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Bush doesn't deny plans for N. American Union (more tinfoil)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | August 21, 2007 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 08/22/2007 7:28:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MONTEBELLO, Quebec – President Bush today sidestepped a direct question about whether he'd be willing to categorically deny there is a plan to create the North American Union.

Instead, he ridiculed those who believe that is taking place as conspiracy theorists.

The exchange came at a news conference held by Bush, Mexico's President Felipe Calderon, and Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who met at a resort in the rural woods outside of Ottawa, Quebec, to discuss their latest work on the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

After the trio presented their prepared statement about the SPP, several reporters who had been selected in advance were allowed to ask questions.

When it came time for a question from a Fox News reporter, Bush was asked if he would be willing to categorically deny that there is a plan to create a North American Union, or that there are plans to create NAFTA Superhighways.

"As you three leaders meet here, there are a growing number of people in each of your countries who have expressed concern about the Security and Prosperity Partnership. This is addressed to all three of you. Can you say today that this is not a prelude to a North American Union, similar to a European Union? Are there plans to build some kind of superhighway connecting all three countries? And do you believe all of these theories about a possible erosion of national identity stem from a lack of transparency from this partnership?" was the question, according to a White House transcript.

Reporters at the news conference said he sidestepped, instead adopting the tactic that those who are arguing the European Union model of integrating nations into a larger continental union is being used in North America should be ridiculed.

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1 posted on 08/22/2007 7:28:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A straight answer would have been preferable to ridicule. Now the rumors won’t die.


2 posted on 08/22/2007 7:30:22 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: TexasRepublic

“Now the rumors won’t die.”

Please point to ONE conspiracy theory that has EVER died.


3 posted on 08/22/2007 7:32:02 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The tinfoil hat wearers on the right are even more ridiculous than those on the left.

These people seem to thing ignorance is a virtue.
4 posted on 08/22/2007 7:32:52 AM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: elizabetty

oops. Thing = think


5 posted on 08/22/2007 7:33:17 AM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

6 posted on 08/22/2007 7:33:44 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by puffing his cigar and staring real hard)
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To: L98Fiero
Please point to ONE conspiracy theory that has EVER died.

Conspiracy theories abound because conspiracies really happen. Not every theory turns out to be a real conspiracy, but some of them do.

7 posted on 08/22/2007 7:34:11 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

OK, the World Nut Daily says he sidestepped the question. The Washington Times says he denied a union. Which one ya gonna believe?


8 posted on 08/22/2007 7:35:17 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: L98Fiero
Please point to ONE conspiracy theory that has EVER died.

They CAN'T die, because there are too many people behind them................

9 posted on 08/22/2007 7:35:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: TChris

...and there are even conspiracies that don’t have rumors!!!


10 posted on 08/22/2007 7:35:57 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is too much evidence that something is going on for it to die. A “North American Union”, maybe or maybe not. Certainly giant corporations are forming a “public private partnership” to loot the American (all three nations) people into spending on infrastructure and altering public policy (without the legislature’s involvement) that will benefit the giant companies first rather than the citizens first.


11 posted on 08/22/2007 7:38:00 AM PDT by Hail Spode
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

12 posted on 08/22/2007 7:38:38 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Hail Spode

If they didn’t sneak around like cowards the conspiracy theorists would be proven wrong.


13 posted on 08/22/2007 7:39:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Roswell baby, Roswell!

The aliens want to eventually have a one world union before the invasion. I fear for my great grand children.

14 posted on 08/22/2007 7:40:28 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

‘’Racist Paranoids’’ - Jorge


15 posted on 08/22/2007 7:41:55 AM PDT by Lexington Green (There ain't no news in the news no more.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I also noticed he didn’t deny that he’s the Anti-Christ.


16 posted on 08/22/2007 7:42:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Red Badger

So many pro-illegal, open borders Bushbots, so little time....

Timeline/Progress
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=VIV20061220&articleId=4216

Links to state legislative initiatives
OPPOSING THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION
As of 4/8/07

Alabama: Senate Resolution 30 - “Opposing any effort to implement a trinational political governmental entity among the United States, Canada, and Mexico; opposing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and initiatives pursued in conjunction with the partnership that threaten the sovereignty of the United States; opposing a North American Union; and opposing the North American Free Trade Agreement superhighway system.”

Go to the Alabama Legislative Information System Online

Arizona: Senate Concurrent Memorial 1002 - “Urging the Congress of the United States to withdraw the United States from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks to create a North American Union.”
Bill status

Georgia: Senate Resolution 124 - “Urging the United States Congress to withdraw the United States from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and from any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks the economic merger of the United States with any other country; and for other purposes.”

Hawaii: Senate Resolution 60 and Senate Concurrent Resolution 96 - “Requesting the United States Congress and the Congressional Delegation from the state of Hawaii to us all their efforts, energies, and abilities to withdraw the United States from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, and withdraw from and avoid participation in any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks to advance, authorize, fund, or in any way promote continental integration or the creation of a North American Union.”

Idaho: House Joint Memorial 5 - “Stating findings of the Legislature and urging Congress to use all efforts, energies and diligence to withdraw the United States from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America or any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks to advance, authorize, fund or in any way promote the creation of any structure to create any form of North American Union.”

Illinois:House Joint Resolution 29 - “Urges the U.S. Congress, and especially the legislative delegation to the U.S. Congress from the State of Illinois, to withdraw the U.S. from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”
Bill status

Missouri: Senate Concurrent Resolution 15 - “Urges Congress to withdraw the United States from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other multilateral activity which seeks to advance the creation of the North America Union.”

House Concurrent Resolution 33 - “Urges Congress to use all of its efforts, energies, and diligence to withdraw the United States from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”

Montana:House Joint Resolution 25 - “A Joint Resolution of the Senate and the House of Representatives of the state of Montana opposing any effort to implement a trinational political, gvernmental entity among the United States, Canada, and Mexico; opposing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and initiatives prsued in conjunction with the partnership that threaten the sovereignty of the United States; opposing a North American Union; and opposing the North American Free Trade Agreement superhighway system”
Bill status

Oklahoma: Senate Concurrent Resolution 10 - “Urging the United States to withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other activity which seeks to create a North American Union; and directing distribution.”
Bill status: go to the Oklahoma Legislature “Bill Search Form” and enter “SCR 10” into the “Measure Number(s) window.

Oregon: Senate Joint Memorial 5 - “Urges Congress to withdraw United States from Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and other activities that advance creation of North American Union.”

South Carolina: House Concurrent Resolution 3185 - “Requesting the Congress of the United States to withdraw the United States from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other activity that seeks to create a North American Union, and requesting the Congressional Delegation of South Carolina to work to withdraw the United States from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other activity that seeks to create a North American Union.”

If you have any problems with the above link, you can find bill at the SC legislature (enter search term “H 3185”)

South Dakota:Senate Concurrent Resolution 7 - “Urging that the United States withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks to create a North American Union.”
Bill status

Tennessee: Senate Joint Resolution 0088 - “A Resolution relative to withdrawing the United States from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and from any other bilateral or multilateral activity that seeks the economic merger of the United States with any other country.”
Bill status: Go to the Tennessee Legislature website, click on “Legislation” and enter “SJR0088” into the “Bill Number to Look Up” window.

Utah: House Joint Resolution 7 - “Urging United States Withdrawal from Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”
Bill status

Virginia:Senate Joint Resolution 442 - “Memorializing the Congress to oppose implementation of the NAFTA Superhighway System and the creation of a North American Union. Calls on Congress to take such constitutional action as may be necessary to prevent the executive branch of the federal government from unilateral action in implementing the NAFTA Superhighway System and the creation of a North American Union.”

Also see: NAFTA Superhighway System and creation of North American Union; memorializing Congress to oppose implementation thereof. SJR 387

Washington: Senate Joint Memorial 8004 and House Joint Memorial 4018 - “Requesting the withdrawal of the United States from participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”

H. CON. RES. 40
110th CONGRESS, 1st Session
Introduced January 22, 2007 in the House of Representatives
“Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.”

Bill sponsor:
Virgil H. Goode, Jr. [VA-5]

Co-sponsors:

Representatives:
Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 1/22/07
Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 1/22/07
Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 1/22/07
Paul, Ron [TX-14] - 1/22/07
Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 1/22/07
Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 1/22/07
Norwood, Charles W. [GA-10]-1/30/07
Saxton, Jim [NJ-3] - 2/8/07
Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] - 2/8/07
Regula, Ralph [OH-16]-2/8/07
Cubin, Barbara [WY]-2/16/07
Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6]-2/16/07
Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 2/27/07
McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11]-2/27/07
Davis, David [TN-1] - 3/1/07
Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] - 3/1/07


17 posted on 08/22/2007 7:42:57 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: TexasRepublic

Bush’s answer was:

“We represent three great nations. We each respect each other’s sovereignty. You know, there are some who would like to frighten our fellow citizens into believing that relations between us are harmful for our respective peoples. I just believe they’re wrong. I believe it’s in our interest to trade; I believe it’s in our interest to dialogue; I believe it’s in our interest to work out common problems for the good of our people.

“And I’m amused by some of the speculation, some of the old – you can call them political scare tactics. If you’ve been in politics as long as I have, you get used to that kind of technique where you lay out a conspiracy and then force people to try to prove it doesn’t exist. That’s just the way some people operate. I’m here representing my nation. I feel strongly that the United States is a force for good, and I feel strongly that by working with our neighbors we can a stronger force for good.

“So I appreciate that question. I’m amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and what some are trying to say takes place. It’s quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about.”

So the answer is: “Maybe, maybe not. Wait to see what Clintoon II does”


18 posted on 08/22/2007 7:43:04 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Not so fast. Who would have thought a few years ago that Bush would have been pushing for a massive amnesty bill with open borders to Mexico?


19 posted on 08/22/2007 7:44:01 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: L98Fiero
Please point to ONE conspiracy theory that has EVER died.

One might recall how beginning in the 1960's, the John Birch Society was promoting the idea that a "master conspiracy" that included many of our top leaders was seeking to bring about a Communist world state. Long after the Soviet empire collapsed, the "Master conspiracy" theory lives on among true-believing Birchers.

20 posted on 08/22/2007 7:44:06 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Red Badger

“They CAN’T die, because there are too many people behind them...”

Well, you have a point there.


21 posted on 08/22/2007 7:44:28 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Kimberly GG

“So many pro-illegal, open borders Bushbots, so little time....”

Oh, and it doesn’t go without notice that many of those same freepers are also Fredheads.


22 posted on 08/22/2007 7:44:36 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Kimberly GG
So many pro-illegal, open borders Bushbots, so little time....

Pay attention to who they're supporting for president.
23 posted on 08/22/2007 7:45:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: elizabetty

I’d be a lot more comfortable if we reverted to English units. The rest of the world would have to retool.


24 posted on 08/22/2007 7:45:09 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: TChris

“Conspiracy theories abound because conspiracies really happen. Not every theory turns out to be a real conspiracy, but some of them do.”

Well said. Thank you.


25 posted on 08/22/2007 7:45:56 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Kimberly GG

You go girl! It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a movement!


26 posted on 08/22/2007 7:45:58 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Now we’re in the mocking and ridicule stage. Down the line when it’s being implemented, the people who oppose it will be labeled as “traitors”.


27 posted on 08/22/2007 7:46:17 AM PDT by jpl (Dear Al Gore: it's 3:00 A.M., do you know where your drug addicted son is?)
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To: Hail Spode
“Giant Corporations” don’t have anywhere near the resources that the federal government does ... corporations are not doing this - the federal government is, and any employee of the federal government at the Senior Executive level and above who are asked about this will of course deny it and ridicule the idea. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and the government has the lawful right to take your income away through its many taxes.
28 posted on 08/22/2007 7:47:07 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: L98Fiero

It’s a CONSPIRACY, I tell ya!...............


29 posted on 08/22/2007 7:47:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: jpl

Just like that amnesty bill.


30 posted on 08/22/2007 7:48:05 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: L98Fiero

Hilliary Care - that conspiracy was killed because it was exposed. Lawsuits were won against the participants, for failure to comply with the “sunshine” laws, I believe.

Nobody worries about it anymore - BTW the people who uncovered that conspiracy were ridiculed as well.


31 posted on 08/22/2007 7:49:07 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A few years ago bush mocked and ridiculed anyone who was concerned about
the invasion of this nation by Illegal Aliens calling them "vigilantes".

Now bush mocks and ridicules anyone concerned about supranational unions
as conspiracy theorists.

We know now that this country has been invaded by over ten million
members of AZTLAN, MEChA and MS-13 murdering more Americans than those lost in Iraq

What does that say about his statement about the destruction of this Republic
and the creation of the North American Union?


32 posted on 08/22/2007 7:49:12 AM PDT by XeniaSt (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: dragonblustar

The Washington Times sees it differently:

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070822/NATION/108220071/1001

I would put more stock on the Washington Times’ reporting that World Net Daily.


33 posted on 08/22/2007 7:50:29 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The President called it a conspiracy and seemed adamant as did the others, there are no such plans for the highway or any highway. I will be looking up to see who is behind the map and story which is old.


34 posted on 08/22/2007 7:50:40 AM PDT by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: jpl

No, he’s pointing out the TRUTH...which is that conspiracy theorists need something to distract them from living in their mothers’ basements once in a while, so they invent conspiracies.


35 posted on 08/22/2007 7:52:15 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by puffing his cigar and staring real hard)
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To: cripplecreek

“Pay attention to who they’re supporting for president.”

No coincidence or surprise there!


36 posted on 08/22/2007 7:52:23 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Fiji Hill
One might recall how beginning in the 1960's, the John Birch Society was promoting the idea that a "master conspiracy" that included many of our top leaders was seeking to bring about a Communist world state. Long after the Soviet empire collapsed, the "Master conspiracy" theory lives on among true-believing Birchers.

Look at Hillary Clinton. She's made many commie statements in the past and still continues to do so.

37 posted on 08/22/2007 7:53:04 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Kimberly GG

Look up the word sophistry...you’ll find your arguement there.

I too can link a lot of semi related nonesense to try and prove a point...it’s a game the whole family can play.

The NAU is a conspiracy theory often sowed in this forum by individuals whose goals are more than just a tad bit questionable...so...hey...let’s drink more Kool Aid and distrust everyone.

Your ability to use sweeping generalizations and other rhetoricle devices is quite good.

Thanks,
Bushbot (for the record I am not pro-illegal, but pro-reasonable legal immigration. I differ with the POTUS on some issues....but I am not a one issue parrot like some.)


38 posted on 08/22/2007 7:54:25 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: DManA
I also noticed he didn’t deny that he’s the Anti-Christ.

I noticed that no one asked him if he was. Tell me, why do you think he didn't just say no?

39 posted on 08/22/2007 7:54:41 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

I watched Bush last night on Fox. He’s pulling the same stunt as he did with the amnesty bill. When he starts to name call his base, you lnow he’s up to something.

I’ve stopped trusting Bush after that amnesty fiasco.


40 posted on 08/22/2007 7:55:43 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: TexasRepublic
I’m amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and what some are trying to say takes place.
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And the wizard said to Dorothy “Ignore the man behind the curtain”.

41 posted on 08/22/2007 7:57:07 AM PDT by CHEE (You don't have to practice to be misreable.)
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To: Ken522

“...corporations are not doing this - the federal government is...”

Who is the federal government? Corporations have been the prime suspect in forcing the illegal immigration issue out of the public eye for so many years and otherwise the biggest lobby for non enforcement of our laws. The political correctness and multicultural movement of the left has been their handmaiden.


42 posted on 08/22/2007 7:58:04 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: dragonblustar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg


43 posted on 08/22/2007 8:00:06 AM PDT by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: RockinRight

Bingo...and this thread is like bait to the right’s tinfoil crowd.


44 posted on 08/22/2007 8:00:12 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: RockinRight; dragonblustar; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

45 posted on 08/22/2007 8:01:34 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: in hoc signo vinces

“I differ with the POTUS on some issues....but I am not a one issue parrot like some.”

If we lose the sovereignty and security of our country, there are no other issues.


46 posted on 08/22/2007 8:02:44 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Bingo...and this thread is like bait to the right’s tinfoil crowd
///////////
sounds like you
re ready to press 2 for english.


47 posted on 08/22/2007 8:04:21 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: L98Fiero

Please point to ONE conspiracy theory that has EVER died.
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The very real problem here is that americans die every day at the hands of illegals.


48 posted on 08/22/2007 8:07:02 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: William Terrell

If he had clearly denied it would you have believed him?


49 posted on 08/22/2007 8:07:53 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RockinRight

sounds like everyone speaks english in your neighborhood.


50 posted on 08/22/2007 8:08:03 AM PDT by ckilmer
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