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The Most Hated Company In the PC Industry
Earthweb ^ | 1/4/2008 | Mike Elgan

Posted on 01/05/2008 5:51:16 AM PST by twntaipan

Who in the *** is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than any other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing hate them?

And why does Intel love them?

Taiwan's Asustek -- better known as ASUS -- is one of the most interesting, innovative and fastest-growing companies in technology.

At its core, Asustek makes motherboards -- more than any other company. Asustek motherboards are the heart of Sony's PlayStation 2 consoles, Apple MacBooks, Alienware PCs, and some HP computers.

But that's not why they're hated. The source of ire is a tiny laptop called the ASUS Eee PC. This open, flexible, relatively powerful, and very small laptop is notable for one feature above all: It's price. The Eee PC can be had for as little as $299. (Go here to read the reviews -- they're all positive.)

Let's take a moment to ponder how cheap that is. This full-featured laptop costs $69 less than the 16 GB Apple iPod Touch. It's $100 less than an Amazon Kindle e-book reader. The most expensive configuration for the ASUS Eee PC on Amazon.com is $499.

Even though ASUS isn't a well-known consumer brand, and even though the company just started selling them in late 2007, the company expects to sell up to a half million units by March, and up to 5 million by 2009.

The reason Microsoft hates Asustek couldn't be more obvious. The Eee PC runs Linux (Xandros running KDE) and uses an appealing and innovative tabbed-based user interface developed by Asustek. The device also comes with OpenOffice, a Microsoft Office replacement, and Firefox. The entire system -- hardware, OS, office suite and applications -- costs $30 less than Amazon.com's discounted price for Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate alone. The Asus Eee PC is demonstrating to the world that its success depends on aggressively *avoiding* any Microsoft product.

Apple and Dell hate Asustek because these companies have been planning for quite a while to introduce flash storage-based mini laptops. But by the time they get around to shipping, the ASUS Eee PC will have already gobbled up some of the market. Worse, the ASUS Eee PC is preemptively poisoning the well by applying enormous price pressure on these two companies.

In truth, Apple isn't all that concerned because they'll do what they do, and the masses will respond. But poor Dell. That company's flash-based mini-laptop will probably cost five times as much as the ASUS. It will be 10% better and 500% more expensive than the ASUS Eee PC. Good luck with that, Dell!

Palm, Inc. hates Asustek because the company has made a fool out of them. Palm announced in May its Foleo mini-laptop. The device was slightly bigger than the ASUS Eee PC, but less capable and twice the price. The Foleo focused on connecting to the Internet through Palm's own line of giant cell phones. While many think Palm "killed" the Foleo, they in fact only killed the idea of shipping with a Linux-based OS.

In his blog announcement, Palm's CEO vowed to come back with a Foleo-like device that runs the same proprietary OS that powers Palm's next-generation of cell phones. By the time Palm gets around to shipping something, the market will be saturated with millions of ASUS Eee PCs on the low end, and thousands of Apple and Dell units on the high end.

Meanwhile, Intel loves Asustek. The ASUS Eee PC is powered by -- you guessed it! -- an Intel processor, namely the 900 MHz Intel Celeron-M. More than that, Intel respects Asustek for its engineering prowess. Intel discovered this fact when the company was struggling in the 1990s to fix a range of design flaws in its own 486 motherboard prototypes. Asustek was able to fix it, and in fact already had a fully operational motherboard for the chipset before Intel did. Since then, the companies have been very close.

Now rumors are circulating that a new Intel Merom-based ASUS Eee PC that may ship as early as April will run so efficiently that it won't need a fan. The entire laptop will be solid state -- no moving parts. Intel loves that kind of thing.

There's no question about it -- Asustek is the most hated company in the industry. Microsoft, Apple, Dell and Palm hate Asustek because the company can give us something they can't: A super cheap, flexible, powerful mobile computer. At $299, why would anyone not buy one?


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Interesting take on the eeePC and Asus.
1 posted on 01/05/2008 5:51:18 AM PST by twntaipan
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To: twntaipan

[...core, Asustek makes motherboards — more than any other company. Asustek motherboards...]

Mother McCree!


2 posted on 01/05/2008 5:53:50 AM PST by kindred ( The front runners of GOP are big governement anti freedom social liberals;like dems.)
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To: twntaipan

(Go here to read the reviews — they’re all positive.)

usually are in sales pitch’s


3 posted on 01/05/2008 5:53:58 AM PST by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: twntaipan

> The Most Hated Company In the PC Industry

Is Microsoft.

ASUS is angelic by comparison.

I have products from both.
I am likely to buy more ASUS products.
I would like to NEVER buy any more MafiaSoft products.


4 posted on 01/05/2008 5:55:26 AM PST by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: twntaipan

A good advertisement disguised as a review.


5 posted on 01/05/2008 5:55:49 AM PST by em2vn
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To: twntaipan
"The entire laptop will be solid state -- no moving parts."
6 posted on 01/05/2008 5:59:02 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Kind of like my brother-in-law.


7 posted on 01/05/2008 6:00:43 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: twntaipan; Ernest_at_the_Beach
But wait, there's more.

The eeePC is the new Iphone.

8 posted on 01/05/2008 6:02:53 AM PST by Dysart
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To: twntaipan

ping for later after everyone chimes in . . . .


9 posted on 01/05/2008 6:08:25 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose panda hippo gnu deer)
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To: twntaipan


ASUS 90OA02AC0004111U105Q Eee PC 2G Surf 7" Micro Notebook - Sky Blue
Intel Mobile CPU / 512MB / 2GB flash drive / 802.11b/g / 10/100 LAN / Memory Card Reader / Intel UMA graphics / Linux operating system / 2lbs

J&R 299.99

Newegg 299.99
10 posted on 01/05/2008 6:10:18 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: twntaipan
Intel discovered this fact when the company was struggling in the 1990s to fix a range of design flaws in its own 486 motherboard prototypes. Asustek was able to fix it, and in fact already had a fully operational motherboard for the chipset before Intel did. Since then, the companies have been very close.

My company went through that and survived. We built tons of PCs. And everyone of them had an ASUS motherboard and an Intel processor.

Wonderful, reliable products.

11 posted on 01/05/2008 6:10:46 AM PST by upchuck (Attention Senator Clinton: Lying Is Stupid When The Truth Is So Easy To Find)
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To: twntaipan

As someone who builds their own computers I can tell you that Asus system boards are some of the best boards I have ever worked with. They are very reliable and come with great utilities.

Although I own a licensed copy of Vista Ultimate I still run Windows XP since well...it just works...


12 posted on 01/05/2008 6:11:06 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: Squantos

Ping!


13 posted on 01/05/2008 6:13:19 AM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: TomGuy

I was just wondering where the $299 price came from. Amazon doesn’t have the $299 models. Reviews at Amazon (for all models they sell) are either 4 or 5 stars.


14 posted on 01/05/2008 6:13:49 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: twntaipan

I have an Asrock 939 Dual motherboard. It has an AGP and a PCI Express slot for video. Sweet board.


15 posted on 01/05/2008 6:13:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: upchuck

I have a friend who had an Asus notebook...old one...bought in 2000. He was still getting parts for it and able to get it serviced after 5 years (in Hong Kong), at which time he bought another Asus notebook.


16 posted on 01/05/2008 6:15:50 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: twntaipan

Neww Egg, Pc Club and others have them for $299.


17 posted on 01/05/2008 6:16:44 AM PST by Dysart
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To: twntaipan; Squantos; hiredhand; sit-rep

And this is bad for consumers....how?


18 posted on 01/05/2008 6:17:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Dysart

-w


19 posted on 01/05/2008 6:17:23 AM PST by Dysart
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To: twntaipan
I have used ASUS motherboards for years and would NOT use anything else. I have read all the reviews and I have NEVER had any problem with any of my Homebuilt PC’s. Just built my Son a ‘Striker Extreme’ system that he is running maxed out setting on all the latest ‘vidiot’ games. I have NOT seen this new laptop, but trust ASUS above all others. I will knock their Customer Support, however I think that it’s very strong possibility ‘Customer Support’ is a term of the past everywhere!!! They do have a great Forum page where I find all my information anyway.
20 posted on 01/05/2008 6:18:36 AM PST by PushinTin
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To: twntaipan

I will probably buy one. I’ve used Ubuntu before and I’m running Firefox now. I prefer Firefox to IE. Also have the Open Office.


21 posted on 01/05/2008 6:19:37 AM PST by BipolarBob (I've been stung by honey bees and bumblebees. I don't want no huckle bee.)
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To: Larry Lucido
"And this is bad for consumers....how?"

It does not have an - i - in front of the name.

22 posted on 01/05/2008 6:20:55 AM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Larry Lucido
I really don't think it is bad for consumers.

For a long time most computer users have assumed that Microsoft and Windows was the only choice for computing. That has, of course, kept prices artificially high.

What Asus has done is leverage their expertise with a free OS, and thus broken the grip of Microsoft.

The eeePC could be "the tipping point", and a very disruptive technology.

23 posted on 01/05/2008 6:21:40 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: twntaipan

“The reason Microsoft hates Asustek couldn’t be more obvious. The Eee PC runs Linux (Xandros running KDE) and uses an appealing and innovative tabbed-based user interface developed by Asustek. The device also comes with OpenOffice, a Microsoft Office replacement, and Firefox. The entire system — hardware, OS, office suite and applications — costs $30 less than Amazon.com’s discounted price for Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate alone. The Asus Eee PC is demonstrating to the world that its success depends on aggressively *avoiding* any Microsoft product....

In truth, Apple isn’t all that concerned because they’ll do what they do, and the masses will respond. But poor Dell. That company’s flash-based mini-laptop will probably cost five times as much as the ASUS. It will be 10% better and 500% more expensive than the ASUS Eee PC. Good luck with that, Dell! “

I love how this article tries to paint some universal “hate” for the eeePC based on some really lame reasoning. Then as usual plays defense for Apple by saying “Oh, well Apple so cool that when they copy these guys, were not even going to care about this thing anymore, But Dell is soooo screwed!”. Im sure the eeePC people just love being seen as a placeholder until the Apple wonder-coporation can give the author permission to ignore them.

The truth is that this PC will be running both Linux and Windows, actually they both are already running on it. Its success is based on the fact that it is cheap not because “
its success depends on aggressively *avoiding* any Microsoft product”.

Love the eeePC. This article is however more of a puff propaganda piece against MS and Dell and for Apple and Linux, which just diminishes how great this computer is and will be.


24 posted on 01/05/2008 6:22:52 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Swordmaker; antiRepublicrat

At its core, Asustek makes motherboards — more than any other company. Asustek motherboards are the heart of Sony’s PlayStation 2 consoles, Apple MacBooks, Alienware PCs, and some HP computers.


25 posted on 01/05/2008 6:26:08 AM PST by dennisw
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To: twntaipan
I use ASUS MoBo’s Exclusively in every box I build. I have never had one ounce of problems with them and they have all preformed as advertised or better. I want a look at one of these badly. If ASUS lives up to its rep these will be worth the cash and then some....
26 posted on 01/05/2008 6:29:03 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Dysart
ASUSTeK Computer Inc 2357.TW (Taipei) 5 yr chart


27 posted on 01/05/2008 6:31:40 AM PST by Dysart
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To: twntaipan
I love ASUS. The PC I am using was built from an ASUS motherboard, and it has been running trouble-free for about 5 years now.

The ASUS laptop I really want is the U1F, but I can't spend that much money, and I really don't need it. Hence, I will soon own an Eee PC.

Now that the fanless Merom version is coming, probably with a bigger flash drive, I'm anxiously awaiting it. Gotta save those pennies.

28 posted on 01/05/2008 6:32:17 AM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Swordmaker; antiRepublicrat

I would think this Taiwanese genius and fix-it prowess extends out into today with a new Intel/Apple/Asus collaboration on desktop and laptop mother boards-——>>>>

Meanwhile, Intel loves Asustek. The ASUS Eee PC is powered by — you guessed it! — an Intel processor, namely the 900 MHz Intel Celeron-M. More than that, Intel respects Asustek for its engineering prowess. Intel discovered this fact when the company was struggling in the 1990s to fix a range of design flaws in its own 486 motherboard prototypes. Asustek was able to fix it, and in fact already had a fully operational motherboard for the chipset before Intel did. Since then, the companies have been very close.


29 posted on 01/05/2008 6:32:30 AM PST by dennisw
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To: PushinTin
‘Customer Support’ is a term of the past everywhere

I've had good luck with Linksys support, even though it's based out of India.

30 posted on 01/05/2008 6:33:34 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: kindred

BTT


31 posted on 01/05/2008 6:34:09 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: Sender
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32 posted on 01/05/2008 6:39:47 AM PST by dennisw
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To: twntaipan

I have an ASUS Striker Extreme for about a year now. Finest Motherboard I’ve ever worked with.


33 posted on 01/05/2008 6:41:01 AM PST by kress
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To: twntaipan

New Egg has them for $299 and up


34 posted on 01/05/2008 6:42:25 AM PST by dennisw
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To: MikeWUSAF

Quick question - if I buy one of these laptops, can I load Windows XP onto it?

I run Firefox, but I prefer Word as a document program to the Sun Open Office program and I prepare many documents in my occupation. So, I’m comfortable with Windows XP. I’m just not that tech savvy when it comes to computers.

Please advise.


35 posted on 01/05/2008 6:50:53 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: upchuck

What does this say about large U.S. companies that play games with the ChiComs and are willing to sacrifice Taiwan?


36 posted on 01/05/2008 6:55:54 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: dennisw
Will this run MS Office programs, etc.? I know nothing about these things other then my son will need a laptop for college next year and seeing how he has lost/damaged/destroyed just about everything else we have ever bought for him or he bought himself, $300 seems reasonable to try as opposed to $700 or $1000
37 posted on 01/05/2008 6:56:14 AM PST by 4everontheRight ("Boy, those French: They have a different word for everything! "- Steve Martin)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Quick question - if I buy one of these laptops, can I load Windows XP onto it?

I run Firefox, but I prefer Word as a document program to the Sun Open Office program and I prepare many documents in my occupation. So, I’m comfortable with Windows XP. I’m just not that tech savvy when it comes to computers.

Please advise.

Not all the time
Today's' laptops have devices on them that only some will work on XP
I love XP but recently bought a Vista laptop
I added some memory to it and I will deal with Vista. 2gb memory is what Vista needs at minimum
At least $40 of what I paid is for the Vista license and I intend to make full use of it

I have Office 2000 w Word and am sure I can load it on Vista.
Freepmail me for sure

38 posted on 01/05/2008 7:04:40 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

You and I seem to have the same questions...I linked over to Newegg.com and read some of the reviews and it seems several people were running XP on their systems and a few upgraded rams, etc. for better use and it didn’t void the warranty.


39 posted on 01/05/2008 7:06:27 AM PST by 4everontheRight ("Boy, those French: They have a different word for everything! "- Steve Martin)
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To: anyone

What about other software? Most programs say they are Windows or Windows/Mac compatible. Will they run on this machine? My camera software, my publishing program, etc.


40 posted on 01/05/2008 7:08:12 AM PST by Proud 2BeTexan
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To: twntaipan

Mini-laptops as a concept just plain do not excite me. Maybe it’s because I’m 38 and the eyes don’t work so good anymore, but when I’m told 7” screen I think unusable over the long haul.


41 posted on 01/05/2008 7:09:32 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: twntaipan
ASUS rewrote the rules for a portable notebook at a mass market price. The eeePC won't win any power user awards but it gets the job done with a solid Linux operating system on board and it looks cool. A desktop version is coming out this year. No more Windows Vista bloat.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

42 posted on 01/05/2008 7:10:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 4everontheRight

If you are going to run XP and/or Office, you need to get the 8GB version of this to handle the M$ bloatware. The smaller versions won’t work.

Also, beware of putting older versions of M$ Office on anything...apparently M$ just pushed an update that breaks compatability of .doc files from older versions of Office.


43 posted on 01/05/2008 7:13:42 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Yes - you can load Windows XP on it. But the default OS is so nice and the custom interface is so intuitive people will probably keep the ASUS branded Xandros version. No more blue screen of death.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

44 posted on 01/05/2008 7:15:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: twntaipan
Asus, disruptor set to stun. Asus doesn’t play by the rules, they see the whole world collapsing to computing appliances running free software and they plan on building them. That’s why they keep Intel close.

Once the price point is set, it can’t be changed upwards, only down. ASUS, it’s the purple people eater of chips run by Moore’s law, the chip consumes everything.

45 posted on 01/05/2008 7:15:29 AM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: PushinTin

I’m with you. Have tried them all, will only buy ASUS anymore.


46 posted on 01/05/2008 7:18:17 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: twntaipan
This reminds me of the old Timex Sinclair:

About the same size too.

47 posted on 01/05/2008 7:18:25 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Tarpon

Valid take!


48 posted on 01/05/2008 7:21:05 AM PST by dennisw
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To: twntaipan

Never had a problem with Asus motherboards...solid as a rock....

So they built a better mousetrap..this is wrong ?...as for the companies that hate them? well, rats never did like mousetraps....


49 posted on 01/05/2008 7:22:08 AM PST by billmor
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To: Larry Lucido; twntaipan; Squantos; sit-rep
Whenever Microslut hates something, I think of it just the same as when the leftists hate something... meaning that it's almost probably a GOOD thing! :-)

I looked at the specs on the unit. It looks like it might be a decent little unit! My daughter has been in the market for something like this, and maybe she'll pick one up. If she does, I'll be sure and give a detailed report of what we think about it.
50 posted on 01/05/2008 7:22:22 AM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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