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Pair who survived tiger attack reportedly withholding photos from police
Mercury News ^ | January 4,2008 | Mercury News

Posted on 01/04/2008 4:58:32 PM PST by repinwi

The two brothers injured in the Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo have refused to let police examine photos on their cell phones that authorities believe were taken the day they were mauled and their friend was killed.

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"We also understand that police officers requested permission from your clients to examine any images and other contents of the cell phone. Your clients refused to cooperate with this request; consequently, no one has yet examined this potentially critical evidence."

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: idiots; tiger; zoo
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Ah Ha! I bet pictures were indeed taken! Get those photos!
1 posted on 01/04/2008 4:58:36 PM PST by repinwi
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To: repinwi

Can they be erased?


2 posted on 01/04/2008 5:03:15 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: repinwi

that should be an easy thing for the cops to get


3 posted on 01/04/2008 5:03:27 PM PST by RDTF
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To: repinwi

Wasn’t there a rumor that they were taunting the animal?


5 posted on 01/04/2008 5:04:20 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Beowulf9

I’m sorry you posted that.


6 posted on 01/04/2008 5:05:34 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: CindyDawg
From the sound of it, the cell phones are in police custody but the brothers have yet to give permission for them to be viewed?

"the cell phones and the car are currently being held by the San Francisco Police Department but have not been searched"

Here's another article which is more detailed.
SF City Attorney Warns Geragos About Tiger Evidence Tampering

7 posted on 01/04/2008 5:08:37 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: CindyDawg; Beowulf9
I’m sorry you posted that.

It's a logical conclusion to draw from the failure of the kids to cooperate.

8 posted on 01/04/2008 5:09:45 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

No


9 posted on 01/04/2008 5:12:06 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Well if you consider an eye witness and police examining a large rock, a tree branch and other items in the tiger enclosure rumor....then I guess so.

S.F. Zoo visitor saw 2 victims of tiger attack teasing lions

Police examining items for signs tiger was taunted

10 posted on 01/04/2008 5:13:55 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: repinwi

Thanks. You would think that they would already have a court order. Da’s have to ask representing lawyers for permission?


11 posted on 01/04/2008 5:14:50 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: repinwi

This story is getting better by the minute...

You mean these punks, AFTER TAUNTING the animal, even TOOK PICS of the action?

Throw em in jail! Oh wait, this is San Francisco...they’ll probably get a parade from PETA.


12 posted on 01/04/2008 5:19:24 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

There has been speculation by many about these idiots taking pictures or using their cell phone to capture video of their visit to the zoo. Maybe even uploading said video to youtube. Now it’s looking like it’s true.


13 posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:01 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: max americana

PETA would want them executed.

There was an animal euthanized over this remember.


14 posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:32 PM PST by Shelayne (...)
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To: repinwi
"In the interests of getting to the real facts of this tragedy, we propose a simultaneous inspection of the car and cell phones by experts retained by your clients and the City Attorney's Office," Herrera wrote.

LOL, that has got to be the biggest grasping a straws letter I have ever heard. LOL,

Not going to happen Herrera!

15 posted on 01/04/2008 5:27:13 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: CindyDawg; yorkie

I am sorry anyone was killed, including the tiger . However I don’t like animal abusers. I don’t want to see them dead but darn it these adults should have known better. They weren’t young kids who you could say didn’t know any better. These guys did. The zoo is at fault for not protecting the tigers better too. They should have had a bigger wall & something up to stop people from throwing stuff at any of their animals. Video cameras should have been in place & the zoo needs guards walking around making sure nothing bad is happening. I still don’t understand why a zoo would be open on Christmas either.


16 posted on 01/04/2008 5:27:19 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: repinwi

Thanks. I saw they got minor fines in 99(?) for food and sanitation? You would have thought they would have looked at the wall too.


17 posted on 01/04/2008 5:29:15 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: CindyDawg

they can easily be erased. If they sent them to anyone that is a different story. There may be a record of it with the cell company.


18 posted on 01/04/2008 5:29:17 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: CindyDawg
Yep! There are very many people who feel that way. And they have shown their sympathy for the death of the tiger by bringing flowers and toy tigers and pictures to the zoo and created a memorial for the tiger after the zoo reopened.

I would have done the same.

19 posted on 01/04/2008 5:30:29 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: pandoraou812

I can’t argue with that. It’s looking more and more like the one that got killed may have been a tag a long . You see that about a witness saying there were 4 of them?


20 posted on 01/04/2008 5:32:10 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: K4Harty

If cell phone memory is anything like computer memory, deleting the image doesn’t necessarily remove the information.

If the phones are in police custody I don’t understand why they can’t get a court order to examine any evidence they might contain.


21 posted on 01/04/2008 5:32:10 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: CindyDawg
Fourth Amendment Law

Fourth Amendment – Search and Seizure

In order to be valid under the Fourth Amendment, a search warrant must, inter alia, "particularly describe the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." U.S. Const. Amend. IV. The purpose of this particularity requirement is to avoid "a general, exploratory rummaging in a person's belongings." Andresen v. Maryland, 427 U.S. 463, 480, 49 L. Ed. 2d 627, 96 S. Ct. 2737 (1976) (internal quotation marks omitted); Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 467, 91 S.Ct. 2022, 2038, 29 L.Ed.2d 564 (1971); see generally Stanford v. Texas, 379 U.S. 476, 481-85, 13 L. Ed. 2d 431, 85 S. Ct. 506 (1965) (describing history and purpose of particularity requirement). A sufficiently particular warrant describes the items to be seized in such a manner that it leaves nothing to the discretion of the officer executing the warrant. See Marron v. United States, 275 U.S. 192, 196, 72 L. Ed. 231, 48 S. Ct. 74 (1927). Although the Court ordinarily would begin its review of the decision of the district court by determining whether it erred in concluding the warrant failed to adequately particularize the items to be seized, the Court need not address that question even if the warrant was invalid where the evidence obtained during the search nevertheless was admissible pursuant to the good faith exception to the exclusionary rule. See United States v

22 posted on 01/04/2008 5:33:19 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

You are forgetting who has possession of the cellphones! As the investigation continues, probable cause and a search warrant is all that’s needed. Stay tuned.


23 posted on 01/04/2008 5:33:55 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: CindyDawg

Taunt a Tiger

Win a Darwin Award


24 posted on 01/04/2008 5:34:10 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Do think I support what is being talked about here, that these young men may have done? Not hardly. Fines. Jail Time yes. Killed by the tiger...no.


25 posted on 01/04/2008 5:34:54 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: PAR35
It's a logical conclusion to draw from the failure of the kids to cooperate.

Hmm, is that the same as saying “If they're innocent, why do they need a lawyer?”

26 posted on 01/04/2008 5:36:10 PM PST by Brujo (Quod volunt, credunt.)
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To: Red_Devil 232; Chieftain

I also can not for the life of me figure out how stupid the Zoo “experts” could have put these rare and beautiful animals in danger and caged up?

and these Zoo experts can not do better than this? i say fire the Zoo director and anyone else who set up these animal displays this stupidly!! I am really upset about this whole story , but the stupidity and lack of proper zoo set up for the animals gets me the most!

What were these zoo experts thinking? If these jerks got that close to the animals, you could easily have someone come in with a weapon and kill the zoo animals.


27 posted on 01/04/2008 5:37:47 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in Philly and Newark!)
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To: K4Harty

The cell phones and the car are currently being held by the San Francisco Police Department but have not been searched, according to Herrera.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/14982701/detail.html


28 posted on 01/04/2008 5:38:16 PM PST by stlnative
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To: repinwi
probable cause and a search warrant is all that’s needed.

This is over with all the speculation based on rummer and gossip. And no fact! The boys might have done something and they might have just been at the wrong place at the wrong time.

29 posted on 01/04/2008 5:38:56 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: trumandogz

^^^^


30 posted on 01/04/2008 5:42:01 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The San Francisco Zoo’s tiger ‘grotto’ was built in the 1940’s. It is hard to call the zoo negligible for a moat wall that has successfully worked for nearly 70 years


31 posted on 01/04/2008 5:42:20 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: CindyDawg

Don’t forget, we’re talking about San Fransicko -— the city that allows and celebrates homosexual sex acts on the public streets under police protection during an event each year called the Fulton Street Fair...

It’s really tough to get prosecuted for peculiar crimes.... in that city where peculiar is normal...


32 posted on 01/04/2008 5:45:23 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Sherman Logan
See #28 the phones are already in police custody.

If the pic id deleted off the phone it is gone. Same with the/a simcard or memory stick. It's not like a computer where there is a kernel that could be data mined to recover it.

33 posted on 01/04/2008 5:46:46 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
There were statements to that effect, but no evidence has been brought forward.

An unsubstantiated statement is simply a guess.

Now this is not a guess ~ the zoo had a responsibility to make sure the animals could not readily escape.

34 posted on 01/04/2008 5:46:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CindyDawg

See # 24


35 posted on 01/04/2008 5:47:43 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: muawiyah

You are so right.

I do not understand those who switch responsibility for the escape from the zoo to those who got chewed on.

“Taunting” the tiger might make give her more incentive to get at them. This is irrelevant to the prime issue: The zoo’s responsibility is to keep the animals away from the customers no matter how badly the animals want out.

If the guys in question behaved badly, they should be punished appropriately, but it doesn’t mitigate the zoo’s screwup in the least.


36 posted on 01/04/2008 5:52:33 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: PAR35
If you haven't noticed there has been no official statement to the effect that the victims are not cooperating.

Could that possibly be on account of their having cooperated ~ maybe to the extent they've "Framed" the tiger~!!!!!

Oh the horror!!!!!

37 posted on 01/04/2008 5:53:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: K4Harty
If the pic id deleted off the phone it is gone. Same with the/a simcard or memory stick.

Pardon my ignorance.

Is this the same type of memory as a Compact Flash card in a digital camera? Because I've recovered "deleted" images from them successfully.

38 posted on 01/04/2008 5:54:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: repinwi

BTW, they just had a period of high winds up and down the California coast. No surprise to find some limbs and stuff inside the enclosures.


39 posted on 01/04/2008 5:54:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Did you catch that the zoo director was paid over 300k per year, not including benefits?


40 posted on 01/04/2008 5:55:50 PM PST by Professional
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To: repinwi

The police can’t get a warrant to “search” the cell phones? If the creeps are refusing to allow it, there is surely something they want hidden on those phones. Perhaps even more than Tatiana evidence.

I think they committed murder by tiger, perhaps dangling Carlos the Deceased over the tiger wall by his ankles.


41 posted on 01/04/2008 5:58:38 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: CindyDawg
The Lion Witness (what a name) said 4 at the LION cage, not at the TIGER cage.

And ONE OF THEM IS COMPLETELY MISSING.

One does pray they've done a total post mortem on that tiger!

What the Lion Witness has done is attempt to demonstrate that SHE WAS THERE. That means she was at risk of being eaten by a tiger. That means she can sue. That means this is in California. That means they'll have to sell some animals to an exotic butcher shop to pay the bills.

42 posted on 01/04/2008 6:00:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sherman Logan
I see 3 sides here. The zoo is completely at fault, the boys are completely at fault/ nothing would have happened if the cat had been left alone, and that the zoo should have kept her in, but if taunting, the young men share responsibility too. We kind of know where most stand.

I am just looking for "new" news. The camera, the 4th boy, the branch, toxicolgy report... This investigation seems to be moving so slllllllowwwwww.

43 posted on 01/04/2008 6:00:49 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: CindyDawg

I heard that they are saying there were 4 people. Since Mark Geragos is now their lawyer I figure something stinks.


44 posted on 01/04/2008 6:02:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: muawiyah

What more do you need? The police and the DA have said the 2 are NOT cooperating. “Official statement” has been made.


45 posted on 01/04/2008 6:03:20 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: Veto!

Were these kids in gangs?


46 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:16 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: muawiyah

Yeah, rocks and limbs fly through the air.


47 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:22 PM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: stlnative

huh?


48 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:38 PM PST by RDTF
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To: muawiyah

I thought of 1 missing but if there were 4 and they didn’t know he was ok, wouldn’t you think someone would ask” where’s_____?


49 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:56 PM PST by CindyDawg (.)
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To: repinwi
No warrant shall issue, blah, blah, blah ~ probable cause.

If the prosecutor doesn't have a reason for the search ......

The mere non-cooperation by the owners of the cellphones in the absence of probable cause is not a crime.

50 posted on 01/04/2008 6:05:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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