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Which group is more ... focused: Bush-haters, or McCain-haters? :)

Posted on 03/22/2008 8:42:44 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Just saying:

Seems more and more, like there's not a whole lot of behavioral difference between those on one side of the aisle who see everything through the prism of hating Bush,...

And those on one side of the aisle who see everything through the prism of hating John McCain.

Please. Stop attacking the Republican.


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1 posted on 03/22/2008 8:42:45 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We McCain haters are far more focused.


2 posted on 03/22/2008 8:44:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I don’t hate McCain. I just can’t vote for him. And please, don’t start spamming me with the McCainiac arguments. I can respond quite effectively to each and every one of them, as I have in past postings.


3 posted on 03/22/2008 8:44:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Please. Stop attacking the Republican.

Okay. I agree. Republicans can be whatever they want.

But.

Don't dare call them conservatives. Ever.

Call them what they are - liberal lite.

4 posted on 03/22/2008 8:46:10 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

McCain is a Republican? Coulda fooled me. There’s not much daylight between McCain and the official Democrat party platform.


5 posted on 03/22/2008 8:47:04 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: raybbr

I don’t see anything noble in NOT VOTING.

In fact, quite the contrary.

There comes a time when one must face reality. Either Dem as POTUS would be a disaster.


6 posted on 03/22/2008 8:47:43 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Content Provider

You are misinformed.


7 posted on 03/22/2008 8:47:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You must be suffering from PVDS - Pointless Vanity Derangement Syndrome ;)


8 posted on 03/22/2008 8:48:20 AM PDT by indcons
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To: JaneNC
I don’t see anything noble in NOT VOTING.

Who's not voting?

9 posted on 03/22/2008 8:48:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: bert

Am I?

Remember that old “Who said it: Gore or the Unabomber?” quiz?

Would you like to play “Whose policy is it: McCain or the Democrat Party?”


10 posted on 03/22/2008 8:49:08 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Content Provider

OH there is a difference.

He won’t raise taxes and he does not deny the reality of Islamic Jihad and he won’t cut and run in Iraq.


11 posted on 03/22/2008 8:49:46 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: JaneNC
I don’t see anything noble in NOT VOTING.

Who said anything about not voting?

See, this is where the debate gets ruined. I take a position about the position of the GOP and you assume I am not going to vote.

12 posted on 03/22/2008 8:49:52 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: JaneNC
I don’t see anything noble in NOT VOTING.

Oh I'll be voting but I'll be exercising my right to write in any conservative name I wish.
13 posted on 03/22/2008 8:50:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Remember sore loserman.....

There are alive and well here every day. They are still in denial after losing.


14 posted on 03/22/2008 8:50:02 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Stop attacking the Republican.

I just point out his many liberal characteristics. If you view that as an attack, I guess that's just too darn bad.

15 posted on 03/22/2008 8:50:12 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: JaneNC
He won’t raise taxes and he does not deny the reality of Islamic Jihad and he won’t cut and run in Iraq.

First, I don't buy that he won't raise taxes. Second, Iraq is the only thing that the GOP, as a national party, has going for it that it can call conservative. Everything else is either a mirror of the dems or a compromise.

When will the GOP force the dems into compromise? Ever?

16 posted on 03/22/2008 8:52:12 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: JaneNC; raybbr
We can toss the "does not deny the reality of Islamic Jihad" in the hopeful but false illusions bin as well.

John McCain armed Kosovo Islamic terrorists

17 posted on 03/22/2008 8:54:19 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: raybbr
When will the GOP force the dems into compromise? Ever?

Why would they? GOP politicians are just as enamored with power as their Democrat counterparts. That's why they seek to always expand the size and scope of government. And furthermore, solving the problems only take them off the table at election time. Better to never solve anything so that you can use it to rile up the base.

The state of DC politics is an utter joke.

18 posted on 03/22/2008 8:55:16 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Content Provider

Well, then you should go ahead and vote for the communists, either directly or indirectly.

Then you won’t have to concern youself about daylight.


19 posted on 03/22/2008 8:55:31 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: G Larry

Funny that you mention the Communists.

In the USSR, “voting” was done with a ballot with one name on it.

In the USA, “voting” is now done with a ballot with two names on it, both of whom will have virtually identical policies.

Begs the question of who really won the Cold War.


20 posted on 03/22/2008 8:57:59 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: raybbr

Apparently you haven’t been paying attention for the last two years.

The stalwart republicans have wiped the floor with Reid and his minions. Pelosi has nothing to show but a minimum wage raised to a level already surpassed by inflation.

Your whining has no basis.


21 posted on 03/22/2008 8:58:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Content Provider

No, but it does call into question your powers of observation.


22 posted on 03/22/2008 9:01:27 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: Content Provider

You are so far off the historical base it is amazing.

American thought is closely bunched around a percieved middle. The way to win any ground is to capture the middle. The extremist right has been pushed aside. The gains in the middle will offset the minor loss.

The extreme left on the other hand will destroy the Rats. If it does not prevail, it will burn the place down.

The right will be wounded but able to fight another day. The left will be crippled for a long time.


23 posted on 03/22/2008 9:02:41 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Please. Stop attacking the Republican.”

Show me one first!


24 posted on 03/22/2008 9:03:30 AM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `Rí next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I plan to vote for him, but I’m not happy about it.


25 posted on 03/22/2008 9:05:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: cripplecreek

Both McPain and the Rats support open borders.


26 posted on 03/22/2008 9:06:06 AM PDT by johna61
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To: JaneNC

“I don’t see anything noble in NOT VOTING.”

Most of us ARE voting. For any conservative that we can find down-ticket. We do not vote for liberals, even if they have an “R” next to their name.


27 posted on 03/22/2008 9:06:12 AM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `Rí next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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To: Content Provider

“Would you like to play “Whose policy is it: McCain or the Democrat Party?”

Now THAT sounds fun!


28 posted on 03/22/2008 9:07:01 AM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `Rí next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You win the most stupid vanity of the month. Vanity haters are the most right.


29 posted on 03/22/2008 9:08:02 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Never accept the mark of the Hillary beast)
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To: JaneNC

“He won’t raise taxes”

Google McCain Liebermann and prepare for some heavy disappointment.

“he does not deny the reality of Islamic Jihad”

Google McCain and Kosovo, then McCain and GITMO then McCain and waterboarding

“he won’t cut and run in Iraq.”

What was the main excuse used for invading that nation?


30 posted on 03/22/2008 9:09:36 AM PDT by Grunthor (Electing people with an `Rí next to their name is NOT more important than principle)
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To: bert

The 2006 election results blow that theory out of the water. The GOP moved left (towards your “perceived middle”) and got wrecked, as those who want to vote for a Democrat prefer the real thing.

The most successful GOP President in a generation - arguably the only successful one since Ike - did not “move to the middle”. He moved the entire country to his point of view, and was an unapologetic conservative.

What you are describing is called “triangulation”, “pandering”, “poll-driven politics” and the like. If finding that to be unacceptable makes me part of the “extremist right”, then I’ll proudly wear the label.


31 posted on 03/22/2008 9:11:47 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: bert
Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))

Reference your tagline...You can pour maple syrup over a pile of steaming cow crap put I'm still not going to buy it.

32 posted on 03/22/2008 9:16:28 AM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I just don’t like McLame, I don’t hate him though. I just won’t vote for a backstabbing, Juan Hernandez hiring, too far left RINO.

I will be voting on election day,I will write in a candidate and vote down ticket.

Suits me fine.


33 posted on 03/22/2008 9:21:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Content Provider
McCain is a Republican? Coulda fooled me.

Whether we like it or not, "very conservative" voters (who tend to frequent Free Republic) are nowhere near a majority in either the Republican Party nor in the United States of America.

Never were. Never will be.

Expecting the 5.2% tail to wag the dog in every single Presidential election is simply not reality.

Sometimes you have to choose between merely "right-of-center" or "God DAMN America" or throwing your vote away by writing in "Ronald Reagan" or whatever non-viable conservative candidate most floats your boat.

"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." ..... Benjamin Franklin

The Weekly Standard .... Take a glance at Gallup Organization surveys. In 2007, self-identified Republicans were about 28 percent of the mass electorate, self-identified Democrats were about 32 percent, and self-identified independents were about 39 percent. Fifty-five percent of Republicans self-identified as "conservative," 26 percent as "moderate," and 13 percent as "very conservative." ......... Now, do the simple math. "Very conservative" Republicans are only about 3.6 percent--28 percent times 13 percent--of the mass electorate. If that just seems too low, consult the American National Election Studies (ANES) and add the 12 percent of independents who lean Republican to the 12 percent who are self-described "weak Republicans" and the 16 percent who are self-described "strong Republicans." This sums to 40 percent of the mass electorate. But that still means just 5.2 percent of all voters (40 percent times 13 percent) qualify as "very conservative" Republicans.

34 posted on 03/22/2008 9:22:09 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Socialist haters are the most focused since they can’t stand either Bush or McCain.


35 posted on 03/22/2008 9:24:25 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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I told you it’s not amnesty!


36 posted on 03/22/2008 9:30:50 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: raybbr; JaneNC
We gain nothing by having B. HUSSEIN Obama or Hellery in the White house; on the contrary, we'll probably wind up with the House and the Senate under DemCom control as weel if it looks like either of those two are getting in.

Then we'll have at the least Four (4) years of HELL that we'll have to try to recover from. Do you all remember the damage that the Klintonistas caused?? We're STILL paying for the damage they've done, now. By my reading of the Constitution and US Criminal Code, Der Schlickmeister and his wife should be in JAIL for treason. You want rampant, male-hating, gun-hating, run-amok Feminazi bulldykes rampaging through the White House and government power centers, go ahead and vote Hellery, or stay home. Either way, we get the HBIC (head bitch in charge).

You want a radical, gun-hating, black nationalist racist, backed up by every Black Panther, Islamofreak PAC, and commie/socialist with a pipe bomb and a cause, in the White House, controlling our military and law enforcement, go ahead and vote for B. HUSSEIN Obama, or stay home. Either way, you'll get him and his “G-D America” preacher, and all those clapping, cheering folks in the background. Anyone out here from Philly? Remember Mayor Thug Street's proclamation - “The Bruthas and sistas are in charge now! The Bruthus and sistas are in charge now!”

Yeah...they were in charge, all right...and Philly is sooooo much better off for it, isn't it?

As a matter of fact, the NEW Mayor, Brutha Nutter, brought in a little Fascist thug from DC as the new police chief, who, openly and unabashedly on his radio talk show, said that he CLEARLY would take away law-abiding citizens' right to own and carry concealed firearms for their own personal protection in the city, if he could (unfortunately for HIM, we have a strong State Premption law that prevents him from doing this). THAT's what we get when the DemComs get in control.

I understand McCain is a RINO. But I also think that he will make a much better President than either the closet racist or the open, hostile socialist. And I believe that if he wins, we'll at LEAST have gridlock in Congress, which protects us overall - when they start “coming together in a bipartisan manner” WE THE PEOPLE get F**ed. Always.

So that's the choices we have, and it is reality. The Next Reagan isn't going to come riding in from the sunrise to hold the GOP together anytime soon. WE must do that. WE are the base. And we must hold our party's feet to the fire when they bail on us, and then RUTHLESSLY throw them to the dogs and replace them with real Conservatives when we can.

Third parties are not an option - they give power to the DemComs. Ross Perot and EVERY “conservative” who pulled the lever for him TWICE gave us the Klintonista Regime.

Funny...we're all so full of answers out here...why don't any of us get out into the Political Arena and MAKE it change? The “collective” widom and conservative political acumen that we all seem to possess goes NOWHERE unless we're in the driver's seat.

For myself, I know I wouldnt last three months in politics. I would be jailed for assault and battery.

But TELL me there aren't many amongst us out here in Freep land that are savvy, politically, legally, financially, that can enter the fray and put OUR ideas forth, push OUR agenda, and OUR principles onto the center stage??

Unless and until we do that, all this chatter is just...chatter.

At least McCain is out there, and will take the brunt of our displeasure. I know all the arguements against him - believe me, I am no fan of his - being a strict Second Amendment rights and Constitutionalist, he is NO friend to me. However, I do believe that he will leave the “status quo” intact so as not to turn his base against him, and againt the Party. I do NOT think he will work with the DemComs against us on that issue, and I KNOW that he will not cut and run against the Islamofreaks.

We do NOT have another viable option. Ron Paul will NOT carry it. Neither will Huckabee, and our other wishful thinking “conservative saviors” QUIT on us.

It isn't pretty, but it IS reality, and we need to deal with it.

Let the DemComs self-destruct...let THEM tear each other up, exposing who the REAL racists are and always have been, let THEM spend THEIR war chests, beating each other into the ground. I love to see it - it's far past the time for it, and it makes for good cinema! The Alien Media Nation CAN'T ignore it, no matter how hard they try. We're our own worst enemy, and the REAL enemy is salivating at our in-fighting.

One team, one fight - or we lose, more than we can imagine.

37 posted on 03/22/2008 9:32:33 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: Polybius

Right-of-center would be a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. I am not demanding all or nothing.

Show me a right-of-center candidate, and I’ll show you a candidate who won’t be on the ballot this November.


38 posted on 03/22/2008 9:32:47 AM PDT by Content Provider
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I had to!
39 posted on 03/22/2008 9:36:10 AM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’m positive we McCain dislikers (I don’t really “hate” him...yet) are far more focused. Bush-haters are mere amateurs.

Then again, I’m a CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican. I see no need to support someone whose philosophy is aligned with (D)s just because they might be working under the (R) designation.


40 posted on 03/22/2008 9:37:10 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: JaneNC
"Either Dem as POTUS would be a disaster."

I agree. Obama, Clinton or McCain are all three likely to be a disaster, regardless of the superficial letter (R or D) after their names.

41 posted on 03/22/2008 9:39:00 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: JaneNC

You mean, he won’t do those things unless polls make it favorable to do so. Like immigration, 2nd Amendment issues, 1st Amendment issues, and on and on. Sorry, Jane, you can keep him. I don’t want him.


42 posted on 03/22/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Content Provider
In the USA, “voting” is now done with a ballot with two names on it, ...

When you debate, try sticking to the truth instead making up claims that everybody that has ever put a Number 2 pencil to a Presidential ballot knows is Bravo Sierra.

You see that name "Ralph Nader" on the 2000 Election Florida ballot? Fourth down on the left hand side?

He recieved 97,488 votes from left-wingers in Florida who thought that Al Gore was not "liberal enough" for them.

Bush won Florida's Electoral Votes by only 543 popular votes. Florida's Electoral Votes were the votes that put George W. Bush in the White House.

To say that there are "only two choices" is an outright falsehood.

To say that throwing your vote away in a temper tantrum never matters is also an outright falsehood.

Instead of whining and making up lies that "only two names are allowed on U.S. ballots", maybe you should be trying to be convincing your neighbors with Obama bumper stickers that the candidate on the ballot that most reflects your views has a political philosophy that they should be voting for.

Once you convince enough American voters of that, you can actually WIN.

43 posted on 03/22/2008 9:41:05 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: bert
The extremist right has been pushed aside.

You don't agree with them, therefore they're "extremist".

Nice.

44 posted on 03/22/2008 9:41:59 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Grunthor
"Most of us ARE voting. For any conservative that we can find down-ticket. We do not vote for liberals, even if they have an “R” next to their name."

Bump!!

45 posted on 03/22/2008 9:44:02 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Polybius
To say that there are "only two choices" is an outright falsehood.

To say that throwing your vote away in a temper tantrum never matters is also an outright falsehood.

These two statements are mutually exclusive. Either I have only two choices on the ballot, or voting for a third choice is not "throwing my vote away".

In a practical sense, there will be only two choices who have any prayer of winning - this appears to be part of your argument and it is an assertion I agree with.

Instead of whining and making up lies that "only two names are allowed on U.S. ballots", maybe you should be trying to be convincing your neighbors with Obama bumper stickers that the candidate on the ballot that most reflects your views has a political philosophy that they should be voting for.

Once you convince enough American voters of that, you can actually WIN.

I've been making that argument for many, many years. Only to find my arguments undermined by the GOP itself. Once the GOP went sufficiently far left, those same exact arguments make the case not to vote GOP either.

I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to convince enough American voters when what I thought was my own party decides they agree with the Democrats' agenda.

Support of McCain is nothing short of total capitulation to the Democrat agenda. On issue after issue, he is closer to the Democrats than he is to the GOP platform.

46 posted on 03/22/2008 9:47:17 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Polybius

Interestingly enough - The ballot contains:
“Socialist Workers” party
“Green” Party
“Socialist” Party
“Workers World” Party

All good, loyal, communist Democrat party subgroups with EXACTLY the same goals.


47 posted on 03/22/2008 9:48:08 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: JaneNC

Jane,

Regardless of who wins in November, we will not pull out of Iraq.

Obama and Hillary and the Dems in general are screaming for a pullout to make the GOP and Bush look bad by having a loss in the GOP column. If we are still there in Jan 2009, we will be there for at least 4 more years.

What you see from the Dems is pure political theater.


48 posted on 03/22/2008 9:55:50 AM PDT by Harvey105
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

49 posted on 03/22/2008 10:00:34 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Content Provider
Right-of-center would be a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. I am not demanding all or nothing. Show me a right-of-center candidate, and I’ll show you a candidate who won’t be on the ballot this November.

Maybe our perception of where America's center line is differs.

Out here in my corner of the Left Coast, anybody with a Dennis Kucinick sign on his front lawn is considered "middle of the road". I am considered a "Fascist".

50 posted on 03/22/2008 10:01:13 AM PDT by Polybius
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