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P-51A Crash at Oshkosh on Friday - One killed
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Posted on 07/28/2007 4:16:57 PM PDT by BRL

http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f149c4d

I have not seen this posted. Two P-51's crashed at oshkosh yesterday. One pilot killed.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: airshow; airshowoshkosh; planecrash
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I have not seen posted here. Should be of general interest to aviation folks.
1 posted on 07/28/2007 4:16:58 PM PDT by BRL
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To: BRL
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2 posted on 07/28/2007 4:19:28 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: BRL
Wahpeton man killed after planes collide at air show
3 posted on 07/28/2007 4:23:27 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: bmwcyle

Very very sad.
I was in Dayton today and watched one of the finest stunt pilots I’ve ever had the honor to watch perform, die in his Pitts. He put on a great show in the morning, but lost it in the first minute or two of the afternoon show. Either there was a serious mechanical failure, or he simply misjudged the ground coming up on him, I can’t be sure... It was very hard to watch this happen. This has been a very sad day for me. Jim LeRoy was a great pilot, watching this crash right in front of me was horrifying to say the least, and I’m quite shaken up by it. My prayers are with his family, and I hope you will all remember him in your prayers as well.


4 posted on 07/28/2007 4:27:18 PM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: BRL
When the military flew P-51s, was it common to do a formation landing? Takes offs, sure, but landings? I've also read that the A model is very difficult to see out of. I would think that is especially true during landing.

Prayers to Gerry Beck's family and friends. He was an irreplaceable, driving force in the warbird community.

More info here.

5 posted on 07/28/2007 4:31:41 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Aviation Ping.


6 posted on 07/28/2007 4:33:57 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: GBA

This makes absolutely no sense to have these planes in the same vicinity much less trying to land next to each other. This is just beyond stupid. The p51B Pilot exploded in flames and for what? who the hell is worth impressing to end up like that? His family has to see that?

My word that is just terrible.


7 posted on 07/28/2007 4:47:48 PM PDT by PanzerDeutscheschafferhund
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To: PanzerDeutscheschafferhund

You sir IMHO are a bone head


8 posted on 07/28/2007 5:28:49 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

He may not be the only one who thinks what they were doing was not worth the risk, whether you liking hearing this or not.


9 posted on 07/28/2007 5:46:14 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD -"What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: al baby

I don’t think he’s a bonehead.

I have a Commercial certificate with multiengine and instrument ratings and I’m a former Certified Instrument Flight Instructor ans Part 135 pilot and airshow crashes are just awful considering that most people take a marginal, or at least a badly misinformed view of aviation and the feds barely resist temptation to regulate and tax general aviation (non-airline and non-military aviation) out of existence anyway.

One part of me says that the man killed was doing what he loved and was generous to share a beautiful part of history in his P-51. Another part agrees that it is horrifying to take that kind of risk with family and children around.

Oshkosh is the most wonderful experience in the aviation world, in a time where the allure of spaceflight and aviation are largely lost on Americans anymore. I was there last year when there was a taxiway fatality and now a fatality this year. What’s needed are some adjustments so we don’t risk losing this wonderful event and so that aviation maintains the aura of a safety record that is the envyy of the world.


10 posted on 07/28/2007 7:35:17 PM PDT by CatholicEagle
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To: PanzerDeutscheschafferhund

re: post 7

I agree. It sucks that a pilot died and another injured...and two priceless machines destroyed for what?
A photo-op?


11 posted on 07/28/2007 8:21:28 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death; PanzerDeutscheschafferhund

I’m confused. Are you advocating banning dangerous spectator sports?


12 posted on 07/28/2007 8:24:48 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix

Nope, although I’m not really sure what a “spectator sport” is....my fave sport is motorcycle roadracing.
Sport implies competition.

Are aerobatics considered a competition? Or would a better description be “performance art”? I’m not the one to ask as I’ve only been to a few air shows and do not know how one is “judged” or if one aerobatic performer competes against another for points....etc...

Fly-by’s of old military craft are more “performance art”.

At some point safety should be taken into consideration. Would the photo-op / landing have been any less fantastic to watch if the two vintage planes were 200 feet apart?

It certainly seems a bit too risky to both irreplaceable man and machine if there were no competition taking place.....kinda like taking two multi-million dollar vintage GP bikes out on a parade lap at Daytona and screwing them into the wall at 200 mph. Pointless.


13 posted on 07/28/2007 8:52:46 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
"Sport implies competition."

It implies play or recreation.

"At some point safety should be taken into consideration."

There are safety rules governing aeronautics.

"Pointless"

To whom? Famed Alpinist George Mallory was once asked: "Why do you climb this mountain?" His answer has been the climbers' answer ever since: "Because it's there."

14 posted on 07/28/2007 9:03:39 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix
I think "pilot error" is a factor, but "pilot judgment" is the real culprit. A formation landing of two dissimilar aircraft wasn't a very good idea, though it probably seemed that way at the time. Hopefully, all of those who fly these treasures will be extra vigilant from now on.

The loss of man and machine is tragic, but to ban these machines from flight, to lock them away in museums would be equally tragic, human error compounded.

I am willing to bet that the people who fly and maintain and restore these historical aircraft would not want them locked away. If you've ever heard a Merlin fired up or listened to a big radial taxiing by or heard them both in a formation fly by, then you probably want the next generation to experience that same thing.

15 posted on 07/28/2007 9:16:28 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: GBA

....same with a vintage TZ-750 howling around the high banks at Pocono at 185 mph....a mesmerizing cacophony that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck. No way to describe it to anyone who’s never heard it.
My point is that the officials may want to revisit and make some adjustments to protocol while flying in “non competition” mode. JMO


16 posted on 07/28/2007 9:26:53 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: FunkyZero; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Dog; Molly Pitcher; lysie; Jemian; Borax Queen
I was at the EAA on Friday and saw this accident.

The woman interviewed nailed it.

I won't ever forget this, as much as I would like to at this point.

Blessings and prayers to the families.

17 posted on 07/29/2007 7:40:56 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: CatholicEagle
It was a heart wrenching day.

I was impressed with the EAA handled the entire situation.

The integrity of the accident scene was never compromised for the sake of the air show.

18 posted on 07/29/2007 7:44:18 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee
I am so sorry you, like the others, had to witness such a tragedy.

Will definitely pray for the repose of the pilot's soul.

19 posted on 07/29/2007 3:11:11 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: CatholicEagle
What’s needed are some adjustments so we don’t risk losing this
wonderful event and so that aviation maintains the aura of a safety
record that is the envyy of the world.


Yes. And running out of flyable original WWII warbirds.

When these national treasures crash and burn, I just about scream.
The only thing worse is when a pilot is harmed/killed as well.
20 posted on 07/29/2007 3:21:08 PM PDT by VOA
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