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Suspect Pleads Not Guilty in New Jersey Students' Execution-Style Deaths
Fox News ^ | 08-10-07

Posted on 08/10/2007 7:41:20 AM PDT by navysealdad

NEWARK, N.J. — A Peruvian national in the U.S. illegally and who was previously charged with raping a 5-year-old pleaded not guilty Friday in the execution-style slayings of three young college students a day after surrendering to Mayor Cory Booker.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; carranza; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; newark; newjersey; williehortonmoment
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1 posted on 08/10/2007 7:41:22 AM PDT by navysealdad
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To: navysealdad

pleaded not guilty Friday


2 posted on 08/10/2007 7:42:47 AM PDT by navysealdad
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To: navysealdad

The slayings were a day after he surrendered????


3 posted on 08/10/2007 7:43:50 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (A man has only 1 escape from his old self: to see a different self in the mirror of his woman's eyes)
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To: Shimmer128

He surrendered yesterday, arraigned today. Author of the story was as clear as mud on timeline.


4 posted on 08/10/2007 7:45:53 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: navysealdad

“previously charged with raping a 5-year-old”

What happened in this case? Why is he even out?


5 posted on 08/10/2007 7:46:19 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: navysealdad

Just doing the raping and killing that Americans won’t do.


6 posted on 08/10/2007 7:47:14 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: edcoil

Why is he even alive?


7 posted on 08/10/2007 7:47:29 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: navysealdad
FOX News has learned Carranza, who has a fake Social Security number, had been arrested on charges of raping a 5-year-old and then threatening the child and parents. In that case he faced a 31-count indictment.
In another, he was arrested on assault charges stemming from a bar fight.
Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza's illegal status since his prior arrests,


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8 posted on 08/10/2007 7:48:45 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: edcoil
“previously charged with raping a 5-year-old”

What happened in this case? Why is he even out?

He posted 15k bail on a $150k bond on raping a 5 year old. That is as outrageous as still sharing the same air as me.

9 posted on 08/10/2007 7:49:24 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: edcoil
“previously charged with raping a 5-year-old”

What happened in this case? Why is he even out?

He posted 15k bail on a $150k bond on raping a 5 year old. That is as outrageous as still sharing the same air as me.

10 posted on 08/10/2007 7:49:25 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: metmom

Can the victims families SUE the US Government for NOT doing its job? Or Immigration? This has GOT TO STOP.


11 posted on 08/10/2007 7:50:16 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: navysealdad

Who do we hang for allowing this illegal bastard, who after raping a five year old, was allowed to remain in the country so he could go on and murder three innocent American kids? Why the hell wasn’t he deported? This is President Bush’s responsibility. He should be ashamed of this and of American lives lost to Mexican drunks, American lives destroyed by illegal drugs brought across a border he completely refuses to defend even in a time of war. All in the name of cheap labor. Other than the war aspect I cannot stand this man any longer.

Regards


12 posted on 08/10/2007 7:50:35 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: lightingguy

ping - Peruvian illegal.


13 posted on 08/10/2007 7:50:51 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Blue Turtle

FOX News has learned Carranza, who has a fake Social Security number, had been arrested on charges of raping a 5-year-old and then threatening the child and parents. In that case he faced a 31-count indictment.

In another, he was arrested on assault charges stemming from a bar fight.

Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza’s illegal status since his prior arrests, according to Essex County Sheriff Armando Fontoura.


14 posted on 08/10/2007 7:50:59 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: edcoil
What happened in this case? Why is he even out?

The victim was the child of a girlfriend of his. My guess is that the girlfriend and child did not assist the prosecutor adequately in putting together the case.

According to other articles, this individual is commonly in the company of adolescent and preadolescent boys whom he buys beer, cigarettes and dope for.

My guess is that his attorney will claim that he had no idea his youthful companion was going to do anything more than intimidate the victims - that he was as surprised as anyone when his accomplice started shooting and that he feared for his own life.

15 posted on 08/10/2007 7:51:42 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: agrace

He’s from Ecuador.


16 posted on 08/10/2007 7:52:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: navysealdad

It’s ACLU time for sure!


17 posted on 08/10/2007 7:52:48 AM PDT by Old Phone Man (ks)
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To: ARE SOLE
Didn’t the Senate defeat a bill to deport illegal aliens who commit violent crimes? Now the House and Senate are busy as bees to push amnesty in the form of the Dream Act.
18 posted on 08/10/2007 7:53:25 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: wideawake

The first line of the article says Peru.


19 posted on 08/10/2007 7:53:36 AM PDT by agrace
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To: ARE SOLE
This is President Bush’s responsibility.

You're right. President Bush has plenary authority over the Essex County legal system and he administers it directly from his secret New Jersey Situation Room in the White House basement.

20 posted on 08/10/2007 7:54:13 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Old Phone Man

Again I ask, why can’t the victims families sue the US GOVERNMENT for NOT DOING THEIR JOBS?? Their incompetence on this issue and enforcing existing laws because of political correctness is a disgrace. And why are the AMerican people tolerating this? Why are we allowing victims families to be pulled through a long, letigious process?? Where is their justice?


21 posted on 08/10/2007 7:55:17 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: agrace

The NY Post today says that he is an Ecuadorian national. They are in touch with Mayor Booker’s office and likely have more specific info.


22 posted on 08/10/2007 7:56:32 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
You're right. President Bush has plenary authority over the Essex County legal system and he administers it directly from his secret New Jersey Situation Room in the White House basement.

Yeah I forgot, the Essex County legal system is in charge of the nations borders, silly me.

Regards

23 posted on 08/10/2007 7:56:53 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: ARE SOLE
Yeah I forgot, the Essex County legal system is in charge of the nations borders, silly me.

Anyone besides suspected terrorists on the no-fly list can fly into the United States. You don't know if the visitor is truly a visitor or if they are intending to overstay a visa and live in the US illegally. The President cannot read the minds of every foreign national.

Essex County was the government that discovered he was not just a visitor, but an illegal resident of this country. They did not approach the INS to identify him and initiate deportation proceedings.

24 posted on 08/10/2007 8:00:54 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
From the article:

Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza's illegal status since his prior arrests, according to Essex County Sheriff Armando Fontoura

25 posted on 08/10/2007 8:05:15 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: free me
Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza's illegal status since his prior arrests, according to Essex County Sheriff Armando Fontoura

An Essex County employee saying that it was the INS and not Essex County that screwed up.

I wonder if the INS has a different take on the situation?

26 posted on 08/10/2007 8:07:38 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: navysealdad

FNC was implying he had a physical relationship with the 15 year old also arrested.

Since this is an illegal alien, this story is going to be burried now.


27 posted on 08/10/2007 8:09:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: wideawake
I wonder if the INS has a different take on the situation?

I forget, who is in charge of ICE?

28 posted on 08/10/2007 8:09:30 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: Phantom Lord

Well said.


29 posted on 08/10/2007 8:17:28 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ARE SOLE

No bail for illegals. They should all stay in jail until their court date, as an unbendable rule.


30 posted on 08/10/2007 8:17:37 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: metmom

Its New Jersey.

He’ll probably wind up with a college degree in law while he’s in jail.

MUCHOS GRACIAS JORGE EL SEGUNDO. One more time!!!!!


31 posted on 08/10/2007 8:18:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: navysealdad
Jorge Arbusto has facilitated the murder of three more Americans by Terrorists.

32 posted on 08/10/2007 8:21:54 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: kinoxi

“Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza’s illegal status since his prior arrests,”

If possible, families of these victims ought to file suit. In fact, they ought to join in with ALL the American families of victims of illegal aliens. We must find a way to force our government to do it’s job.


33 posted on 08/10/2007 8:22:15 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: wideawake

“You’re right. President Bush has plenary authority over the Essex County legal system and he administers it directly from his secret New Jersey Situation Room in the White House basement.”

For a minute there I thought you were making excuses for Open Borders Bush.


34 posted on 08/10/2007 8:27:01 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Jack Black
No bail for illegals. They should all stay in jail until their court date, as an unbendable rule.

Agreed, then once they do the time a swift kick in the arse back to their Shiitehole of origin.

Regards

35 posted on 08/10/2007 8:27:46 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: navysealdad

Fox News Report...General/Chat...why is that?


36 posted on 08/10/2007 8:28:25 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG

Shouldn’t this be in “breaking news”?


37 posted on 08/10/2007 8:30:22 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: khnyny

“Shouldn’t this be in “breaking news”?”

So far, I’ve found three threads relating to this horrific incident, and all three are under General/Chat???

Maybe it’s just a fluke?


38 posted on 08/10/2007 8:33:32 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: Kimberly GG

Perhaps it’s at the discretion of the “mod” where the story is posted, I dunno. Seems a little strange.


39 posted on 08/10/2007 8:35:42 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: khnyny; All

40 posted on 08/10/2007 8:37:51 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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cute, lol...maybe someone who knows how to *ping* a moderator will ask this question directly ;) I’m curious to know the reasoning behind it.


41 posted on 08/10/2007 8:39:53 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (..."work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship"... - Fred Thompson, 2006)
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To: kinoxi

Re: had been arrested on charges of raping a 5-year-old and then threatening the child and parents. In that case he faced a 31-count indictment.

There are places in the world where people like this get beaten by the public without any repurcussions by legal authorities......sometimes I think we are much too civilized.

If he is guilty, an indictment is nothing if he is still walking the streets.


42 posted on 08/10/2007 8:40:11 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Kimberly GG

I don’t think it would do any good. I added the key words to this post so that people could actually find it, lol.


43 posted on 08/10/2007 8:44:27 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: wideawake
You wrote:

They did not approach the INS to identify him and initiate deportation proceedings.

You have no evidence to support this statement. I pointed out to you evidence directly rejecting this statement.

I find sticking to facts makes for a better discussion.

44 posted on 08/10/2007 8:49:51 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: navysealdad

Every immigration official who knew that this piece of human debris was here illegally and did nothing about it is complicit in these three murders. Every one of them should be fired immediately. That might give some incentive for the lackadaisical immigration officers to get off their butts and start protecting the public from these criminal illegals.


45 posted on 08/10/2007 8:55:13 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: navysealdad
Maybe we can have tea while we all Chat about a Peruvian illegal killing Americans!?!/s
46 posted on 08/10/2007 8:58:09 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: free me
I pointed out to you evidence directly rejecting this statement.

Someone saying that the immigration authorities were "apparently aware" of this individual does not directly reject the statement - this manner of talk is oblique, not direct.

47 posted on 08/10/2007 9:08:05 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: ARE SOLE
Who do we hang for allowing this illegal bastard, who after raping a five year old, was allowed to remain in the country so he could go on and murder three innocent American kids? Why the hell wasn’t he deported? This is President Bush’s responsibility.

Very prudent of you to put an intervening sentence before your third sentence where you identify the culprit! [grin]

48 posted on 08/10/2007 9:15:52 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: Blue Turtle
Again I ask, why can’t the victims families sue the US GOVERNMENT for NOT DOING THEIR JOBS??

I'm not a lawyer, but the problem might be sovereign immunity. The government is immune from liability except in those situations where Congress has agreed it will be liable. Also, govt agencies probably have discretion about enforcing laws and setting priorities. I think all this contributes mightily to their smugness.

Maybe someone who understands the law could chime in.

49 posted on 08/10/2007 9:18:50 AM PDT by freespirited (Thank you for not lying about Republicans.)
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To: Admin Moderator
The headline on this story is, properly, the one from the actual page on which it appears.

But FOX headlines it on their FRONT page as "Suspect in Student Killings Is Illegal, Charged in Rape".

It might be nice to add the frontpage headline, if it is not too long, especially since it is the one that has the juice.

I suspect that searching on the wrong headline was the reason for the duplicate threads.

50 posted on 08/10/2007 9:19:54 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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