” whatever He wants at whatever time it is and whatever mood He’s in. That wouldn’t make for a very trustworthy and loving God — but one that you had to constantly fear being on His right side and hopefully on a “good day”, too.
That’s what Satan does, all the time, is *accuse* humanity of *not deserving* salvation and it being “unjust” to even consider giving it to them. So, Satan accuses and accuses and accuses — all the time, pointing out this thing and that thing and this wrong done and that wrong done — to try and show why humanity is simply *not worthy*. And in the “supreme justice” of things, Satan would be right, that humanity is not worthy. But, God ends up showing not only His supreme *justice* in doing what He’s done, but His supreme love and grace, by providing the only *just way* of saving humanity — by *becoming human* in God the Son, Jesus the Messiah of Israel, while also being the infinite God of the Trinity (of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) — thereby not only providing salvation *justly* (and silences any accusation of injustice) but also by *enabling* the salvation of humanity by His *very and specific infinite nature (remember, man can only die for one man, not for *all men*).
Thus God provides the (1) justice, the (2) love, the (3) mercy and the (4) supreme capability, all in one package.
This kind of package is *incapable* of being reproduced for other alien races.
If there are “aliens” out there to be saved, that would mean that the infinite God would “have to become alien” in order to save “any alien”. And since the Godhead consists of only God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — of which God the Father is described as *not a man* (unseen and unknown by all, except as “the Son” reveals Him to us) — and the Holy Spirit is described as only bringing attention to “the Son” (and *never* speaking of Himself, in any circumstances) — and Jesus as “being fully man” — there is *no one else* left to save *any aliens* in this universe...
There *are no Saviors* left for any aliens who are out there. They are goners — if they do exist... Too bad for them (that might be another reason they’re “after us”... LOL...)
Regards,
Star Traveler
NO. That's simply not true. And, there are actually some Some Scriptures which one can use to infer that there is life on other planets. Mostly, God doesn't seem to speak to the issue--certainly not clearly. But EXTRAPOLATIONS can be made.
All creation groans eagerly, expectantly, yearningly for the manifestation of the sons of God. Certainly here we must be talking about ruling and reigning with Christ--though what else that Scripture means is hard to even guess at--except that sin-burdened creation wants delivered--all creation.
And, I believe that the seed of Abraham being as the sands of the sea etc. will be literally proven true. That would logically take more than this planet to support such.
But just rulling and reigning with Christ--I don't think it's going to be over dust bunnies on Zeta-X in Galactic cluster umpty-umph. Ruling and reigning with Christ over countless galaxies and planetc, types of ET's is quite plausible. If all the Christians were going to rule and reign with Christ over this planet--then clearly, there would be far too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
I do not know whether the 90 or so reported ET races dinking around with observing the close of history as we know it on this planet are true ET's or fallen Nephiliam--fallen angels of the sort copulating with human women before Noah's flood--bringing so much of God's hostility on them. IF they are true ET's, I still think that THEY ARE in cahoots with satan toward setting up the world government as Scripture predicts will exist in this END TIMES era and which is clearly all done but implementing more overtly and fully.
Scripture indicates that we shall judge angels. If the angels are in some cases genuine ET's--other races of God-created critters on other planets . . . that would be a very plausible Scripture to be literally fulfilled, indeed.
I have a hard time imagining that all the Christians likely to make Heaven will be sitting around judging all the 2/3 of the angels who did NOT fall with satan. Again, too many chiefs and not enough Indians. I doubt that many ofthose 2/3 UNfallen angels would need that much judging. So, it seems MOST plausible, to me, that when God speaks about our judging angels, He is likely talking about a different class of angels than those messengers in Scripture.
But all this is so much conjecture. Certainly it is provably NOT true that Scripture clearly indicates or even logically infers that there are not other self-aware; Created beings includable under the label of ET--anywhere else in all Creation. Scripture is at best moot to offering some slight ground for inferences and extrapolations.
There is NOTHING in Genesis 1 & 2 which preclude there being Created self-aware; God aware etc. beings on other planets in other galaxies.
Genesis 6:4
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
I read this as relations between Terran wimin and people from outer space.
Rather physical relations for purely spiritual Angels.
This is Biblical Proof that there is life elsewhere in the universe.
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AGREED.
And, those critters angered God before the flood by giving man weapons of warfare.
They are doing the same thing with the globalists in our era.
Thanks for the ping!
You still have a few things to learn. Only when you’ve been persecuted for righteousness will you have a chance at heaven.
It is widely acknowledged that Ezekial is a UFO sighting. So, you ask : Why doesn’t ET live down the street, or in antarctica or somewhere? Simple : this isn’t their environment anymore than the bottom of the ocean or on mars is for YOU.
You see, our bodies are perfectly adapted to THIS biosphere, they are adapted to different biospheres. Yes, they can visit our biosphere just as we can visit the bottom of the ocean or manhatten, but you sure as hell wouldn’t want to LIVE there, yes?
You said — “Only when you’ve been persecuted for righteousness will you have a chance at heaven.”
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Uhhh..., yeah..., right... I hope you don’t do your Christian evangelism that way.
For those who would like to know, the Bible is clear that we don’t just “have a chance” at heaven — we’ve got an *absolute guarantee* of Heaven with Jesus Christ. That’s because He’s provided the way for us, as a *free gift*. All we have to do is accept that, by our acknowledgement and acceptance of Christ as our personal Savior...
We see in Romans how simple the Gospel is, that is the Gospel that saves and guarantees us entrance into Heaven to be with Jesus Christ, forevermore...
Romans 10:9-10, says —
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
It’s just that simple and that guaranteed for anyone who chooses Jesus Christ as their Savior...
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The Apostle Paul says this about the Gospel...
1 Corinthian 15:1-11
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.
7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.
8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
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And there you have it. I hope you present *this* to people for your message of Jesus Christ from now on...
Regards,
Star Traveler
So you think that God would give the creation of the heavens secondary mention, much less importance than the animals on earth and that somehow there could be completely unmentioned life on planets around said stars that are somehow more significant than earth's animals? Can you tell me why God made these intelligent creatures that were not worthy of mention in His Word and placed them around distant stars that we will never visit?
I spend a lot of time debating against Marianism. RCs use extrapolation and reason and most of all, a very strong desire to have the doctrines they want, to support their Marianism. Can't you see that this is the same thing?
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