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Davis' bicentennial eclipsed by Lincoln
The Kentucky Kernel ^ | 3/28/08 | Jill Laster

Posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway

Over the last few months, celebrations for Abraham Lincoln's 200th birthday have drawn attention to the Kentucky native's life and his legacy as president. But the 200-year anniversary of another Kentucky president's birth, Confederate President Jefferson Davis, is receiving mixed reviews.

"I'll say it this way - winners write history," said Ron Bryant, a Lexington historian writing a book on Davis. "We need heroes, we need villains. Lincoln became a hero and Davis a villain."

Davis was born in what is now Todd County, Ky., in 1808, one year before Lincoln. Davis served as the only president of the 11 southern states that seceded from the Union between 1861 and 1865. The Confederate States of America surrendered in 1865, and Davis was locked in prison the same year.

Despite being denounced by many civil rights groups, signs of Davis' legacy can still be found throughout the state.

In Southwest Kentucky, a structure resembling the Washington Monument stands in memory of Davis. At 351 feet tall, the Jefferson Davis Monument is the fourth largest freestanding obelisk in the world, according to Kentucky State Parks.

Although Kentucky never seceded from the Union, a statue of Davis stands in the rotunda in the state's Capitol building.

"The Civil War is still very much alive in many places," said Cliff Howard, a Jefferson Davis impersonator. "Kentucky was on both sides of the fence. It still is."

Having heard of Kentucky's reputation for "being a little backward," integrated strategic communications senior James Davidson Jr. was not surprised about Davis' statue in the Capitol building.

Davidson, first-vice president of UK's chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said a statue of Davis leaves a bad impression.

"What is Frankfort saying to the rest of Kentucky with it being there?" Davidson said. "I respect everyone's heritage and Southern tradition, but given the history, I think it shouldn't be there."

The statue of Davis, installed in 1936, is one of five statues in the Capitol building. Lincoln is the largest in the center, and Davis stands in the corner behind his right shoulder. Former Kentucky Congressman Henry Clay, physician and drafter of the state constitution Ephraim McDowell and former Vice President Alben Barkley also stand in the rotunda.

The last time Davis' statue came into debate was 2003, when a coalition of African-American groups protested its presence in the Capitol building. A state advisory committee left the issue up to former Gov. Ernie Fletcher, who took no action during his term.

Gov. Steve Beshear does not plan to remove the statue because Davis is a historical figure who represents part of Kentucky's cultural history, a spokeswoman said.

Student Government President Nick Phelps said his feelings on the statue in the Capitol building resembled how he felt during a controversy two years ago about a 46-foot mural in Memorial Hall depicting the history of Lexington and its surrounding area. The mural, which some said stereotyped American Indians and blacks, was not removed.

"I was not in support of removing the mural, so I would not support removing Jefferson Davis," Phelps said. "I don't think we should remove history. I think it removes the question, 'Who is he?' "

Many students might ask the same question about Davis.

In Kentucky, the Civil War is part of the middle school curriculum. Unless students take an advanced placement history course in high school, that's usually the last time they focus on 19th century American history, said Nayasha Owens-Morton, a U.S. history and African-American history teacher at Bryan Station Traditional High School.

William Campbell has taught a class on Lincoln at UK for about 10 years as an English and honors professor. Students going into his class know little about the confederate president, he said.

"About Jefferson Davis, Kentuckians tend to know that he was from our state, that there's a memorial dedicated to him somewhere in the state, and that he was the president of the Confederacy," Campbell said. "Of Lincoln's writings, most have read only the Gettysburg Address. Of Davis's writings, most have read nothing."


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To: stand watie

Oops, almost guilty of my own criticism. I assure you that it was an oversight, not intentional. You may be a hypocrite who posts about someone behind their back, but I have more class than that.

Too bad you’ve painted yourself into a corner where you can’t debate openly and honestly.

FreeRepublic from bigoted morons like swattie!


601 posted on 05/02/2008 8:43:08 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: All
i note that the TWO "nameless,shunned, ones" are STILL posting to me more than 6 weeks after i told BOTH DYs that i would NEITHER read NOR respond to their LIES, STUPIDITY, BIGOTRY & swinish,VULGARITY.

talk about "brain-DEAD" & "has NO life".

laughing AT the two name-LESS ones, as MOST Freepers here do.

free dixie,sw

602 posted on 05/02/2008 10:46:58 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Thank you for backing up my assertions with actual bigoted posts. You prove my point with every additional outburst.

FreeRepublic from liberal morons like swattie!


603 posted on 05/02/2008 11:40:41 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: stand watie
Knock it off and stop saying Freepers are on vacation simply due to the fact they have not spoken to you in while.

Now when are going going to surrender?

604 posted on 05/03/2008 6:45:13 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola
"mr. spin", you never fail to be a DELIGHT, to those of us who favor TRUTH over DAMNyankee propaganda, bigotry & arrogant ignorance.

did you bother to read what you posted in #604 or shall we all just laugh at your incomprehensible last sentence???

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

605 posted on 05/03/2008 6:52:21 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

swattie, it is readily apparent that you have assiduously avoided the truth your entire life. You live in a state of denial and delusion. You parade that delusion for the delight and amusement of others!

FreeRepublic from ignoramuses like swattie!


606 posted on 05/03/2008 8:22:57 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr
Greetings Rock.

The Lost Cause losers would rather slither around in their failed past of inciting a horrific civil war, coupled with dreaming about a slave based existence, while longing for 'the good old days' of segregationist hate, when they forced others to walk in the gutter, instead of casting of the failed, disgraced past, and begin focusing on the enemies of all Americans, both domestic & foreign.

Our enemies; the blood thirsty, jihadist serial killers and crazed communist scum suckers, desire to slaughter all of us, if allowed, including backward, neo-confederate, crackpots still fighting a their own twisted private war against fellow Americans.

It's beyond sick.

607 posted on 05/03/2008 8:32:48 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: stand watie
Capitan Stand you always did bring out the worst typing in everyone! LOL.

If you really want to review wacky ranting that truly is incomprehensible plus really insane - read the rubbish you wrote ----> 'DAMNyankee propaganda, bigotry & arrogant ignorance".

With that same worn out nonsense you always mean the vast majority of Americans, who would totally disagree with the ridiculous bulk you peddle about fighting the American Civil War all over again, in relation to today's enemies, who could care less what you, nor I, or any American believes, just as long as they can target US.

608 posted on 05/03/2008 8:49:05 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola
don't you know that most everyone here laughs AT you.

free dixie,sw

609 posted on 05/03/2008 8:50:28 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: M. Espinola

With most nearly anyone else one could chalk it up to “cognitive dissonance” but since swattie lacks the cognitive, the rest is just.....dense!


610 posted on 05/03/2008 8:52:46 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr
Well stated!.

The one in question is not content unless triggering verbal battles over imbecilic foolishness, which only he continues harping on & on.

611 posted on 05/03/2008 8:59:59 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola

So I take it that you haven’t been “treated” to his imbecilic shunning silliness? It’s a hoot. He denies himself the ability to directly respond to me (and others) in favor of a bizarre “I’m not seeing you” game wherein he fools himself into magically detecting a post, but supposedly not reading it.

Right!

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he has turned all his mirrors to the wall because he got tired of arguing with them! ;’}


612 posted on 05/03/2008 9:08:39 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: M. Espinola
"--- the vast majority of Americans,----" ====> in other words you believe that the majority of Americans are IGNORANT enough "to buy into" the NONSENSE that the DAMNyankee bigots/fools/nitwits/"useful idiots" (i.e.,the 10-15% of northerners who HATE the southland & southerners) profess to believe???

are you REALLY that "out of touch with " REALITY???

laughing AT you & the other members of "the DAMNyankee coven", as MOST intelligent FReepers do.

free dixie,sw

613 posted on 05/03/2008 9:28:38 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: rockrr

His last post reveals that not only does he realize his ignorance, but that he revels in it. Pathetic...


614 posted on 05/05/2008 10:15:43 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: ArizonaJosie
you might want to check out post #590 of this thread.

free dixie,sw

615 posted on 05/10/2008 6:45:54 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie; ArizonaJosie

Yes AJ, I would heed swattie’s threat. He is a cowardly sniveling little back-stabber who delights in getting others to do his dirtywork.

Be careful in how do deal with him, and don’t ever turn your back on him...


616 posted on 05/10/2008 8:47:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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