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Boy, 12, with toy gun shot, killed by police
Arkansas Democrat Gazette ^ | 24 JUN 07 | Jacob Quinn

Posted on 06/24/2007 9:03:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1

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What happened to the days where 12 year olds were supposed to come home, clean up, and eat dinner with the family when the street lights turned on?
1 posted on 06/24/2007 9:03:52 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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I agree. It is tragic but why was he running the streets at 10pm.


2 posted on 06/24/2007 9:06:42 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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Prayers up for the family and the cop.....just damn.


3 posted on 06/24/2007 9:06:55 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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What happened to the days where 12 year olds were supposed to come home, clean up, and eat dinner with the family when the street lights turned on?

You're joking, right?

4 posted on 06/24/2007 9:09:47 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: svcw
why was he running the streets at 10pm.

Because 12 year old kids should be allowed to enjoy themselves? This wasn't "the streets" ... it's an apartment complex parking lot. What you said - "running the streets" - clearly implies the kid was doing something wrong, but all evidence from the story suggests he was just horsing around with his cousin.

I'm sure if this had been a nice suburban neighborhood and the kid's name was Kevin, you'd be outraged that the police shot him, even at 10 p.m.

5 posted on 06/24/2007 9:18:34 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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You sir are an ass.
I never implied, you however inferred that I meant he was doing something wrong.
He was 12 and it was 10pm, why wasn’t he home with his family?

I am pretty sure I used the phrase “tragic”. It is a horrible price to pay for this young man, yet it does not answer the question why was he out at 10pm? Where was his family?


6 posted on 06/24/2007 9:30:48 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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Because 12 year old kids should be allowed to enjoy themselves?

"ENJOY themselves"?!! by running from cops and pointing guns (later found to be fake) at cops?

Sure sounds like you are a couple of fries short of a happy meal.

7 posted on 06/24/2007 9:35:08 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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Because 12 year old kids should be allowed to enjoy themselves?

"ENJOY themselves"?!! by running from cops and pointing guns (later found to be fake) at cops?

Sure sounds like you are a couple of fries short of a happy meal.

Opps..Sorry svcw....

8 posted on 06/24/2007 9:36:06 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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Glad for the oops..I was going to let you have it ;-).


9 posted on 06/24/2007 9:40:22 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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Nonsense! Why, when I was 12 years old we used to run around at 10pm pointing realistic-looking guns at cops on stakeouts all the time! They just chuckled and said, “Kids...” (/sarc)


10 posted on 06/24/2007 9:48:27 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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by running from cops and pointing guns (later found to be fake) at cops?

Did you read the story? They weren't running from cops and pointing guns. They were horsing around in an apartment complex parking lot, one of them had a toy gun. The cops jumped out of their car and drew down on two kids who were playing ... playing, not pointing toy guns at the cops or running from the cops ...

I'm not faulting the cops, necessarily, but to criticize this kid or his family because he was outside playing is foolish.

12 years old is not too young to be outside playing at 10 p.m. on a Friday night in the summer when you're spending the night at your cousin's house.

Read the story, it doesn't support your claim that they were "running from cops and pointing guns"

Kids play with toy guns, they yell when they're outside. There's nothing wrong with it ... unless you're one of those who thinks toy guns should be banned.

11 posted on 06/24/2007 9:53:20 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: svcw
You sir are an ass.

Maybe, but on the forum we're supposed to stay away from personal attacks, so I won't tell you what you are.

I never implied, you however inferred that I meant he was doing something wrong.

"Running the streets" has the implication that the kids were doing something wrong. Argue against it all day, but it does.

yet it does not answer the question why was he out at 10pm? Where was his family?

10 p.m. is not too late for a 12 year old to be outside playing with his cousin on a Friday in the summer. Either you don't have kids this age or your kids think you're an ass.

12 posted on 06/24/2007 9:56:44 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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That's tragic. Poor kid. He paid a terrible price for ignoring the police officer's orders. Prayers up for the boy's loved ones and for the officer's and their loved ones.

Jesse Jackson is probably already on the way to Arkansas. The reason I say that is because he got thrown into jail in Chicago yesterday while he was protesting outside of a gun store. They were protesting that 35 school kids have been killed by guns since the first of the year. This will be a good chance for him to further his anti gun agenda!

13 posted on 06/24/2007 9:59:08 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: svcw; glock rocks; Brad's Gramma

Three days ago I called the local PD line to ask if childrens handguns today had magazines that go in the handle such as a Glock 17 or a SIG-Sauer P226 does. The dispatcher didn’t know. So I asked her to send an officer around because I had some youngsters about 10 or 12 playing with such a toy or maybe a weapon on the street. He was showing it to some other kids and I had no idea what their intentions were. One black gun and four young kids is what I saw.

Nobody was wearing a visible holster like we did when I used to play cowboys and indians with Moses and that gang who later built the Ark.

Fifteen minutes later a cop came by and I explained what I’d seen. He said it was probably an Airsoft, whatever that is, but he’d go locate the kid and check it out. Sure enough that’s what it was but from 50 feet away I couldn’t tell the difference.

If my wife had been out in front of the house I would have sent her inside immediately because of my lack of ability to determine what it was the kid had, a weapon or a toy. If the kid had aimed it at her back as she was walkiing towards the house, I hate to think what the results would have been.


14 posted on 06/24/2007 10:05:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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Once again, you inferred I meant he was doing something wrong.

I disagree, that 10pm is not to late for a child to be out running around.

I have lots of kids, but I do wonder about your children and their behavior as well as their safety.

As a side note, I would not view ass as a personal attach just a statement of fact.


15 posted on 06/24/2007 10:08:04 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: DCBryan1

If it was to dark for the officer to see the child. Would that be a Black on Black crime?


16 posted on 06/24/2007 10:08:41 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (You "abort" bad missile launches and carrier landings. Not babies.)
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To: svcw; eyespysomething
Once again, you inferred I meant he was doing something wrong.

What does "running the streets" mean? If his cousin lives in an apartment complex, the parking lot is the kid's front yard.

I disagree, that 10pm is not to late for a child to be out running around.

Friday night in the summer, 12 yrs old, and you think 10 p.m. is too late to be outside?

I do wonder about your children and their behavior as well as their safety.

My children are very well behaved and plenty safe, so don't worry.

As a side note, I would not view ass as a personal attach just a statement of fact.

Fine, then you're an ass.

17 posted on 06/24/2007 10:19:44 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder

Now we are getting somewhere.


18 posted on 06/24/2007 10:23:33 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: B4Ranch

The Airsoft guns are replicas of real guns. Some are black, and other than the orange tip at the end are completely indistinguishable from a real gun. They have magazines just like real guns.

My kids have the clear plastic airsoft guns. One of them has a replica of a gun I own. I held the airsoft up to my gun and it is identical in size.

We won’t get them the black guns simply because they look so much like real guns. The clear ones, even from a distance, shouldn’t confuse anyone.

Do a google image search for airsoft and you’ll be astonished by how real they look.


19 posted on 06/24/2007 10:24:13 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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Now we are getting somewhere.

LOL ... I knew we'd come to an agreement ;-)

20 posted on 06/24/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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