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A Vote Against McCain = A Hillary White House ZOT!

Posted on 01/20/2008 12:17:49 PM PST by kelly.s

As much as I prefer Rudy Giuliani for President, I just can't fathom voting against McCain and giving the White House to Hillary. Hopefully, most Republicans will see the lesser of two evils when casting their vote.

How 'bout a Giuliani/McCain ticket (or vice versa) for Pres. & VP? Think Independents would come on board?

I don't mean to sound like a desperate Republican, but sometimes you've just gotta call it like it is. :o)


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1 posted on 01/20/2008 12:17:50 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: kelly.s
Giuliani/McCain ticket

That would REALLY motivate the base...not.

2 posted on 01/20/2008 12:19:44 PM PST by Rush4U
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To: kelly.s

This ought to be interesting.


3 posted on 01/20/2008 12:19:44 PM PST by andyandval
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To: kelly.s

Got asbestos?


4 posted on 01/20/2008 12:19:47 PM PST by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: kelly.s

Normally I hold your view, but in the case of McCain v Hillary, I see both as damaging the country just about equally.


5 posted on 01/20/2008 12:20:11 PM PST by umgud
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To: kelly.s

I’d rather give my vote to Fred or Romney. Remaining true to the Conservative Ideals instead of selling out.


6 posted on 01/20/2008 12:20:29 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: kelly.s
As much as I prefer Rudy Giuliani for President,

Sounds like you might as well vote for Hillary. (Just telling it like it is)
7 posted on 01/20/2008 12:20:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: kelly.s

I had to wait until I was done throwing up.

I am not voting for ugly in the GOP anymore, ugly with no principle is not what I can stand.

Go Mitt.


8 posted on 01/20/2008 12:20:39 PM PST by dforest (Since principles no longer matter in the GOP, I am voting for the best looking!)
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To: kelly.s

And if Hillary loses to McCain, she can always run as a Republican next time.


9 posted on 01/20/2008 12:21:34 PM PST by Mojave
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To: kelly.s
McCain sucks!

I can't say it enough.

10 posted on 01/20/2008 12:21:51 PM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: kelly.s

You know, sometimes folks got to see how bad it gets beefore they know they even need a cure. Think Jimmuh “the dumb” Carter.

The lack of a national leader for conservatives for so long has been bad. In Florida I voted for the RINO, and all I got was this “stop global warming” tee shirt. Don’t need two.


11 posted on 01/20/2008 12:21:58 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: Mojave

lol. true... she’ll out-republican him by a mile next cycle.


12 posted on 01/20/2008 12:22:31 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: kelly.s

FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.

During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.

I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America’s armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.

Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment — all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.

Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to “fix” this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.

For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn’t shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn’t say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.

During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.

As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government’s attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee’s report).

As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.

Don’t be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his “laziness.” As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today’s and tomorrow’s issues.

I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates’ views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.

Please help Fred win in 2008:
https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791


13 posted on 01/20/2008 12:23:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: kelly.s

Romney will be a much, much more formidable opponent than McCain.

Seriously. He’s on a roll:

Romney has already won three times.
Romney is so far ahead in delagates, he’s got almost double his nearest competitor.
Romney is nice. People like him. And frankly, women find him attractive - and I’ve seen a number of (FR) women right here on these boards, saying they’ll vote for Romney, pretty much just for that reason.
He’s got strengths which play directly against democrats.

If hillary is the nominee - Romney makes strong inroads into hillary’s otherwise lock, on “soccer moms”.

If Osama-bama is the nominee - Osama-bama’s religious ambivalence is (way) more unsettling to voters, than Romney’s faith.

And Edwards just ain’t happening.

Way I see it, Romney wins the election.

January 21 2009: Mitt Romney takes office. And Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, still won’t be able to do ... squat.


14 posted on 01/20/2008 12:23:40 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (So-called free trade advocates = "China Firsters")
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To: kelly.s

8 more years of clintons in the white house? Is that what those who say they will stay home really want? You g uys really want a repeat of clinton scandals, higher taxes, soft on terrorists?


15 posted on 01/20/2008 12:25:15 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: kelly.s

“How ‘bout a Giuliani/McCain ticket (or vice versa) for Pres. & VP?”

What’s your DU screen name?


16 posted on 01/20/2008 12:25:45 PM PST by indcons
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To: kelly.s
We can hamstring Hitlery, except for judicial nominees. and hopefully there wont be any from the SCOTUS

McCain will sell us down the river and get a lot "accomplished", mostly bad stuff; defacto amnesty, more CFR, global warming reg.,maybe gun control, "moderate" judges, and so on. No thanks, never. NEVER. Hes already shown his tue colors.

17 posted on 01/20/2008 12:25:51 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: umgud

I’ve come to a very similar conclusion. And if the nation is going to take a mind-numbing hit out of this next election, I’d rather the Dims get the ultimate blame for it.


18 posted on 01/20/2008 12:26:08 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: Rush4U
Yeah, but a Hillary candidacy might motivate the base to vote against her.
19 posted on 01/20/2008 12:26:25 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: psjones
Is that what those who say they will stay home really want?

She's a one termer. For sure.

20 posted on 01/20/2008 12:27:10 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Rush4U
Dealbreaker. I won't be voting for an anti-conservative. A republican anti-conservative would do more damage than a liberal who has to negotiate with conservatives. McCain will do more than sell out conservatives--he HATES conservatives. He'll work actively against us--and how do we form an opposition to a Republican? It'd be easier to go against a liberal.

Just look at the damage McCain's already done.

If he gets the nom, and Fred and Rudy are likely to swing their support to McCain--it's all over for the Reagan coalition.

21 posted on 01/20/2008 12:27:30 PM PST by Mamzelle (Maybe Hillary ISN'T worse than McCain)
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To: willgolfforfood

I can’t believe what I’m reading here.


22 posted on 01/20/2008 12:27:41 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (So-called free trade advocates = "China Firsters")
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To: USNBandit

I’m afraid if Hillary wins the nomination she will choose Obama as her running mate. Any thoughts on that? I can see a hillary/obama ticket getting their base motivated.
I don’t care much for some of the republican candidates, but I’ll take any of them over hillary.


23 posted on 01/20/2008 12:28:32 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: Nonstatist

I agree. One term of Hillary and the GOP might just pull their heads out of their collective butts and remember what they stand for.


24 posted on 01/20/2008 12:28:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: cripplecreek

This is madness.


25 posted on 01/20/2008 12:29:15 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (So-called free trade advocates = "China Firsters")
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To: indcons

swatted yourself a live one. lol


26 posted on 01/20/2008 12:29:39 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: kelly.s
A Vote Against McCain = A Hillary White House

Gets my vote for the absolute dumbest statement ever posted on FreeRepublic!

GEEZE what are these people thinking?

27 posted on 01/20/2008 12:30:09 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t be so sure it would be that easy to have hillary for just one term. I’m sure a lot of people thought they’d be able to get rid of bill after 4 years.


28 posted on 01/20/2008 12:30:27 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: kelly.s
A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary/Obama. McCain is a sure loser. His baggage is enormous. Although MSM has given him a pass so far, will side with Hillary and they will attack his poor mental and physical condition, his lack of moral values, his radical amnesty agenda. Who wants someone in the White House who might go ballistic?

His wife Cindy - the other woman with baggage of her own - is not what most Americans hope of the First Lady and will be a constant reminder of his adultery and the cruel way he betrayed his first wife.

29 posted on 01/20/2008 12:30:47 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Mamzelle

I agree. McCain is not really a conservative, but one of those old democrats.


30 posted on 01/20/2008 12:30:58 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: kelly.s
How 'bout a Giuliani/McCain ticket (or vice versa) for Pres. & VP? Think Independents would come on board?

Giuliana/McCain. You have lost every marble in the bag. Rooty-toot AND Juan? Makes me wonder what the hell is going on here with this election. We have FR posters suggesting Rooty and Juan. At least with the media you know you are being backstabbed...

(just today on CNN)

McCain(1st), Huckabee(2nd), Romney (4th), and Giuliani(6th), but not a damn word about Fred Thompson(3rd).

Same with FOX. Right now Rooty has been on live for about 11 minutes. This morning CNN had Rooty on live for about 30 minutes. I have been sitting here at work watching the FOX and CNN monitors and today, ALL DAY, there has been less than 3 minutes TOTAL for Fred Thompson on the two COMBINED.

Tell you the truth I have royally had it with the media, my observations of it here clearly indicate that there is an agenda to blackout Fred and Promote the liberal RINO's

BTW, all the time I have been typing this, CNN STILL has Julie-Annie on live in FL. It has been about 18 minutes now.

If this nation sinks because of a thinly-veiled communist Presidency we can look squarely to the liberal DBM.

31 posted on 01/20/2008 12:32:01 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: kelly.s
How 'bout a Giuliani/McCain ticket (or vice versa) for Pres. & VP? Think Independents would come on board?

I've been listening to you moderates try to tell me for the past year that only a moderate can beat Hillary Clinton. It looks like you're about to see if your plan works - good luck with that - I predict it's going to be a massive failure.

P.S. The only reason McCain won in South Carolina is because he got the votes of Independents - not for the reason you probably think - but because they are trying to mess up the Republican Party's chances to win.

32 posted on 01/20/2008 12:35:11 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: kelly.s; All

Let’s not all be so pessimistic. While I’m still devastated with Duncan Hunter dropping out yesterday, there are still other candidates (other than McCain) that may have a chance.

While I know there are TONS of Romney haters here on FR, he seems to have a decent platform, from what I’ve seen. Or even the Huckster may be OK.

Whoever we get, we will be settling, that’s for sure. But the McCain nomination is not a foregone conclusion as of yet!


33 posted on 01/20/2008 12:35:18 PM PST by Joann37
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To: Joann37
I’m leaning towards Romney. I believe he’ll at least LISTEN to our side of things, were he elected president. McCain would completely ignore us, and who knows what Huck would do.
34 posted on 01/20/2008 12:38:38 PM PST by Rush4U
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To: kelly.s
Yes, your commentary might be right should McCain make it to the general, but I doubt that he will make it past Super Tuesday. Florida will damage him and the rest will be the back breaker.

McCain could go to convention and negotiate for the nomination, but he would be defeated if he did.

I think the latter may be the most likely scenario.

If he even looks like the nominee, The third party ticket will siphon off so many republican votes that Billary would waltz into the White House without a sweat or a plurality of the vote. Just like her husband did.

35 posted on 01/20/2008 12:42:49 PM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Cinnamon

Without a doubt, Cinnamon, but my original point assumes that Fred or Romney won’t make it to the nomination.


36 posted on 01/20/2008 12:43:53 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: indylindy

:o)

Yeah, I’m been feeling ill quite a bit lately myself.


37 posted on 01/20/2008 12:43:53 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: psjones

No way, NEVER!

This is WHY I decided to post this topic today...


38 posted on 01/20/2008 12:43:53 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: Nonstatist

...and one term is way too long...


39 posted on 01/20/2008 12:43:53 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: Mamzelle

Yes, unfortunately, the Reagan coalition seems to be spiraling downward, gosh! What horrible predicament!


40 posted on 01/20/2008 12:44:35 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Ummm...which part?


41 posted on 01/20/2008 12:44:35 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: kelly.s
mcLame is Hillary in drag. McLame wins the nomination i am sitting this one out. I promised myself that I would never ever support McLame for anything. My reason: He sold out the conservative movement over and over again!
42 posted on 01/20/2008 12:44:54 PM PST by avant_garde
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To: kelly.s
RINO Senators for Amnesty:

Sen. John McCain

Sen. Lindsey Graham
[Graham up for re-election November 4, 2008]

Sen. Jon Kyl

Sen. Arlen Specter

Sen. Mel Martinez

43 posted on 01/20/2008 12:51:50 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: psjones

Yes, I heard about the possible Clinton/Obama ticket...just this past week. Hillary’s no dummy.

And I agree, I’ll take ANY republican candidate over Hillary...and I still don’t feel like I’d be selling out.

I just like something in all the Repub candidates, well, ok maybe not so much McCain-—uh, let me think, well, alright, the surge is working.

It would be nice if all the good qualities in the candidates could be rolled up into one candidate.

Hey, I can still dream, you know! :o)


44 posted on 01/20/2008 12:55:20 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: Bigun

I’m thinking, whether I like it or not, that John McCain just MAY wind up being the Republican nominee!


45 posted on 01/20/2008 12:55:32 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: psjones

Exactly. Makes no sense to be overconfident anymore.


46 posted on 01/20/2008 12:55:32 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: Dante3

I never said I was a McCain fan.


47 posted on 01/20/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by kelly.s
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To: kelly.s

There are 2 potential major outcomes of this election that will destroy conservatism in this country forever:

1. The continued toleration, if not complete embrace, of illegal immigration, resulting in millions of additional Democrat voters.

2. The appointment of at least 2, maybe 3 Supreme Court justices to replace Stevens and Ginsberg, and possibly Scalia.

If Hillary, Obama or McCain are elected President, conservate movement is doomed.


48 posted on 01/20/2008 12:56:57 PM PST by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infested with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: Joann37
We Romney supporters would welcome any and all who come to the party. It's not easy selling Mitt as a Conservative for the simple fact that he hails from the most liberal State in the union, and this is where most of his detractors find ammunition against him, largely provided by the most liberal newspaper on the planet called the Boston Globe.

The Globe hates Romney for good reason. he changed the dynamics in Massachusetts to the dismay of the liberal establishment and made them all look silly.

Sure, you can find a few quotes from the campaign against Teddy Kennedy, but it must be understood that the environment in Massachusetts does not make it easy for a conservative to thrive. In fact, just the opposite.

Romney is indeed a traditional conservative. He has proved this time and time again with his actions and most of his rhetoric. He has the energy and drive to be great president, and if you plus that up with his acumen for organization and management, it makes him a very strong candidate.

Social conservatives are not all in opposition to him, and those who are may be doing so for the wrong reasoning, but it is possible to get the majority of them on his side by the time of the general election, so he can unite the party. He can be the nominee.

And he can beat Billary or Obama in a head to head, if he gets that needed support from the rest of the factions. Assuming of course, that Bloomberg and his money stay out of the Independent candidacy. He will stay out if McCain crashes. Those votes will largely go to Mitt.

49 posted on 01/20/2008 12:59:25 PM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: kelly.s

A vote for McCLoon or Tooty Fruity Rooty....you get Hitlery. Even if McLame or Rudy were elected, you get the Clinton agenda without voting for it.


50 posted on 01/20/2008 12:59:43 PM PST by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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